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Mike Tyson nowadays.

While maybe not all time great but terry Norris was a great boxer who would of had a good chance vs any 154 fighter

Rexob wrote:Mike Tyson nowadays.

like most potentially classed as greats there's a massive clash of views. Half the comments you see talk about him being over-rated, wouldn't have beaten this or that one etc. The other half will tell you he's unbeatable. I don't know where I sit on it. I do think the Spinks and Williams fights are over-rated as there wasn't a contest. And at the start of round 4 in the Holmes fight Tyson is getting his head jabbed off, which suggests a younger, fitter Holmes would have stood a good chance. But then you watch the Ruddock fights and realise even after he'd really peaked he still was an awesome creature.

Gene Fullmer, Fidel LaBarba, Bennie Briscoe, Charley Burley, Carlos Ortiz,
five that come to mind

Joe Brown

Curtis Cokes

GPTM1403 wrote:

Rexob wrote:Mike Tyson nowadays.

like most potentially classed as greats there's a massive clash of views. Half the comments you see talk about him being over-rated, wouldn't have beaten this or that one etc. The other half will tell you he's unbeatable. I don't know where I sit on it. I do think the Spinks and Williams fights are over-rated as there wasn't a contest. And at the start of round 4 in the Holmes fight Tyson is getting his head jabbed off, which suggests a younger, fitter Holmes would have stood a good chance. But then you watch the Ruddock fights and realise even after he'd really peaked he still was an awesome creature.

Tyson was awesome in his day and if anyone doesn't think that they where not around in the 80's He's is a Legend of sport like it or not! We are still talking about him today and people will forever when heavyweight boxing is talked about, that say's something to me how good he was.

brian Mitchell,the excellent south African and I always though mike mccallum was pretty underated,probably because he was so good he tended to get avoided

Nice to see Cokes and Ortiz mentioned.
I always thought that many non-heavyweights from the 1960s seem to be almost forgotton.
Luis Rodriguez, Nino Benvenuti, Vincente Saldivar among others were great fighters who you seldom hear much about.

Marlon Starling - I wouldn't call him a great as such, but he was a good fighter who would have been a difficult proposition for most.

tommo100 wrote:brian Mitchell,the excellent south African and I always though mike mccallum was pretty underated,probably because he was so good he tended to get avoided

How about Miguel Canto, Manuel Ortiz, Terry McGovern, Eder Jofre, Freddie Miller, Panama Al Brown, Georges Carpentier and Maxie Rosenbloom?

Don't forget Holman Williams and Beau Jack.

Great underrated fighters, indeed. They all belong in the top 100 p4p greats. Some of them are top 50 in my book.

elmersalsa wrote:How about Miguel Canto, Manuel Ortiz, Terry McGovern, Eder Jofre, Freddie Miller, Panama Al Brown, Georges Carpentier and Maxie Rosenbloom?

Don't forget Holman Williams and Beau Jack.

Great underrated fighters, indeed. They all belong in the top 100 p4p greats. Some of them are top 50 in my book.

Great shouts.

Eder Jofre is particularly underrated: a tremendous fighter indeed.

To me, the great Eder Jofre is a top 30 p4p all time great. The great Panama Al Brown, to me, is a top 40 atg p4p. It's between Jofre, Brown, and the great Carlos Zarate as the best bantamweight ever. Great bantamweights, indeed.

ezzard Charles has to be up there as being highly underated, he beat archie moore 3 times, won the heavyweight title when he was actually a light heavy. went 15 rds with Marciano, and in the second fight cut marcianos nose in half.

yancey wrote:Curtis Cokes

I can't see cokes as underated I remember watching him on t.v. in 63 and 64 first,he stinks when he loses to jose stable, then kitten Hayward kos him, he used to be managed by doug lord of dallas, then later pinkie George, jose napoles butchered him.

Nino Benvenuti......top class champ in a blue riband division and think it is weird how infrequently he is mentioned.

L.A. kidd wrote:ezzard Charles has to be up there as being highly underated, he beat archie moore 3 times, won the heavyweight title when he was actually a light heavy. went 15 rds with Marciano, and in the second fight cut marcianos nose in half.

I'd actually say he's overrated by some now no doubt a great fighter but I've seen him rated as a top 5 all time which I think is to high

Aaron Pryor

Ricardo Lopez.... Dominated for years. Hardly ever talked about anymore.

Dancin' Dan wrote:Ricardo Lopez.... Dominated for years. Hardly ever talked about anymore.

Strawweights to featherweights don't get any love in this forum.

Julio Cesar Chavez never seems to get mentioned as a ATG

...billy graham.....fought in lightweight, welterweight and middleweight divisions. probably best as a welter...but he has good wins in each division. carmine basilio said he was the smartest boxer he ever fought. never knocked off his feet. check his record. definitely underrated.

GPTM1403 wrote:

Rexob wrote:Mike Tyson nowadays.

And at the start of round 4 in the Holmes fight Tyson is getting his head jabbed off, which suggests a younger, fitter Holmes would have stood a good chance.

Tyson is definitely not given enough credit for beating Holmes, no one destroyed Holmes like Tyson did.

Holmes finally retired 14 years after fighting Tyson and had a further 24 fights, going 21-3. His only losses after Tyson were all on points to the then unbeaten Holyfield in a title fight (Holmes aged 42), McCall in a title fight (Holmes aged 45) and a disputed loss to the undefeated Brian Nielsen in a IBO title fight (Holmes aged 47). He also beat the undefeated Ray Mercer quite handily four years after the Tyson loss too. At 38 he wasn't as past it as some like to make out he was versus Tyson.

stevedoc wrote:

L.A. kidd wrote:ezzard Charles has to be up there as being highly underated, he beat archie moore 3 times, won the heavyweight title when he was actually a light heavy. went 15 rds with Marciano, and in the second fight cut marcianos nose in half.

I'd actually say he's overrated by some now no doubt a great fighter but I've seen him rated as a top 5 all time which I think is to high

In general, he is underrated.
On the BOPT, he may actually be slightly overrated. He is revered here.