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"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

I love how it says he has ruled out fights with guys who are not even in his weight class!

If he wants to fight those guys, he needs to go up to their weight class & beat a path to their doors by proving he is either the best contender for their titles or a lucrative enough option to fight in the case of Hopkins.

Syntax Error wrote:I love how it says he has ruled out fights with guys who are not even in his weight class!

If he wants to fight those guys, he needs to go up to their weight class & beat a path to their doors by proving he is either the best contender for their titles or a lucrative enough option to fight in the case of Hopkins.

How come folks get amnesia when it comes to GGG.

It is he and Sanchez and Loeffler who floated (and occasionally continue to float) the notion that GGG can and will fight outside of 160.

If I say I can fight folks in 3 or 4 different weight classes and then legit guys from those same classes call me out...please explain how that isn't me ducking if I turn down those fights.

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Floyd id ducking Lara, Andrade and Golovkin. Is this how great fighters conduct themselves?

Team Golovkin need to stop talking about fighting the likes of Ward & Hopkins & just do it.

He's got nothing left to prove at 160, apart from a potential showdown with Alvarez, if Canelo beats Cotto, so why would he not want a crack at some of the beasts at 168?

168 is still pretty hot, even with the retirement of The Cobra, so GGG just needs to go for it.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Floyd id ducking Lara, Andrade and Golovkin. Is this how great fighters conduct themselves?

LMAO!!!!

Golovkin doesn't fight at 154, has never proven he can fight at 154. If anything, you could say GGG is talking the talk yet not walking the walk by fighting a legit guy at 154 in order to prove he deserves such a fight with Mayweather.

Lara lost pretty convincingly to a guy Floyd beat pretty convincingly.

Andrade makes no sense financially and Floyd has already beat a guy in division that most consider better than Andrade.

Nice try though...

Excuses, excuses. The fact is: Floyd is ducking the most dangerous opponents.

Golovkin is cutting weight now. Why would he fight bigger opponents if it is not a PPV fight ?

if in the next 24 month guys like cotto, canelo, quillin, lemiaux, murata dont step up to fight ggg, than there is no point in staying at midd and ggg should go handle business with ward, degale etc..but at this point he should try to box the best midd possible. but they have to accept the challenge, ggg is ready and willing to fight anybody at midd..

A few months ago, someone in here claimed that as soon as ggg set out for lower weight, floydfans, floyd, bhop etc., would start calling him out and mock him for not going up in weight. Spot on...

Butterbean wrote:A few months ago, someone in here claimed that as soon as ggg set out for lower weight, floydfans, floyd, bhop etc., would start calling him out and mock him for not going up in weight. Spot on...

It was GGG fanboy nuthugging back then and it still is now.

It is a "prediction" which is actually a tacit admission of Golovkin's hypocrisy.

First of all, GGG has yet to "set out" for anything.

He says that Floyd, Canelo, and Cotto are some of the guys he wants to fight.

He also named BHop way back when, still has Andre Ward coming out of his mouth (until Ward tells him to put up or shut up), and was in fact negotiating to fight Froch before Carl retired.

So GGG is saying he will go to other weights...until it is a guy in those other weights who are not on his risk/reward radar.

It is why he has constantly ducked Lara, and wants no part of Ward.

And I guess BHop is on that list now too. Because they can't risk getting in with Bernard and getting worked after Kovalev had such an easy time with the old man.

They get in with Bernard and lose and GGG is done. So all of a sudden he is no longer on the radar either.

Truth is, GGG is running the same risk/reward game the big stars do. Problem is, all those guy paid their dues and have come out on top in at least one mega-fight.

GGG is still waiting to add that type of win to his resume, but they are acting like he already has one, matching him very carefully.

And I think we can all guess why.

Matching him very carefully ??? Who have they avoided AT HIS WEIGHT ? Yes, they wanted Hopkins when he was a champion. After Kovalev humiliation, nobody would give GGG credit for beating him anyway. What is a point of fighting a LHW then when you are cutting weight to get to LMW ???

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Hagler never moved up. Just saying.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Hagler never moved up. Just saying.

Hagler never flapped his gums about taking on anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes either.

koolkc107 wrote:Hagler never flapped his gums about taking on anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes either.

Funny that, because he talked plenty about SRL and Don Curry when they were welterweights and about Hearns when he was at 154.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Hagler never flapped his gums about taking on anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes either.

Funny that, because he talked plenty about SRL and Don Curry when they were welterweights and about Hearns when he was at 154.

No. I think you are a bit confused about the difference between the ambition of Hagler vs. the chutzpah and hypocrisy of GGG.

Golovkin has yet to fight and beat a truly elite guy; yet he wants to act like he has and offers to go to other weights to get the big fight, this while never actually trying to prove himself at any of those other weights.

Marvin is a different case entirely.

Of course Marvin wanted the paydays that fights with more popular fighters could give him.

But you never heard him talking about FIGHTING in 3 or 4 weight classes. He knew he was a middleweight and that is where he was going to stay.

Hagler: Even that night, when he was done talking, I told myself: Oh yeah, one day, it’s gonna happen. If you keep knocking everyone out, they’re going to have to come to you. Look, I believe a true champion stays in his own category. I controlled the middleweight division. I owned it. I didn’t want to go up or down in weight. I just wanted to defend my title. I believed if I waited, the big names would come to me at middleweight. And I always said that the only way they’re going to beat me is [to] knock me out. And if they’re going to knock me out, they better hit me with that ring post, because I ain’t going nowhere. So the Roberto Durans, the Leonards, the Tommy Hearnses, these guys were like vultures, sitting on the fence, waiting for somebody to beat me so it would make it that much easier for them to come in and take my title. And I said, “No-no-no-no.”

http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

koolkc107 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Hagler never flapped his gums about taking on anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes either.

