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Put this into perspective

Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 21:31
by CrazyHorse
Devon Alexander shuts out Marcos Maidana 10-0

Floyd Mayweather (the pound for pound king) has two razor thin fights with Marcos Maidana


but Amir Khan dominated Alexander. Just throwing that out there for arguments sake

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 21:49
by Tanzio
CrazyHorse wrote:Devon Alexander shuts out Marcos Maidana 10-0

Floyd Mayweather (the pound for pound king) has two razor thin fights with Marcos Maidana


but Amir Khan dominated Alexander. Just throwing that out there for arguments sake
While I felt that Maidana deserved the FMJ fight more than Khan, I did not think that he was the most deserving opponent the first time through. The rematch was a cop out on FMJ's part and a waste of time and space.

However, there is absolutely no doubt that Maidana improved dramatically between the Alexander and FMJ fights. One thing cannot be taken away from Marcos, he has continued to improve throughout his career.

I believe that the Maidana that faced Broner and FMJ would have ended Khan in a rematch.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 30 Jul 2015, 21:52
by CrazyHorse
Tanzio wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Devon Alexander shuts out Marcos Maidana 10-0

Floyd Mayweather (the pound for pound king) has two razor thin fights with Marcos Maidana


but Amir Khan dominated Alexander. Just throwing that out there for arguments sake
While I felt that Maidana deserved the FMJ fight more than Khan, I did not think that he was the most deserving opponent the first time through. The rematch was a cop out on FMJ's part and a waste of time and space.

However, there is absolutely no doubt that Maidana improved dramatically between the Alexander and FMJ fights. One thing cannot be taken away from Marcos, he has continued to improve throughout his career.

I believe that the Maidana that faced Broner and FMJ would have ended Khan in a rematch.

I AGREE. Plus to me, khan doesnt look nearly as good as he did in 2010. Khan loses to marcos, matts, porter, brook, heck maybe even broner. Khan needs to face a puncher. Make Khan Matthysse

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 08:54
by Badhusker
Mariana was ready to quit at the time of the Alexander fight. He also had to struggle making 140. If the 165lb version that fought Floyd, with his new trainer fought Khan, he would beat the hell out of Khan. I think Khan would struggle with Soto Karass, Berto, among others.

If Khan fights this fall, look for someone like Guerrero or an even softer puncher, or another 140 guy except Matthysse or Provo. A rematch with Peterson would be good. As dumb as he is though, he will sit and not get Pac.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 09:16
by Datsue
Styles. Make. Fights.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 09:34
by palooka
BoxRecs own Terry Dooley has an excellent interview with Amir Khan in this months Boxing Monthly magazine, it is well worth buying and reading.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 10:05
by Tarkus
With that logic people who beat Khan, like Peterson and Garcia should absolutely annihilate FMJ.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 10:42
by palooka
Khan has very good skills and some fantastic attributes, he is a far more serious threat than Berto though iif Floyd lands hard and clean Amir will touch down.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 10:54
by Tanzio
palooka wrote:Khan has very good skills and some fantastic attributes, he is a far more serious threat than Berto though iif Floyd lands hard and clean Amir will touch down.
Is there ANYONE who believes Berto is a better fight for FMJ than Khan? Anyone?

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 11:04
by Horse
CrazyHorse wrote:Floyd Mayweather (the pound for pound king) has two razor thin fights with Marcos Maidana
Mayweather dominated the Maidana rematch.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 11:22
by Tanzio
Horse wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Floyd Mayweather (the pound for pound king) has two razor thin fights with Marcos Maidana
Mayweather dominated the Maidana rematch.
I didn't think that the first one warranted a rematch. I still haven't watched it in one sitting.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 11:25
by Horse
Tanzio wrote:I didn't think that the first one warranted a rematch. I still haven't watched it in one sitting.
The first was close. I think it warranted a rematch.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 11:44
by Tanzio
Horse wrote:
Tanzio wrote:I didn't think that the first one warranted a rematch. I still haven't watched it in one sitting.
The first was close. I think it warranted a rematch.
Close is relative. Maidana was a handful but he lost around 116-112 / 115-113. I saw nothing that would change in the rematch with the exception of going wider.

There are too many credible opponents to be fighting Maidana twice and a Berto at all.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 11:58
by zojo
Mike Tyson beat Lou Savarese beat Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 12:07
by Tanzio
Datsue wrote:Styles. Make. Fights.
Absolutely . . . but so much more is involved. Anyone can have an off night, lousy training camp, problems in their personal life, age etc all affecting performance.

Boxers are not perfectly maintained machines.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 12:26
by punchoutsb
Tanzio wrote:
palooka wrote:Khan has very good skills and some fantastic attributes, he is a far more serious threat than Berto though iif Floyd lands hard and clean Amir will touch down.
Is there ANYONE who believes Berto is a better fight for FMJ than Khan? Anyone?
B-b-b-but Berto is fine for free TV!!

(It's not free tv, is it?)

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 14:19
by Impractical Poster
Styles make fights... Too many intangibles in the sport.

A>B>C...So it seems A>C, but we all know that isn't necessary the case in boxing.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 17:57
by Badhusker
I think some of you need to watch Khan vs Algieri if you think Khan is a serious threat to Floyd. Then watch Pac vs Algieri.

