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I was wonder why fight couldn't happen,there saying in one of Pryor's documentries,that Leonard move up to 147 to avoid Aaron Pryor which i don't think is true,but ever time Pryor challenged Leonard,he turn down fight.Then Aaron goes to talk about how he beat Thomas Hearns in the Olympics & how he knockdown leonard in a sparring session.I thought Pryor deserve a big payday fight with Leonard because he was a dawg in that ring.

Year's ago I read that Pryor was obsessed with fighting Leonard he said he wasn't interested in meeting Hearns because he beat him in the amateur's
I found that to be amusing.........but back to Leonard facing Pryor this would have been a classic especially with Pryor craving this fight but as good
as Pryor was and the pace he would have come out and set he would be throwing punch's in bunch's with plenty of venom in them but with the BIGGER man Sugar Ray he would not be able to keep up the pressure like he did against Arguello by the 8th round he would start to slow and Leonard would be putting 4/5 fast combo's together and punching from different angle's to keep Pryor of balance and make him fight on the back foot after 3/4 rounds of this Pryor would be out on his feet and his corner would throw in the towel in round 12

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Year's ago I read that Pryor was obsessed with fighting Leonard he said he wasn't interested in meeting Hearns because he beat him in the amateur's
I found that to be amusing.........but back to Leonard facing Pryor this would have been a classic especially with Pryor craving this fight but as good
as Pryor was and the pace he would have come out and set he would be throwing punch's in bunch's with plenty of venom in them but with the BIGGER man Sugar Ray he would not be able to keep up the pressure like he did against Arguello by the 8th round he would start to slow and Leonard would be putting 4/5 fast combo's together and punching from different angle's to keep Pryor of balance and make him fight on the back foot after 3/4 rounds of this Pryor would be out on his feet and his corner would throw in the towel in round 12

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If the great Aaron Pryor struggled with a overblown featherweight like the d Alexis Arguello, who was really slow in that fight, I imagine a faster, stronger and harder-hitting great like Sugar Ray Leonard would do to him?
Plus, Pryor got to be the one moving up 7 more pounds? Pryor is too small for a welterweight. He wouldn't had the speed like he had at lightweigh or Jr. welterweight.

The question will be if he's able to hurt Leonard at any point of the fight. Pryor was an accumulation type of puncher. He used to stop you with his relentless pressure pace and work rate. I can't see him winning this one. He is just there for a big payday. As a matter of fact, I can't see him beating the greats like Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran or Wilfred Benitez at 147lbs. Not even would he beat the Carlos Palominos and Pipino Cuevas in my opinion.

I agree i don't think Pryor could have beat Leonard either,Aaron Pryor was known for brawling and putting pressure on fighters an fighting wild but his defensive skills was poor an so as his reflexes.Leonard was a way more skillful fighter than Pryor was,he was quick,he could make u miss,he could fight on the outside an also attack on inside.Leonard also beat tougher competition than Pryor did,Leonard beat Roberto Duran twice an he beat guys like Thomas Hearns,Wilfred Benitez,Marvin Hagler,and Donny Lalonde.

I don't take nothing away from Pryor he was a hella of a great fighter,but the two Alexis Arguello fights was the only biggest fights he ever had

If Pryor wanted to fight Leonard, he would have gone up to Welterweight before 1987.

Syntax Error wrote:If Pryor wanted to fight Leonard, he would have gone up to Welterweight before 1987.

You mean, he would've to move up by or before 1984

elmersalsa wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:If Pryor wanted to fight Leonard, he would have gone up to Welterweight before 1987.

You mean, he would've to move up by or before 1984

That's true, if you take Sugar Ray Leonard's career into account, but Pryor himself did not have his first Welterweight fight until 1987 & I have to wonder why someone who was so seemingly desperate to fight SRL wouldn't have jumped up sooner than he did.

Duran did it in 1980 & we all know what happened; Prior should have done the same too.

elmersalsa wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Year's ago I read that Pryor was obsessed with fighting Leonard he said he wasn't interested in meeting Hearns because he beat him in the amateur's
I found that to be amusing.........but back to Leonard facing Pryor this would have been a classic especially with Pryor craving this fight but as good
as Pryor was and the pace he would have come out and set he would be throwing punch's in bunch's with plenty of venom in them but with the BIGGER man Sugar Ray he would not be able to keep up the pressure like he did against Arguello by the 8th round he would start to slow and Leonard would be putting 4/5 fast combo's together and punching from different angle's to keep Pryor of balance and make him fight on the back foot after 3/4 rounds of this Pryor would be out on his feet and his corner would throw in the towel in round 12

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If the great Aaron Pryor struggled with a overblown featherweight like the d Alexis Arguello, who was really slow in that fight, I imagine a faster, stronger and harder-hitting great like Sugar Ray Leonard would do to him?
Plus, Pryor got to be the one moving up 7 more pounds? Pryor is too small for a welterweight. He wouldn't had the speed like he had at lightweigh or Jr. welterweight.

