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I'm so happy that Mundine thinks its absurd that a cruiserweight wants to fight him

Mundine was claiming in one of those interviews that he is the first boxer to ever win world titles in 3 descending weight divisions. I don't think this silver title thing he currently holds really qualifies him for that kind of recognition and that would be why nobody but him is making any noise about it.

bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine was claiming in one of those interviews that he is the first boxer to ever win world titles in 3 descending weight divisions. I don't think this silver title thing he currently holds really qualifies him for that kind of recognition and that would be why nobody but him is making any noise about it.

He's never won a world title...

expe wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine was claiming in one of those interviews that he is the first boxer to ever win world titles in 3 descending weight divisions. I don't think this silver title thing he currently holds really qualifies him for that kind of recognition and that would be why nobody but him is making any noise about it.

He's never won a world title...

He has never fought and beaten a reigning world champion for a legitimate world title. We know that much.

expe wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:Mundine was claiming in one of those interviews that he is the first boxer to ever win world titles in 3 descending weight divisions. I don't think this silver title thing he currently holds really qualifies him for that kind of recognition and that would be why nobody but him is making any noise about it.

He's never won a world title...

I'm glad you left the rt off your forum name, Mundine was the fully fledged champion at the time of his defence of the WBA Super Middleweight
title against Manny Siaca that night he lost his World title to Siaca but your take on it is well you know so does that mean Siaca was never a world
champ he lost it to Kessler so he aint the champ either Mundine fought Ottke after 10 pro fight's geese I forgot he had those two amateur
bout's too anyway The German realised last time Mundine nearly beat him and that the rematch would not go good even in Germany so he retired
with his undefeated record and probably plenty in the bank and who can blame him after over 300 amateur fight's and over 30 pro fight's mate he had more World title fight's than Mundine had in his amateur and pro career the night he beat Mundine. IF THE BOXING HALL OF FAME LIST YOU HAS A WORLD THEN YOU ARE ONE NO MATTER WHAT SOME FAN'S THINK IT'S TO STOP THE FIGHTER'S WITH BOGUS BELT'S SNEAKING IN THE DOOR.

Don't really like Mundine but at least he has made what he has off his own bat. Green continues to use his name to sell his fights with tomato cans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYv_UtRaMRk

Mundine's 3 most legitimate claims to world titles were all fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.

For the vacant WBA middleweight title against Taylor.

Like a Boss wrote:Mundine's 3 most legitimate claims to world titles were all fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.

For the vacant WBA middleweight title against Taylor.

He never fought for the vacant WBA middleweight title. It was probably an WBA Internatioal title against Taylor.

Correct. The Taylor fight was for some watered down International belt.


So Mundine's TWO most legitimate claims to world titles were both fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.


Where do his claims for a middleweight world title come from then? Surely not the IBO belt he won against Geale?

Like a Boss wrote:Mundine's 3 most legitimate claims to world titles were all fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.

For the vacant WBA middleweight title against Taylor.

Who Shannon Taylor when :?? you haven't got a clue have you

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:Mundine's 3 most legitimate claims to world titles were all fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.

For the vacant WBA middleweight title against Taylor.

Who Shannon Taylor when :?? you haven't got a clue have you

People like you keep crowing on about how many world titles Mundine has won. So I thought I'd try and work out where all these titles being claimed actually were, and what I found was mostly smoke and mirrors.

The reality is he has only won TWO world titles and both times in fights for vacant belts. So he has never beaten a reigning champion for a meaningful world title belt. Not once.

Like a Boss wrote:Correct. The Taylor fight was for some watered down International belt.


So Mundine's TWO most legitimate claims to world titles were both fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.


Where do his claims for a middleweight world title come from then? Surely not the IBO belt he won against Geale?

Yes terrible a................ PACMAN even claim's one of his world title's the IBO belt he won if my memory serves me correctly that title was at
jr welter even though PAC is a future HOF that world title will always be very debateable doesn't matter how great you are to get credit for a legit
world title the BOF and their selection committee will be the judge I guess.

Both times Mundine has won a "world" title it was a WBA consolation belt.

