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With his return and a possible win against Tamas Kovacs next month, can Greeny compete with today's top cruiserweights and cruiserweight champions???

I think he'd get knocked out by all the major champions--Huck, Lebedev, Hernandez, and Drozd. I also suspect that contenders like Makabu, Kudryashov, and Chahkhiev (IBO champ) would beat him too, with a good chance of stoppages.

Shumenov and Flores aren't on the same level as these guys though in my view, and I believe they're fighting for a WBA subsidiary belt, so perhaps aiming for the winner is the way to go if he wants some people (not most knowledgeable boxing fans) to call him a world champion again. However, given his age and time out of the ring he may not even be on that level anymore.

No, he's too old now. He's not really a CW either

A few years ago he was in the mix. With the lay off and not being a proper cruiser anyway i think not.

Does anyone think he still has a shot at light heavy weight?
I think if it wasnt for the lay off then he would have been a legit world champ by now. He would definitely have beaten the then wba champion shumenov in my opinion. And maybe even stood with kovalev? He was strong at light heavy, reasonable speed and had never looked like being hurt.

GilFilmore wrote:With his return and a possible win against Tamas Kovacs next month, can Greeny compete with today's top cruiserweights and cruiserweight champions???

I don't think he could at 42. But i don't think that's what his comeback is about.

scottearley123456 wrote:A few years ago he was in the mix. With the lay off and not being a proper cruiser anyway i think not.

Does anyone think he still has a shot at light heavy weight?
I think if it wasnt for the lay off then he would have been a legit world champ by now. He would definitely have beaten the then wba champion shumenov in my opinion. And maybe even stood with kovalev? He was strong at light heavy, reasonable speed and had never looked like being hurt.

Years ago I wouldn't have written him off against Stevenson or Kovalev, though I'd pick both over him even then, but I can't see him beating either now and I suspect that he'd take bad beatings if he tried.

crusader wrote:

scottearley123456 wrote:A few years ago he was in the mix. With the lay off and not being a proper cruiser anyway i think not.

Does anyone think he still has a shot at light heavy weight?
I think if it wasnt for the lay off then he would have been a legit world champ by now. He would definitely have beaten the then wba champion shumenov in my opinion. And maybe even stood with kovalev? He was strong at light heavy, reasonable speed and had never looked like being hurt.

Years ago I wouldn't have written him off against Stevenson or Kovalev, though I'd pick both over him even then, but I can't see him beating either now and I suspect that he'd take bad beatings if he tried.

As we saw, Green fell short against very good level oposition in Tarver and Wlodarczyk. 3 years out of it and now 42 I hardly think he will have improved.

No.

The straight answer would be no.

The champions at the weight are all dangerous fighters and would beat Green easily. Likewise with most of the main contenders.

Noxy wrote:No, he's too old now. He's not really a CW either

Of course Greeny can't win a legit belt at cruiser. His first career at cruiser was all smoke and mirrors fighting guys either coming up in weight or heavyweights coming down in weight to his cheating catchweights. The only times he fought legit level cruisers guess what happened ? Thats right he was brutally KTFO by Wlod and Tarver.

I see B J Flores is fighting Shumenov for an interim title soon.

Could aim for the winner of that.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:I see B J Flores is fighting Shumenov for an interim title soon.

Could aim for the winner of that.

I think Shumenov the former WBA light heavyweight champion wins this. He has fought better opposition and been involved in bigger fights. But Flores is durable, has made a habit of winning and never been stopped.

I don't see Green fighting either of them.

Francis75 wrote:Of course Greeny can't win a legit belt at cruiser. His first career at cruiser was all smoke and mirrors fighting guys either coming up in weight or heavyweights coming down in weight to his cheating catchweights. The only times he fought legit level cruisers guess what happened ? Thats right he was brutally KTFO by Wlod and Tarver.

Francis75 wrote:Of course Greeny can't win a legit belt at cruiser. His first career at cruiser was all smoke and mirrors fighting guys either coming up in weight or heavyweights coming down in weight to his cheating catchweights. The only times he fought legit level cruisers guess what happened ? Thats right he was brutally KTFO by Wlod and Tarver.

