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... turning wilder into the biggest joke of boxing.
the way he managed his KO record is the exact
same he is applying to defend the once so prestigious
wbc belt.

uneblievable. and there is no excuse like "his team",
"his management" or anything alike. if the heavy
weight champ wants things to be different he at
least has some say.

great, great disappointment for those who thought
that after the - like it or not - boring style of wlad
there is a fresh breeze in the heavy weight division.
morning shows the day and the deontay strategy
will always be like that. anyone criticising floyd for
cherry picking when and whom he fights? you have
seen nothing yet. even wlad would have never even
contemplated on defending against the second fury.

forget all "cleaning out the division", he will duck each
and every danger as long as he can. people will talk
of the wlad reign as the good old days. wilder is by no
doubt a nice guy, but he does not have the spirit of a
heavy weight champion.

what. a. joke.

I agree... Wilder is just a joke.

Got to agree; it's truly pathetic to even contemplate defending his title against Hughie Fury.

I actually like Hughie Fury & even though I don't think he stands any chance, I'd love him to beat Wilder just to make a complete mug of him.

When fighters like Wilder choose 'safe' opponents to pad their records, they deserve to get beaten, especially when you're talking about a so-called 'world champion'.

This is insane. Surely a wind up, right? If it's true, then I have no words. None.

Lol this could bitr him on the arse.

Wilder is a joke. Seriously, unless this is meant to be some kind of Segway to fighting Tyson Fury after he loses to Wlad.

I can only assume that Wilder has a poor chin, his people know it, so are doing everything to avoid risking a devastating loss.

I don't know much about Fury, but imo its a better fight than Arreola, who he was considering before. The Povetkin fight is in negotiations, so it will happen early next year providing Wilder wins.

man wrote:http://boxrec.com/boxer/468841

... turning wilder into the biggest joke of boxing.
the way he managed his KO record is the exact
same he is applying to defend the once so prestigious
wbc belt.

uneblievable. and there is no excuse like "his team",
"his management" or anything alike. if the heavy
weight champ wants things to be different he at
least has some say.

great, great disappointment for those who thought
that after the - like it or not - boring style of wlad
there is a fresh breeze in the heavy weight division.
morning shows the day and the deontay strategy
will always be like that. anyone criticising floyd for
cherry picking when and whom he fights? you have
seen nothing yet. even wlad would have never even
contemplated on defending against the second fury.

forget all "cleaning out the division", he will duck each
and every danger as long as he can. people will talk
of the wlad reign as the good old days. wilder is by no
doubt a nice guy, but he does not have the spirit of a
heavy weight champion.

what. a. joke.

Thats said, Hughie beats Wilder.

Tarkus wrote:

man wrote:http://boxrec.com/boxer/468841

... turning wilder into the biggest joke of boxing.
the way he managed his KO record is the exact
same he is applying to defend the once so prestigious
wbc belt.

uneblievable. and there is no excuse like "his team",
"his management" or anything alike. if the heavy
weight champ wants things to be different he at
least has some say.

great, great disappointment for those who thought
that after the - like it or not - boring style of wlad
there is a fresh breeze in the heavy weight division.
morning shows the day and the deontay strategy
will always be like that. anyone criticising floyd for
cherry picking when and whom he fights? you have
seen nothing yet. even wlad would have never even
contemplated on defending against the second fury.

forget all "cleaning out the division", he will duck each
and every danger as long as he can. people will talk
of the wlad reign as the good old days. wilder is by no
doubt a nice guy, but he does not have the spirit of a
heavy weight champion.

what. a. joke.

Thats said, Hughie beats Wilder.

He's only 20 he needs 3 more years experience and improving before he should challenge for a world title, even though his best win (Rudenko) could beat anyone on Wilders record bar Stiverne.

Surely this fight can't happen.I'm a huge Hughie fan but this is too soon.

It's almost like Wilder has looked at the Top 50 and picked the one with the worst KO percentage.

PredatorHayds wrote:Surely this fight can't happen.I'm a huge Hughie fan but this is too soon.

It's almost like Wilder has looked at the Top 50 and picked the one with the worst KO percentage.

I would say that is PRECISELY what his management team have done. Hughies is a feather duster puncher at this stage of his career.

Too much hating on Wilder. Hughie is a far more interesting fight than Arreola. There is only one HW champion and his name is Wlad Klitschko. So I don't even consider Wilder as defending a title.
Sure, I'd rather Wilder fought Povetkin or Pulev, but it's not as though Wilder is the first fighter to take easier fights. As long as Wilder keeps fighting and keeps winning, he is an interesting part of the process.