A reigning WBA "Super" champion who had already defeated Mundine was present in the division at the time of the fights.
He has never won the highest belt of a recognized sanctioning body in the ring.

Like a Boss wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:Mundine's 3 most legitimate claims to world titles were all fights for vacant belts :

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Echols.

For the vacant WBA super middleweight title against Soliman.

For the vacant WBA middleweight title against Taylor.

Who Shannon Taylor when :?? you haven't got a clue have you

People like you keep crowing on about how many world titles Mundine has won. So I thought I'd try and work out where all these titles being claimed actually were, and what I found was mostly smoke and mirrors.

The reality is he has only won TWO world titles and both times in fights for vacant belts. So he has never beaten a reigning champion for a meaningful world title belt. Not once.

Get your facts right..................when did I crow about any-one's world title..........Deletd

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Who Shannon Taylor when :?? you haven't got a clue have you

People like you keep crowing on about how many world titles Mundine has won. So I thought I'd try and work out where all these titles being claimed actually were, and what I found was mostly smoke and mirrors.

The reality is he has only won TWO world titles and both times in fights for vacant belts. So he has never beaten a reigning champion for a meaningful world title belt. Not once.

Get your facts right..................when did I crow about any-one's world title..........Deletd

Your people skills sure leave a lot to be desired. As soon as the name Mundine is mentioned you totally lose the plot. I'll just ignore you if you continue carrying on like a loser.

Perseus wrote:Both times Mundine has won a "world" title it was a WBA consolation belt.

A reigning WBA "Super" champion who had already defeated Mundine was present in the division at the time of the fights.
He has never won the highest belt of a recognized sanctioning body in the ring.

You are correct in what you say there >>>

In Sept 2003 when Mundine beat Antwun Echols for the vacant WBA regular title, Sven Ottke was the reigning WBA super champion above him and Ottke had beaten Mundine back in 2001.

in May 2008 when Mundine beat Sam Soliman for the vacant WBA regular title, Mikkel Kessler was the reigning WBA super champion above him and Kessler had beaten Mundine back in 2005.

Australia is the only country in world boxing that doesn't recognize vacant titles. Have a look at DeGale, he won a vacant title. What about Daniel Jacobs? He's headlining as a world champion? Peter Quillen? Andy Lee?

Just stop with the hate.

If that is directed my way I think you are mistaking attention to detail for hate my friend.

I guess it leads us back to the age old question of what is a world champion?

I'm sure the intended original meaning was the best fighter at your weight in the world.

But this became watered down over time as the number of organisations bred like bloody rabbits.

Which brings us to the supplementary question >>>

How can you be considered a world champion if there are many organisations and you aren't even the highest rated fighter in any one of the organisations?

TimFreza wrote:Australia is the only country in world boxing that doesn't recognize vacant titles. Have a look at DeGale, he won a vacant title. What about Daniel Jacobs? He's headlining as a world champion? Peter Quillen? Andy Lee?

Just stop with the hate.

I think they mean when Anthony has won his world titles there has always been someone higher in the same organization(except the IBO which is considered a lesser title).
In none of those circumstances did he fight the champion to become the champion or fight as a eliminator when the champion has retired,vacated to fight in another division. e.g: When Ottke retired Jeff Lacy had to fight Syd Vanderpool for Ottke's IBF title while Mundine inherited Ottke's WBA title. Same as when Calzaghe moved to LHW after beating Kessler and winning the WBA SMW title. People had to fight for Joes WBC and WBO titles
whereas Mundine inherited the WBA title.

DA GOOSE wrote:

TimFreza wrote:Australia is the only country in world boxing that doesn't recognize vacant titles. Have a look at DeGale, he won a vacant title. What about Daniel Jacobs? He's headlining as a world champion? Peter Quillen? Andy Lee?

Just stop with the hate.

I think they mean when Anthony has won his world titles there has always been someone higher in the same organization(except the IBO which is considered a lesser title).
In none of those circumstances did he fight the champion to become the champion or fight as a eliminator when the champion has retired,vacated to fight in another division. e.g: When Ottke retired Jeff Lacy had to fight Syd Vanderpool for Ottke's IBF title while Mundine inherited Ottke's WBA title. Same as when Calzaghe moved to LHW after beating Kessler and winning the WBA SMW title. People had to fight for Joes WBC and WBO titles
whereas Mundine inherited the WBA title.

