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Please post your list of the top 20 fighters of the past 30 years without bias:

KBB wrote:Please post your list of the top 20 fighters of the past 30 years without bias:

Good topic!!!!
I will have to give this some hard thought

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

While I can respect your list because I know it's your own but I'm not sure how one could have Tyson ahead of SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Hopkins, Floyd or Manny. I'm sure you have your reasons.

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Did you forget JMM?

KBB wrote:While I can respect your list because I know it's your own but I'm not sure how one could have Tyson ahead of SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Hopkins, Floyd or Manny. I'm sure you have your reasons.

maybe it's the last 30 years part, which means what they did after july of 85, which cancels out
most of the best things srl, hagler, hearns and duran did. floyd and manny accomplished a lot
especially as far as acquiring abc's but floyd in particular avoided the best guys when those fights
were there to be made, and that isn't just about the one guy you are obsessed with, so he definitely
belongs behind the youngest guy to win and unify the heavyweight title.

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Nice list. I'd maybe switch Hopkins and have RJJr and Pacquaio in there instead given the amazing accomplishments in coming through the weight classes which i rank higher than longevity. Marquez certainly deserves q spot too, probably top 10, although i'm maybe bias since he's my favorite fighter since The Louisville Lip. And speaking of whom, your list reminds me of just how much i rank Ali & Ray Rob ahead of all the rest.

sucracristo wrote:

KBB wrote:While I can respect your list because I know it's your own but I'm not sure how one could have Tyson ahead of SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Hopkins, Floyd or Manny. I'm sure you have your reasons.

maybe it's the last 30 years part, which means what they did after july of 85, which cancels out
most of the best things srl, hagler, hearns and duran did. floyd and manny accomplished a lot
especially as far as acquiring abc's but floyd in particular avoided the best guys when those fights
were there to be made, and that isn't just about the one guy you are obsessed with, so he definitely
belongs behind the youngest guy to win and unify the heavyweight title.

Notice I didn't make this post out to be about Floyd, I just stated ATG for the last 30 years, you are here to single out Mayweather. It isn't about what they did within that last 30 years but it's about who they were. Everything that SRL and the rest did prior counts, if they were active within that last 30 years then they deserve credit for what they did prior as well.

You claiming Floyd avoided the best guys with no proof whatsoever other than to come here and muddy the water on this topic has no bearing on my topic.

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao/Brut
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Fixed.

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Lennox Lewis on the top? Are you serious?

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roberto Duran
3. Ray Leonard
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Larry Holmes
7. Marvin Hagler
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Roy Jones Jr.
14. Thomas Hearns
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Kostya Tszyu
17. James Toney
18. Vitali Klitchko
19. Andre Ward
20. Erik Morales
21. Aaron Pryor
22. Felix Trinidad
23. Marco Antonio Barrera
24. Shane Mosley
25. Mike Tyson
26. Joe Calzaghe
27. Wladimir Klitchko
28. Winky Wright
29. Oscar Delahoya
30. Alexis Arguello

Boxing Writer wrote:

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Lennox Lewis on the top? Are you serious?

I agree.. I think Lewis is the best HW of the past 30 years, with Holmes being a close second.. But can't put Lewis at #1 overall.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Lennox Lewis
7. Pernell Whitaker
8. Wladimir Klitchko
9. Oscar De la hoya
10. Mike Tyson
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Shane Mosley
13. Joe Calzaghe
14. James Toney
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Kostya Tszyu
17. Marco Antonio Barrera
18. Vitali Klitchko
19. Andre Ward
20. Erik Morales
21. Ronald Wright
22. Felix Trinidad
23. Azumah Nelson
24. Ricky Hatton
25. Carl Froch
26. Naseem Hamed
27. Mike McCallum
28. Michael Nunn
29. Eubank/Benn
30.Israel Vasquez/Rafael Marquez

SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Arguello, Prior, Holmes all left out as they did their best stuff before 85 otherwise the list looks very different at the top end.

Just posted my list and I already disagree with it

sucracristo wrote:

KBB wrote:While I can respect your list because I know it's your own but I'm not sure how one could have Tyson ahead of SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Hopkins, Floyd or Manny. I'm sure you have your reasons.

maybe it's the last 30 years part, which means what they did after july of 85, which cancels out
most of the best things srl, hagler, hearns and duran did. floyd and manny accomplished a lot
especially as far as acquiring abc's but floyd in particular avoided the best guys when those fights
were there to be made, and that isn't just about the one guy you are obsessed with, so he definitely
belongs behind the youngest guy to win and unify the heavyweight title.

Mayweather has A WAY superior record than Tyson, that is ludicrous.

The best fighters on Tyson's record that he beat, were an inactive Larry Holmes, a great light heavyweight, but far from Great heavyweight champ in Spinks, and Trevor Berbick.

If you're going to be critical of Floyd, then apply the same critique to Tyson. That's one of the most stupid lists I've ever seen.