The question will be if he's able to hurt Leonard at any point of the fight. Pryor was an accumulation type of puncher. He used to stop you with his relentless pressure pace and work rate. I can't see him winning this one. He is just there for a big payday. As a matter of fact, I can't see him beating the greats like Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran or Wilfred Benitez at 147lbs. Not even would he beat the Carlos Palominos and Pipino Cuevas in my opinion.

Palomino and Cuevas I doubt it.......so you high light what my comment was regarding SRL V AP CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE METHOD TO YOUR MADNESS
MY PICK ALL DAY LONG IS SRL SAME AS YOU.. Pryor was a MUCH better fighter than you are giving him credit for CUEVAS WOULD'NT HANDLE THE HAWKES PRESSURE AND WOULD CAVE IN FOR SURE.......AS FOR PALOMINO HE'S A NOTCH OR TWO BELOW PRYOR.

I don't think of Cuevas vs Pryor, or Palomino vs Pryor, is a talent type of fight. I lean towards Pipino and Carlos because of the speed and physical advantages. They, especially Pipino, have the punch to really put The Hawk away. If the great Alexis Arguello had Pryor in trouble, but was very slow to follow up. Cuevas and Palomino, if they see Pryor in trouble, it's all over.

Those two, in my mind, will also win because of physical advantages, not because of better talent. Pryor likes to attack, and it will be a big mistake.

elmersalsa wrote:I don't think of Cuevas vs Pryor, or Palomino vs Pryor, is a talent type of fight. I lean towards Pipino and Carlos because of the speed and physical advantages. They, especially Pipino, have the punch to really put The Hawk away. If the great Alexis Arguello had Pryor in trouble, but was very slow to follow up. Cuevas and Palomino, if they see Pryor in trouble, it's all over.

Those two, in my mind, will also win because of physical advantages, not because of better talent. Pryor likes to attack, and it will be a big mistake.

THESE 2 ARE GOOD FIGHTER'S BUT NOT ON PRYORS LEVEL 32-0-30 WHEN DRUG FREE

Aaron the Hawk Pryor would have beaten Pipino Cuevas too.This guy was beaten an knockout by Thomas Hearns & Roberto Duran.ill give Cuevas props though he was able to defend his title 14 times with wins,thats sumthing most fighters today couldn't do.Carlos Palomino too me wasn't anything special,I see Pryor beaten him also.v

psychod1986 wrote:Aaron the Hawk Pryor would have beaten Pipino Cuevas too.This guy was beaten an knockout by Thomas Hearns & Roberto Duran.ill give Cuevas props though he was able to defend his title 14 times with wins,thats sumthing most fighters today couldn't do.Carlos Palomino too me wasn't anything special,I see Pryor beaten him also.v

It's not about being anything special. It's about THE WEIGHT AND PHYSICAL DISCREPANCIES. One shot by Pipino and the fight it's all over. Palomino could fight, too. Even though, he was not a big puncher like Pipino, his work rate was off the chain. He could also box. They were tall fighters for a welterweight. Pryor at welter wouldn't had THE SPEED nor the POWER to keep those guys away. He struggled with an overblown featherweight, out of his prime, and slow of foot. Pipino was as strong and faster than Alexis, at least at 147lbs.

I think the Hawk is a made to order for the two of them. They were very good.

elmersalsa wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:Aaron the Hawk Pryor would have beaten Pipino Cuevas too.This guy was beaten an knockout by Thomas Hearns & Roberto Duran.ill give Cuevas props though he was able to defend his title 14 times with wins,thats sumthing most fighters today couldn't do.Carlos Palomino too me wasn't anything special,I see Pryor beaten him also.v

It's not about being anything special. It's about THE WEIGHT AND PHYSICAL DISCREPANCIES. One shot by Pipino and the fight it's all over. Palomino could fight, too. Even though, he was not a big puncher like Pipino, his work rate was off the chain. He could also box. They were tall fighters for a welterweight. Pryor at welter wouldn't had THE SPEED nor the POWER to keep those guys away. He struggled with an overblown featherweight, out of his prime, and slow of foot. Pipino was as strong and faster than Alexis, at least at 147lbs.