Flores came in a smidgen under the full cruiser limit at his own choice and green beat him comfortably. At the time and still currently flores is and was a contender.
And dont try give me no he made him weight drain crap because anyone who weighs north of 90kgs walk around weight can do a poo that weighs as much as 1.5kgs and it is a very small percentage of body weight.

Legit cruiser contender. Top 10 at the time beaten by green.

scottearley123456 wrote:

Francis75 wrote:Of course Greeny can't win a legit belt at cruiser. His first career at cruiser was all smoke and mirrors fighting guys either coming up in weight or heavyweights coming down in weight to his cheating catchweights. The only times he fought legit level cruisers guess what happened ? Thats right he was brutally KTFO by Wlod and Tarver.

Francis75 wrote:Of course Greeny can't win a legit belt at cruiser. His first career at cruiser was all smoke and mirrors fighting guys either coming up in weight or heavyweights coming down in weight to his cheating catchweights. The only times he fought legit level cruisers guess what happened ? Thats right he was brutally KTFO by Wlod and Tarver.

Flores came in a smidgen under the full cruiser limit at his own choice and green beat him comfortably. At the time and still currently flores is and was a contender.
And dont try give me no he made him weight drain crap because anyone who weighs north of 90kgs walk around weight can do a poo that weighs as much as 1.5kgs and it is a very small percentage of body weight.

Legit cruiser contender. Top 10 at the time beaten by green.

Hello Nina nice to see you defending your husband. And the Briggs KO was legit punch to the soft part of the skull too. D

Though it won't suit the narrative of some, Danny Green vs B.J. Flores was contested between two in-form and well rated fighters.

Green was WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 and his record stood at 30 wins from 33 contests. One of Green's losses came from a DQ against Beyer in a fight he was controlling, having decked Beyer in rounds 1 and 2 and another from a close rematch between the pair. The reality is Green had only been dominated once in his pro career, by Mundine, at super middleweight.

Flores was undefeated after 25 professional fights and rated by various organisations including the WBA who had him at #7.

5 years later the loss to Green is still the only one on Flores' record and he has an interim title fight coming up next.

Like a Boss wrote:Though it won't suit the narrative of some, Danny Green vs B.J. Flores was contested between two in-form and well rated fighters.

Green was WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 and his record stood at 30 wins from 33 contests. One of Green's losses came from a DQ against Beyer in a fight he was controlling, having decked Beyer in rounds 1 and 2 and another from a close rematch between the pair. The reality is Green had only been dominated once in his pro career, by Mundine, at super middleweight.

Flores was undefeated after 25 professional fights and rated by various organisations including the WBA who had him at #7.

5 years later the loss to Green is still the only one on Flores' record and he has an interim title fight coming up next.

In form? Well I suppose Green had wins over the prime RJJ,a Siaca pulled out of rehab who had 3 fights in 4 years(the last a 1 rounder at middleweight)and the Briggs fight. And Flores had beaten guys with 3 losses and 2 wins in his last 2 fights and hadn't fought for 15 months.

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:Though it won't suit the narrative of some, Danny Green vs B.J. Flores was contested between two in-form and well rated fighters.

Green was WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 and his record stood at 30 wins from 33 contests. One of Green's losses came from a DQ against Beyer in a fight he was controlling, having decked Beyer in rounds 1 and 2 and another from a close rematch between the pair. The reality is Green had only been dominated once in his pro career, by Mundine, at super middleweight.

Flores was undefeated after 25 professional fights and rated by various organisations including the WBA who had him at #7.

5 years later the loss to Green is still the only one on Flores' record and he has an interim title fight coming up next.

In form? Well I suppose Green had wins over the prime RJJ,a Siaca pulled out of rehab who had 3 fights in 4 years(the last a 1 rounder at middleweight)and the Briggs fight. And Flores had beaten guys with 3 losses and 2 wins in his last 2 fights and hadn't fought for 15 months.