Tony1244 wrote:Too much hating on Wilder. Hughie is a far more interesting fight than Arreola. There is only one HW champion and his name is Wlad Klitschko. So I don't even consider Wilder as defending a title.
Sure, I'd rather Wilder fought Povetkin or Pulev, but it's not as though Wilder is the first fighter to take easier fights. As long as Wilder keeps fighting and keeps winning, he is an interesting part of the process.

Good on you but he himself struts around like a big shot world champion. Even said his belt was the best one and he calls the shots with Klitschko. So he has no modesty nor he has the courage to act like a champ.

I do agree though its a better fight then, Arreola, Molina, a Polish bloke and the rest of the zombies he is fighting. But as I said on the other thread Wilder wont have the balls to even face Fury. He will back out, mark my words.

Good on you but he himself struts around like a big shot world champion. Even said his belt was the best one and he calls the shots with Klitschko. So he has no modesty nor he has the courage to act like a champ .[/quote]


Donald Trump, Gorgeous George, Ali, I've seen that show before, The password is showmanship. Get them to hate you is just as good as getting them to love you, as long as they are paying attention. Perhaps he thought Hughie would turn the offer down. Now he is the dog that chased the car and got the car.

Channel 5 could barely be bothered to show more than a few minutes of the last fight against the ancient George Arias.

the thing to remember here is that Deontay is not the world champion.....Wlad is

being able to understanding this is crucial

the quality of Wilder's opps is irrelavent....its basically just a random fight.

and should be quite similar to the Molina fight.

it's a joke of a voluntary defense but not worse than what many champs used to defend against
back in the old days when champs fought more often. even so, wilder could fight again before
the end of the year and 4 title fights in 2015 is not bad for a heavyweight champ these days,
especially if it brings him closer to fighting hughie's brother, who is probably the top guy everyone
wants to see wilder fight. the big fights take time to set up. klit and fury are tied up for october.
povetkin has a date for november. wilder dominated stiverne this year. you just aren't going
to see a heavyweight titlist fight top 10 guys more than twice a year, anymore. those days are
gone. i wouldn't be surprised if wilder fought povetkin in the spring.

i disagree with those who say it is just random fight.
it IS a prestigious belt, sanctioning fees are paid and
deontay talks champion. in fact the only reason why i
care who wilder fights is because training and buildup
time is over for him.

someone mentioned showmanship and that even if he
is disliked it is still popularity. i disagree. being disliked
as a villain or even a loudmouth can indeed be a good
thing, but being famous for ducking doesn't help a
boxing career.

Its a joke but its what is expected with Wilder. I remember Hughie said he wanted to become youngest heavyweight champ, i think he needed to win by February in order to beat Tyson. Too late anyway

Tony1244 wrote:Good on you but he himself struts around like a big shot world champion. Even said his belt was the best one and he calls the shots with Klitschko. So he has no modesty nor he has the courage to act like a champ .

Donald Trump, Gorgeous George, Ali, I've seen that show before, The password is showmanship. Get them to hate you is just as good as getting them to love you, as long as they are paying attention. Perhaps he thought Hughie would turn the offer down. Now he is the dog that chased the car and got the car.[/quote]

Deontay is doing neither - they are laughing at him.

It's unbelievable that we have people on here actually defending Wilder's antics.

Tony1244 wrote:Too much hating on Wilder. Hughie is a far more interesting fight than Arreola. There is only one HW champion and his name is Wlad Klitschko. So I don't even consider Wilder as defending a title.
Sure, I'd rather Wilder fought Povetkin or Pulev, but it's not as though Wilder is the first fighter to take easier fights. As long as Wilder keeps fighting and keeps winning, he is an interesting part of the process.

First, even if Hughie, a 20 year old novice who has only been a pro for two years and can't punch, were more interesting than Arreola that doesn't make him anything other than a poor choice. A C-level fighter is probably a better choice than a D-level fighter, but it should be obvious that it doesn't make them an acceptable opponent at this level. Perhaps Wilder's team are aware that some will fall for the "C>D therefore C acceptable" nonsense and thus mention all these markedly dross opponents so a somewhat less dross opponent (though I'm not sure if Hughie is actually a better opponent given his lack of pop and obvious inexperience) gets defended by people like you.

Second, it's true that Wilder isn't the first fighter to take easier fights, but so what? Someone who commits murder today certainly won't be the first to do so, so should we go out of our way to defend them as a result? As boxing fan I want to see good match-ups, and since it looks like Wilder yet again won't be involved in one I think it's fair to criticize what seems to be his opponent choice, especially when he hardly has a standout out resume that would make a weaker opponent less of an issue.