I think the Hawk is a made to order for the two of them. They were very good.

COME ON PALOMINO WORK RATE OFF THE CHAIN............MATE PRYOR WOULD BE THE CHAIN
GO DO RESEARCH SENSIBLE FANCY PUTTING SHIT ON A LEGEND LIKE ARGUELLO.....OUT OF HIS PRIME BLOWN UP FEATHERWEIGHT
DID YOU WATCH THAT FIGHT IF YOU DID IT MAKES YOUR COMMENT TEN TIME'S DUMBER THAN IT NORMALLY WOULD BE
WHAT DID THAT WASHED UP BLOWN UP LIGHTWEIGHT DURAN DO TO CUEVAS :?? :?? PRYOR WAS A BALL OF DESRUCTIVE ENERGY
PACMAN THE BLOWN UP FLYWWEIGHT HE MUST HAVE FU..ED UP EVERYONE'S LEGACY HE DEFEATED THE BLOWN UP
FLY/BANTAM/FEATHER/LIGHT....ETC.... ETC....

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:Aaron the Hawk Pryor would have beaten Pipino Cuevas too.This guy was beaten an knockout by Thomas Hearns & Roberto Duran.ill give Cuevas props though he was able to defend his title 14 times with wins,thats sumthing most fighters today couldn't do.Carlos Palomino too me wasn't anything special,I see Pryor beaten him also.v

It's not about being anything special. It's about THE WEIGHT AND PHYSICAL DISCREPANCIES. One shot by Pipino and the fight it's all over. Palomino could fight, too. Even though, he was not a big puncher like Pipino, his work rate was off the chain. He could also box. They were tall fighters for a welterweight. Pryor at welter wouldn't had THE SPEED nor the POWER to keep those guys away. He struggled with an overblown featherweight, out of his prime, and slow of foot. Pipino was as strong and faster than Alexis, at least at 147lbs.

I think the Hawk is a made to order for the two of them. They were very good.

COME ON PALOMINO WORK RATE OFF THE CHAIN............MATE PRYOR WOULD BE THE CHAIN
GO DO RESEARCH SENSIBLE FANCY PUTTING poo ON A LEGEND LIKE ARGUELLO.....OUT OF HIS PRIME BLOWN UP FEATHERWEIGHT
DID YOU WATCH THAT FIGHT IF YOU DID IT MAKES YOUR COMMENT TEN TIME'S DUMBER THAN IT NORMALLY WOULD BE
WHAT DID THAT WASHED UP BLOWN UP LIGHTWEIGHT DURAN DO TO CUEVAS :?? :?? PRYOR WAS A BALL OF DESRUCTIVE ENERGY
PACMAN THE BLOWN UP FLYWWEIGHT HE MUST HAVE FU..ED UP EVERYONE'S LEGACY HE DEFEATED THE BLOWN UP
FLY/BANTAM/FEATHER/LIGHT....ETC.... ETC....

Like I had said before, sometimes, it's not about boxing ability. I could give some examples:
The great Kid Gavilan challenging middleweight champion Carl "Bobo" Olson. Gavilan was by far, the more talented fighter, but, THE WEIGHT, THE WEIGHT, was too much for the Cuban Hawk. Olson, the stronger fighter won. Not because he was more talented, but because he was AT HIS WEIGHT CLASS.

The great Luis Manuel Rodriguez was giving middleweight king Nino Benvenutti, a boxing lesson. Out of nowhere, the bigger guy, Nino, came with the left hook and that was it.

The great Sugar Ray Robinson was comfortable ahead of light heavyweight champ Joey Maxim. The heat, and also the champ's weight and pressure, finished Sugar Ray.

The same will happen with the great Aaron Pryor if he fights Pipino Cuevas. Cuevas was the harder hitter and stronger guy. Pryor was the more talented. But, can Pryor carry THE SPEED and POWER to 147lbs? I don't think so. Cuevas physical advantages would've wear Pryor down. I could see Pipino winning by a nasty knockout. It wouldn't be a great sight. Cuevas was one the best punchers I have seen in my life.

That's like the great Sugar Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran challenging Julian Jackson at 154lbs or at 160lbs. Sugar Ray or Manos de Piedra may be the more talented, but all it takes one shot from The Hawk of the US Virgin Islands and it will be all over. Or the great Thomas Hearns
challenging Nigel Benn at 160 or 168lbs. Hearns by far is the most talented, but, Benn the stronger guy.