In form enough for Green to be rated WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7, and Flores to be rated WBA #7.

Do I value your agenda driven opinion over that of those 5 different boxing organisations? Hardly

Like a Boss wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:Though it won't suit the narrative of some, Danny Green vs B.J. Flores was contested between two in-form and well rated fighters.

Green was WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 and his record stood at 30 wins from 33 contests. One of Green's losses came from a DQ against Beyer in a fight he was controlling, having decked Beyer in rounds 1 and 2 and another from a close rematch between the pair. The reality is Green had only been dominated once in his pro career, by Mundine, at super middleweight.

Flores was undefeated after 25 professional fights and rated by various organisations including the WBA who had him at #7.

5 years later the loss to Green is still the only one on Flores' record and he has an interim title fight coming up next.

In form? Well I suppose Green had wins over the prime RJJ,a Siaca pulled out of rehab who had 3 fights in 4 years(the last a 1 rounder at middleweight)and the Briggs fight. And Flores had beaten guys with 3 losses and 2 wins in his last 2 fights and hadn't fought for 15 months.

In form enough for Green to be rated WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7, and Flores to be rated WBA #7.

Do I value your agenda driven opinion over that of those 5 different boxing organisations? Hardly

Maybe you might value Robbie Peden and Stuart Duncan's opinion then.

http://australianboxingforum.yuku.com/t ... bCG7P0w-M8

Hello Nina nice to see you defending your husband?

u pull these cards when u r beaten, lol.

nobody forced bj to do anything.

and he looked fantastic on fight night too. so this is what hurts u more I see.

if only u put this unhealthy obsession into a fighter u like instead of one u despise so much. try it some time.

buster007 wrote:Hello Nina nice to see you defending your husband?

u pull these cards when u r beaten, lol.

nobody forced bj to do anything.

and he looked fantastic on fight night too. so this is what hurts u more I see.

if only u put this unhealthy obsession into a fighter u like instead of one u despise so much. try it some time.

How am I beaten? People who know a lot more than us about the American scene told us all you need to know about Flores. And like a boss gave Danny all these rankings for Danny but you know as well as I do they can be manipulated. I mean before Flores his 4 cruiserweight fights were at 179 2 times and 184 2 times. Nowhere near the 200lb Cruiserweight limit. lol

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:[ In form? Well I suppose Green had wins over the prime RJJ,a Siaca pulled out of rehab who had 3 fights in 4 years(the last a 1 rounder at middleweight)and the Briggs fight. And Flores had beaten guys with 3 losses and 2 wins in his last 2 fights and hadn't fought for 15 months.

In form enough for Green to be rated WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7, and Flores to be rated WBA #7.

Do I value your agenda driven opinion over that of those 5 different boxing organisations? Hardly

Maybe you might value Robbie Peden and Stuart Duncan's opinion then.

http://australianboxingforum.yuku.com/t ... bCG7P0w-M8

Everyone has an opinion. The world is full of them. But the ones that matter most are those of the organisations who run the titles. Green was rated WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 when he fought Flores, and Flores was WBA #7.

That much is fact. Even though it runs against your increasingly obvious agenda.

So you think serious boxing fans believe that? C,mon mate he had only fought at 179 and 184 nowhere near the CW limit.

DA GOOSE wrote:So you think serious boxing fans believe that? C,mon mate he had only fought at 179 and 184 nowhere near the CW limit.

Those were the ratings. It is fact regardless of what you think. Here's further clarification since you seem to want to continue disputing facts because they don't suit your agenda:

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&opt= ... e&id=32923

All three judges were unanimous: 117-112, 118-111 and 118-110 - for Danny Green, who was WBO #2, IBF #5, WBC #8 and The Ring #7 cruiserweight on his way in. Flores was #7 by the WBA, coming into this fight. Green retained his IBO title for the third consecutive time.

Well we will see how good Flores is this weekend against someone half decent I guess. It least he will be allowed to weigh in at the full CW limit.