Okay that's fair enough. I'm not insulting anyone, and didn't mean to.

In my opinion titles don't mean much at all these days. But he has some solid wins regardless. Green at the time was a very dangerous and world rated SMW. Geale was a world rated MW in the first bout. Rabchenko still has huge potential and he will eventually win a world title.

Mismanaged? Yes. Inconsistent? Yes. But when he's motivated he's very tough to beat and he can fight.

Just think we need to keep things in perspective. The current era in terms of titles is a mess. So if one fighter claims he's a champ even winning a regular title, we can't really be critical. I mean even some of the full fledged titles mean nothing.

There are far too many organisations and far too many title belts. Little wonder it is almost impossible to tell who the real champions are. The Ring was a great tool for helping people sort that out up until recently. But even they are now not as reliable as they once were.

TimFreza wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

TimFreza wrote:Australia is the only country in world boxing that doesn't recognize vacant titles. Have a look at DeGale, he won a vacant title. What about Daniel Jacobs? He's headlining as a world champion? Peter Quillen? Andy Lee?

Just stop with the hate.

I think they mean when Anthony has won his world titles there has always been someone higher in the same organization(except the IBO which is considered a lesser title).
In none of those circumstances did he fight the champion to become the champion or fight as a eliminator when the champion has retired,vacated to fight in another division. e.g: When Ottke retired Jeff Lacy had to fight Syd Vanderpool for Ottke's IBF title while Mundine inherited Ottke's WBA title. Same as when Calzaghe moved to LHW after beating Kessler and winning the WBA SMW title. People had to fight for Joes WBC and WBO titles
whereas Mundine inherited the WBA title.

Okay that's fair enough. I'm not insulting anyone, and didn't mean to.

In my opinion titles don't mean much at all these days. But he has some solid wins regardless. Green at the time was a very dangerous and world rated SMW. Geale was a world rated MW in the first bout. Rabchenko still has huge potential and he will eventually win a world title.

Mismanaged? Yes. Inconsistent? Yes. But when he's motivated he's very tough to beat and he can fight.

Just think we need to keep things in perspective. The current era in terms of titles is a mess. So if one fighter claims he's a champ even winning a regular title, we can't really be critical. I mean even some of the full fledged titles mean nothing.

Oh he has achieved far more than what anyone ever thought when he switched from Rugby League and yes all boxers(except Hopkins)count lesser titles like the IBO to their list of accomplishments e.g GGG,Wlad,Danny Green. Anthony's cocky,brash and outspoken ways have turned most against him and people on forums detract from his accomplishments because of his personality.

TimFreza wrote:Australia is the only country in world boxing that doesn't recognize vacant titles. Have a look at DeGale, he won a vacant title. What about Daniel Jacobs? He's headlining as a world champion? Peter Quillen? Andy Lee?

Just stop with the hate.

TimFreza Thanks for saying it for me ..............so to you Lika a Boss and perseus
the fact's are what I said he [mundine] was the FULLY FLEDGED CHAMPION OF THE WORLD JUST ASK THE WBA OTTKE DID'NT SEE THE POINT
OF GIVING A GUY WHO GAVE HIM A LOT OF TROUBLE THE FIRST TIME AROUND WHEN HE WAS A VIRTUEL NOVICE AND THE TRUTH IS LIKE
I SAID BEFORE IF IT WAS MUNDINE CHALLENGING A FEATHERWEIGHT PEOPLE LIKE YOU 2 WOULD BE TYPING YOUR FINGER'S OFF
NOW IS THAT A FACT YOU 2 WOULD SHOW YOUR CLAW'S THEN WOULD'NT YOU...........BOXER'S FIGHT PEOPLE IN OR AROUD THEIR WEIGHT CLASS
THATS A FACT NOT HATE AND LIKE I SAID I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR DANNY GREEN HE COULD HAVE A REMATCH WITH THE POLE WHO HE DOMINATED FOR MOST OF THE FIGHT AND HE IS A CRUISERWEIGHT D
PS the caps lock was locked