Third, I agree that some people are overly harsh on Wilder, but there are also people who subtly try to defend him when I don't think they should by acknowledging that his opposition hasn't been great when the thrust of their post is actually a defense of his match-making using weak arguments, such as that other people fought bad opposition too, that Hughie isn't as bad as some others would be, and that he may fight decent opponents in the future and all should be forgotten. In fact, for years people have been excusing his opposition on the basis that it would soon get much better and that all the dreck he fought would thus be excusable, but going on 7 years and 34 fights he's still bottom-feeding other than a very small amount of exceptions. For an example of this ongoing 'I'll give him a pass if the next is good" reasoning, when the Molina fight seemed likely you posted this:

I got on here to write basically the same thing you did. Wilder DOES deserve a pass here, as long as he doesn't make this a habit. IF, Wilder's next fight after this is Povetkin, Wlad, or another legitimate top 10er, all should be forgiven.

You note that he deserves a pass IF he doesn't make a habit of it, but even though he's been making a habit throughout his career and it seems like his next opponent will feed that habit, here you are defending him again and it seems to me like you think he should get another pass. Other posters, such as the one you were agreeing with, made similar points about Molina being acceptable because it was his first defense and other champs had soft first defenses, and they too have come out to defend him yet again even though it's now his second defense and he doesn't seem to be taking one those top opponents that would apparently make it all better.

Baby Face Finster wrote:It's unbelievable that we have people on here actually defending Wilder's antics.

Since you are a big Wlad fan, would you say that after Wlad beat Chris Byrd for the WBO belt, Wlad's first, that Wilder is taking on his first defenses with opponents kind of like Derrick Jefferson or Charles Shufford? Wlad was something like 35-1 at the time he fought them for his first defenses, and had been KO'd by a guy with a 24-13-1 record. Sometimes....boxers learn and get better.

The point is, Wilder has had one defense, and like it or not is a World Champ. The best World Champ at the weight? Remains to be seen. He has already agreed to fight Povetkin, which is currently being negotiated. He will fight him, don't worry.

I'd say Jefferson (memorable KTFO of young Maurice Harris and battering Izon prior to being stopped) and Shufford (win over Lamon Brewster two fights before) were better opponents than Molina and Fury/Wawryzk. Molina was destroyed in one in his only fight with a top 25 opponent, had already been stopped twice in the first round, and hadn't beaten anyone better than Tony Grano; Hughie has beaten pretty much no one, can't punch, and is just 20 with 2 years of pro experience; and Wawryzk has been dropped by a 1-14 (0) opponent, dropped hard and badly staggered by a Euro-level journeyman, is coming off a serious car crash which led to long inactivity, has never beaten anyone in at least the top 40, and was destroyed in his only fight with someone generally recognized as a good opponent. I'd also say it's clear that Monte Barrett and Chris Byrd >> Malik Scott and Bermane Stiverne in terms of their pre-title and title winning opponents.

Now Wilder's match-making could become consistently more ambitious and perhaps he'll eventually make a habit of fighting pretty much the best opposition available like Wlad has, but that's far from a given and I think it's absurd to hold off criticism of his poor opposition until it's apparent whether that will happen or not. Povetkin was similar to Wilder in that he was regulalry and rightfully critcized for a period due to fighting poor opposition (though he showed more early ambition than Wilder) and seemingly avoiding Wlad, but recently he's gained a lot more respect with a string of wins over respectable opposition and a willingness to get in the ring with the best in the division. I don't see why Wilder couldn't win over the so-called haters in a comparable manner if he's and his team are willing to step up and turn that into action.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Good on you but he himself struts around like a big shot world champion. Even said his belt was the best one and he calls the shots with Klitschko. So he has no modesty nor he has the courage to act like a champ .

Donald Trump, Gorgeous George, Ali, I've seen that show before, The password is showmanship. Get them to hate you is just as good as getting them to love you, as long as they are paying attention. Perhaps he thought Hughie would turn the offer down. Now he is the dog that chased the car and got the car.

Deontay is doing neither - they are laughing at him.[/quote]


Who are "they?" A lot of famous people are laughed at. The questions are, are they winning, are they taking money to the bank. Deontae is likely going to have 2 or so more easy fights and than fight Wlad for all the marbles in 2016. Let's see how that pans out. Someone quoted me, when someone else said it. But I'll live through it.

Badhusker wrote:I don't know much about Fury, but imo its a better fight than Arreola, who he was considering before. The Povetkin fight is in negotiations, so it will happen early next year providing Wilder wins.

Agree.
I don't know anything about Fury either but I know I don't want to see Arreola vs Wilder period.
Any opponent is a better option than Arreola.
Fury may be a no-hoper but unlike Arreola he will probably show up in shape.