Funny that, because he talked plenty about SRL and Don Curry when they were welterweights and about Hearns when he was at 154.

No. I think you are a bit confused about the difference between the ambition of Hagler vs. the chutzpah and hypocrisy of GGG.

Golovkin has yet to fight and beat a truly elite guy; yet he wants to act like he has and offers to go to other weights to get the big fight, this while never actually trying to prove himself at any of those other weights.

Marvin is a different case entirely.

Of course Marvin wanted the paydays that fights with more popular fighters could give him.

But you never heard him talking about FIGHTING in 3 or 4 weight classes. He knew he was a middleweight and that is where he was going to stay.

Hagler: Even that night, when he was done talking, I told myself: Oh yeah, one day, it’s gonna happen. If you keep knocking everyone out, they’re going to have to come to you. Look, I believe a true champion stays in his own category. I controlled the middleweight division. I owned it. I didn’t want to go up or down in weight. I just wanted to defend my title. I believed if I waited, the big names would come to me at middleweight. And I always said that the only way they’re going to beat me is [to] knock me out. And if they’re going to knock me out, they better hit me with that ring post, because I ain’t going nowhere. So the Roberto Durans, the Leonards, the Tommy Hearnses, these guys were like vultures, sitting on the fence, waiting for somebody to beat me so it would make it that much easier for them to come in and take my title. And I said, “No-no-no-no.”

http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

I'm not confused. I just have a different view to you.

Kool/kbb/brut, youre contradicting yourself at an amazing pace. Slow down a bit. Maybe then you want make such an arse out of yourself.

Butterbean wrote:Kool/kbb/brut, youre contradicting yourself at an amazing pace. Slow down a bit. Maybe then you want make such an arse out of yourself.

I am just fine, Butt.

You see a contradiction, feel free to point it out.

I don't mind admitting I could be wrong.

koolkc107 wrote:

Butterbean wrote:Kool/kbb/brut, youre contradicting yourself at an amazing pace. Slow down a bit. Maybe then you want make such an arse out of yourself.

I am just fine, Butt.

You see a contradiction, feel free to point it out.

I don't mind admitting I could be wrong.

Youre not even wrong. Youre rambling and delillusional.

Butterbean wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Butterbean wrote:Kool/kbb/brut, youre contradicting yourself at an amazing pace. Slow down a bit. Maybe then you want make such an arse out of yourself.

I am just fine, Butt.

You see a contradiction, feel free to point it out.

I don't mind admitting I could be wrong.

Youre not even wrong. Youre rambling and delillusional.

OK, so I am all over the place and out of touch with reality...but absolutely right.

Fair enough.

koolkc107 wrote: Hagler: Even that night, when he was done talking, I told myself: Oh yeah, one day, it’s gonna happen. If you keep knocking everyone out, they’re going to have to come to you. Look, I believe a true champion stays in his own category. I controlled the middleweight division. I owned it. I didn’t want to go up or down in weight. I just wanted to defend my title. I believed if I waited, the big names would come to me at middleweight. And I always said that the only way they’re going to beat me is [to] knock me out. And if they’re going to knock me out, they better hit me with that ring post, because I ain’t going nowhere. So the Roberto Durans, the Leonards, the Tommy Hearnses, these guys were like vultures, sitting on the fence, waiting for somebody to beat me so it would make it that much easier for them to come in and take my title. And I said, “No-no-no-no.”

http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

First of all Hagler said it after he retired. What people say post-factum is often different than what they said before.

Second: isn't sitting on the fence is what Canelo, Quillin, Lemieux, Lee, Cotto, etc. are doing now ? Exact same situation.

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: Hagler: Even that night, when he was done talking, I told myself: Oh yeah, one day, it’s gonna happen. If you keep knocking everyone out, they’re going to have to come to you. Look, I believe a true champion stays in his own category. I controlled the middleweight division. I owned it. I didn’t want to go up or down in weight. I just wanted to defend my title. I believed if I waited, the big names would come to me at middleweight. And I always said that the only way they’re going to beat me is [to] knock me out. And if they’re going to knock me out, they better hit me with that ring post, because I ain’t going nowhere. So the Roberto Durans, the Leonards, the Tommy Hearnses, these guys were like vultures, sitting on the fence, waiting for somebody to beat me so it would make it that much easier for them to come in and take my title. And I said, “No-no-no-no.”

http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

First of all Hagler said it after he retired. What people say post-factum is often different than what they said before.

Second: isn't sitting on the fence is what Canelo, Quillin, Lemieux, Lee, Cotto, etc. are doing now ? Exact same situation.

You can't equate the two situations, they are vastly different.

One guy wanted to fight money fights but was happy to wait till they came up, if they came up.

The other guy wants money fights and says he will fight in other divisions but when challenged by credible guys in the divisions he says he can fight in...ducks.

One guy has a HOF career even if he NEVER fights those money fights.

The other guy has yet to face a truly elite fighter.

Hey, you like GGG, I get it. I enjoy his fights too.

I just want to see him in with better guys.

NOW.

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

By the same standard, then Floyd Mayweather the WBC Champion at 154 is ducking GGG.

Freedom2013 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

By the same standard, then Floyd Mayweather the WBC Champion at 154 is ducking GGG.

You'd be right if GGG had actually demonstrated that he can fight at 154.

Back in the day when Maravilla was champ at 154 then went to 160 and called out Floyd and Pac, I called that a duck when both men gave him crickets in return.

Freedom2013 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

By the same standard, then Floyd Mayweather the WBC Champion at 154 is ducking GGG.

Isnt he doing just that ?