I saw the Pryor vs Arguello fight I and II. Arguello had him in queer street lots of times. He was too slow and out of prime and definitely out of his weight range. Duran and Cuevas fought when both were washed up. Pryor was not more talented than Duran.

THIS IS ABOUT PRYOR V PALOMINO/CUEVAS DON'T MENTION THE BLOW UP LIGHTWEIGHT DURAN ....BACK TO THE SCHOOL YARD WE FU..ING GO

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:THIS IS ABOUT PRYOR V PALOMINO/CUEVAS DON'T MENTION THE BLOW UP LIGHTWEIGHT DURAN ....BACK TO THE SCHOOL YARD WE FU..ING GO

You mentioned Duran vs Cuevas first. Both of them were washed up when they fought in '83.
And yes, Duran was a blown up lightweight when he was fighting above his natural weight range.

I believe that the Cincinnati Hawk was a great fighter. I got him ranked at #99 in my list of the 100 greatest p4p great boxers. But, I believe that at 147lbs, it would be too much weight for Pryor to carry. He ain't gonna hurt Pipino nor had the same speed that he had at 135 or 140lbs.

Your exxaggerating an overating Pipino Cuevas,& yeah thats true in 83 Cuevas was wash up,ever since he beat Maurcio Bravo,he haven't been the same since that,also lost most of his fights after that.Your also exxaggerating about Pryor's talent an speed,Aaron Pryor's speed was just as good as Cuevas was even when Pryor was out of shape his hands worked good.Cuevas wasn't a threat to Pryor & Pryor also could have beat him also.

I will still give Cuevas credit though he was great young talent & most guys couldn't last no more than 2 rounds against him,he also held the wba welterweight title for a long time but Cuevas wasn't that much better than Pryor was.

I feel the call to echo some old wisdom.....

The only fight between Aaron Pryor and Roberto Duran that would ever have taken place, is the one that would have gone on between Aaron, and the 4 guys it would have taken to get him into the ring with Duran.

Pretty much the same goes for Leonard.


He was a very well managed and lucky fighter. One that got his 15 minutes of fame twice vs Arguello....and he never would have beaten a prime Cervantes OR Arguello......he folded like a rotted wicker chair very early in his career. 1/2 of his wins against Arguello were courtesy of the "Blue Bottle Special".

Cuevas was a good fighter but yall making him out to much of a better fighter than he really was, his career made a turn ever since he lost to Duran.

Cuevas wouldn't beat Wilfred Benitez,Sugar Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez,Mike Mccallum nor could he beat Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran.

You often hear people say that Pryor didn't beat that good of competition besides Arguello. That may be true. But what about Cuevas and Palomino? Who did they beat that was really that good?

I think Pryor gets by Cuevas and Palomino. They would have been interesting fights, but Pryor probably had too much firepower.
He might make it interesting against Leonard, but he would not beat him.

I think people in here are UNDERESTIMATING Pipino and Palomino here. These two fighters in my estimation, can fight. Just because Pipino was blown away by the great Thomas Hearns, means that the great Aaron Pryor would do the same. Pipino in his prime was a nasty KO artist as he can be. He could hit. I see Pipino beating Pryor BY A NASTY KNOCKOUT! Too much punching power for The Hawk to overcome. Pryor has to jump to 7 pounds. I can't see him winning this fight. Neither, I can't see him beating a good fighter like Palomino. Palomino's work rate could match Pryor's. As a matter of fact, at welterweight, I don't see Pryor beating these guys:
Emile Griffith
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Donald Curry
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns
Wilfred Benitez
Pipino Cuevas
Carlos Palomino
Kid Gavilan
Henry Armstrong

elmersalsa wrote:I think people in here are UNDERESTIMATING Pipino and Palomino here. These two fighters in my estimation, can fight. Just because Pipino was blown away by the great Thomas Hearns, means that the great Aaron Pryor would do the same. Pipino in his prime was a nasty KO artist as he can be. He could hit. I see Pipino beating Pryor BY A NASTY KNOCKOUT! Too much punching power for The Hawk to overcome. Pryor has to jump to 7 pounds. I can't see him winning this fight. Neither, I can't see him beating a good fighter like Palomino. Palomino's work rate could match Pryor's. As a matter of fact, at welterweight, I don't see Pryor beating these guys:
Emile Griffith
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
Felix "Tito" Trinidad
Donald Curry
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns
Wilfred Benitez
Pipino Cuevas
Carlos Palomino
Kid Gavilan
Henry Armstrong

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