Khan probably out-points anyone in a 3 round fight. After that his lack of everything shows.

At least Berto has a puncher's chance, and yes, I think Berto would KO Khan.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 18:33
by Tanzio
Badhusker wrote:I think some of you need to watch Khan vs Algieri if you think Khan is a serious threat to Floyd. Then watch Pac vs Algieri.

Khan probably out-points anyone in a 3 round fight. After that his lack of everything shows.

At least Berto has a puncher's chance, and yes, I think Berto would KO Khan.
Your continued attempts to rationalize FMJ v Berto are amusing. Nothing that Berto has done suggests that he deserves FMJ more than Khan. Comparing what Algieri did v Khan and v Pac and concluding that Berto would Ktfo Khan is an extreme stretch. Algieri is a far more technically sound fighter than Berto. Btw, Khan won.

There is plenty not to like about Khan personally, but there is way more to not like about FMJ v Berto. Few believe Khan would defeat FMJ. The vast majority would prefer that fight over FMJ v Berto though.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 19:15
by Badhusker
Tanzio wrote:
Badhusker wrote:I think some of you need to watch Khan vs Algieri if you think Khan is a serious threat to Floyd. Then watch Pac vs Algieri.

Khan probably out-points anyone in a 3 round fight. After that his lack of everything shows.

At least Berto has a puncher's chance, and yes, I think Berto would KO Khan.
Your continued attempts to rationalize FMJ v Berto are amusing. Nothing that Berto has done suggests that he deserves FMJ more than Khan. Comparing what Algieri did v Khan and v Pac and concluding that Berto would Ktfo Khan is an extreme stretch. Algieri is a far more technically sound fighter than Berto. Btw, Khan won.

There is plenty not to like about Khan personally, but there is way more to not like about FMJ v Berto. Few believe Khan would defeat FMJ. The vast majority would prefer that fight over FMJ v Berto though.
If you notice from all of my posts, I have never said once that I prefer Berto over the likes of Porter, Brook, Thurman, ect. I have only tried to rationalize Berto because Floyd has earned the right to choose. I do have a big problem with Khan being the guy when he went life and death with Algieri, who is not much more than an amateur. (20 fights, no amateur experience)

I think so many people have heard Khan say he would actually beat Floyd, that people are starting to believe it. Re-watch Berto vs Soto Karass. I think both guys would beat Khan based on his last performance. Berto is a poor choice for the pfp guy, I admit, but like I said before this fight isn't about legacies, isn't about Floyd taking the best available guy. He just beat his nemesis. It is about his last fight that he will try to make exciting, because imo, there is bad blood between Floyd and Berto.

Hell, we don't even know if it is Berto! I have pointed that out at least twice also. Khan will continue to look for the easiest fights, using the excuse he is preparing for the biggest ones. He is targeting Pac now since he is coming off a loss and injury. His goal all along was to fight the best and hopefully be competitive, then retire by 30. I hope Pac snubs him too so he has to actually fight for his legacy.

Re: Put this into perspective

Posted: 31 Jul 2015, 19:28
by Tanzio
Badhusker wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
Badhusker wrote:I think some of you need to watch Khan vs Algieri if you think Khan is a serious threat to Floyd. Then watch Pac vs Algieri.

Khan probably out-points anyone in a 3 round fight. After that his lack of everything shows.

At least Berto has a puncher's chance, and yes, I think Berto would KO Khan.
Your continued attempts to rationalize FMJ v Berto are amusing. Nothing that Berto has done suggests that he deserves FMJ more than Khan. Comparing what Algieri did v Khan and v Pac and concluding that Berto would Ktfo Khan is an extreme stretch. Algieri is a far more technically sound fighter than Berto. Btw, Khan won.

There is plenty not to like about Khan personally, but there is way more to not like about FMJ v Berto. Few believe Khan would defeat FMJ. The vast majority would prefer that fight over FMJ v Berto though.
If you notice from all of my posts, I have never said once that I prefer Berto over the likes of Porter, Brook, Thurman, ect. I have only tried to rationalize Berto because Floyd has earned the right to choose. I do have a big problem with Khan being the guy when he went life and death with Algieri, who is not much more than an amateur. (20 fights, no amateur experience)

I think so many people have heard Khan say he would actually beat Floyd, that people are starting to believe it. Re-watch Berto vs Soto Karass. I think both guys would beat Khan based on his last performance. Berto is a poor choice for the pfp guy, I admit, but like I said before this fight isn't about legacies, isn't about Floyd taking the best available guy. He just beat his nemesis. It is about his last fight that he will try to make exciting, because imo, there is bad blood between Floyd and Berto.

Hell, we don't even know if it is Berto! I have pointed that out at least twice also. Khan will continue to look for the easiest fights, using the excuse he is preparing for the biggest ones. He is targeting Pac now since he is coming off a loss and injury. His goal all along was to fight the best and hopefully be competitive, then retire by 30. I hope Pac snubs him too so he has to actually fight for his legacy.
Fair enough.

FMJ has chosen carefully for a relatively long time now.

Yes, FMJ won the choreographed dance competition with his "nemesis" a few months ago. Kind of like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire settling who the best dancer was in a boxing match in their 60s.