NateJR wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roberto Duran
3. Ray Leonard
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Larry Holmes
7. Marvin Hagler
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Julio Cesar Chavez
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Roy Jones Jr.
14. Thomas Hearns
15. Juan Manuel Marquez
16. Kostya Tszyu
17. James Toney
18. Vitali Klitchko
19. Andre Ward
20. Erik Morales
21. Aaron Pryor
22. Felix Trinidad
23. Marco Antonio Barrera
24. Shane Mosley
25. Mike Tyson
26. Joe Calzaghe
27. Wladimir Klitchko
28. Winky Wright
29. Oscar Delahoya
30. Alexis Arguello

Good call on Hearns, he often seems to get left out of the PFP discussions, but he won titles from Welterweight to Light heavyweight, and destroyed Roberto Duran, to name just two of his achievements. I'd possibly rate Jones higher, given how long his period of dominance was, and the win at Heavyweight too, DLH surely should be higher too. Still, all subjective, and this doesn't seem a biased list.

How is it that no one has Khaosai Galaxy on their lists?

floyd
SRL
duran
pacquiao
delahoya
withaker
tyson
roy jones
lewis
hopkins
hearns
holyfield
barrera
morales
wladimir
mclelland
toney
eubank
marquez
benn

OK, I don't like those types of lists since I think it's hard to compare fighters even from close eras, but I'll post my top-10 here too:

1. Ray Leonard
2. Roberto Duran
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Larry Holmes
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Bernard Hopkins
7. Evander Holyfield (yes, P4P I rank him higher than Lewis or Wlad)
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Roy Jones
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Juan Manuel Marquez

After top-11 I have really hard time raking others greats in order, but there would be a group of Ricardo Lopez, Lennox, Chavez, Tyson, Toney, Barrera, Trinidad, ODLH, Mosley, Michael Spinks and some others. As for Klitschkos, I won't rank Wlad untill his legacy is complete, and Vitali shouldn't be ranked in top-20 because of his poor resume. Sure he had some good wins (Sanders, Hide, even Peter), and lost only by injuries/cuts in the fights he was winning against very good/great fighters, and I know some people doesn't consider his losses to Byrd and Lewis as "real losses", but they aren't wins either. So his list of wins is too poor to rank him in top-20 or even top-30. H2H he and Bowe and guys like Tszyu, who also had pretty poor resume, should be ranked much higher, but we are talking about accomplishments, aren't we?

Edit: Just read my post and have problems with it already If we rank guys like Larry Holmes and Roberto Duran, who made their legacies mostly prior to 1985, then we should include guys like Foreman, Arguello, Prior, Benitez and some others. In that case it would be hard for me to rank even top-10 in order. That's why I hate those types of lists.

No Galaxy or Finito Lopez? Probably due to a lot of people on here only starting to watch boxing within the last 10 years. You simply can't have an ATG list of the last 30 years without those 2 on there.

The boxing news did an article this week for the last 25 years it's a good read with a couple of not so obvious choices in there like Michael moorer and Darius michalczewski

Top 10
1 Roy jones
2 Floyd
3 Manny
4 Hopkins
5 Lennox Lewis
6 Ricardo Lopez
7 pernell Whitaker
8 Julio Caesar Chavez
9 Juan Manuel Marquez
10 Holyfield

Buy the mag to see the rest

1. Floyd mayweather jr.
2. Roy jones jr.
3. Bernard hopkins
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Oscar de la Hoya
6. Manny pacquiao
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Sung-kil moon
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Terry Norris
12. Marco Antonio Barrera
13. Rafael Marquez
14. Juan Manuel Marquez
15. Shane Mosley
16. Julio Cesar Chavez
17. Naseem hamed
18. Azumah Nelson
19. Joe Calzaghe
20. Jung-koo Chang

Leonard has no place on this list.
If we start this from 1985 until now. Leonard was 3-3-1
With that draw being a loss admitted by himself.
Yes leonard was an atg but his body of work post 1985.
Is not worthy to make this list.

Boxing Writer wrote:

Cent0089 wrote:1. Lennox Lewis
2. Mike Tyson
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Julio Caesar Chavez sr.
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Floyd Mayweather/Manny Pacquiao
8. Roberto Duran
9. Marvin Hagler
10. Roy Jones jr
11. George Foreman
12. Larry Holmes
13. Wladimir Klitschko
14. Oscar de la Hoya
15. Thomas Hearns
16. Andre Ward
17. Riddick Bowe
18. Kostya Tszyu
19. Felix Trinidad
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Joe Calzaghe
22. James Toney
23. Nigel Benn/Carl Froch/Chris Eubank
24. Shane Mosley/Ronald Wright
25. Ray Mercer

Lennox Lewis on the top? Are you serious?

I wouldn't have Lewis in the top 15 myself ,I really can't see any case at all for him being above Floyd,Roy Jones,JCC

I thought it was interesting that Freddie Roach said if Roy Jones Jr.quit after his heavyweight belt he would be considered GOAT.

I'm his prime I do think he was the best I've seen.