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When bringing up floyd fighting GGG a month or so ago I had a lot of replays along the line of GGG hasn't eared a fight against floyd, can any of the floyd fanatics on here explain to me how berto has earned this fight, was it his mediocre record of late, was it his drug scandal, something floyd supposedly hates, nothing about this fight is right, the self proclaimed best ever taking on the 20th ranked, tell me please how GGG has done less to earn this fight than berto

Berto hasn't "earned" the fight with Mayweather. I have said before this fight isn't about who earned the shot, or who deserves the shot. It isn't about cementing legacies either. Floyd picked Berto imo because he comes to fight, and will make it a much more exciting fight than Floyd's last. As far as we know, depending how it goes with Berto, it may very well be Floyd's last. Anything can happen at his age.

As far as GGG, does anyone honestly think Floyd would get full credit if he fought and beat GGG when he is drained down to 154? No doubt they would demand a rehydration clause to 160 as well. Floyd basically fights at his walking around weight, or very close to it. Why doesn't GGG do the same? Why isn't that demanded of him? If he did the same as Floyd he would be fighting regularly at light heavy. Since Pacquiao is a couple years younger, maybe he could fight GGG at 154?

Pacquaio has only fought margarita at 154 and stated after that fight he wouldn't venture there again if you recall, floyd holds a belt at 154 and you mentioned that in your opinion floyd picked berto because he comes to fight and would make it an entertaining fight, don't you think GGG comes to fight? Don't you think it would be more entertaining than the Berto fight, don't you think it would sell at least 4 times the PPV than the Berto fight, all of these are positives, you said fighting GGG he wouldn't get the credit he deserved, what credit will he get for fighting a fighter ranked 20th, with a checkered drug cheating past, obviously less than fighting GGG, have you any other points apart from those ridiculous ones you just put forward

Read the first part of my post again, maybe it will sink in.

Badhusker wrote:Berto hasn't "earned" the fight with Mayweather. I have said before this fight isn't about who earned the shot, or who deserves the shot. It isn't about cementing legacies either. Floyd picked Berto imo because he comes to fight, and will make it a much more exciting fight than Floyd's last. As far as we know, depending how it goes with Berto, it may very well be Floyd's last. Anything can happen at his age.

As far as GGG, does anyone honestly think Floyd would get full credit if he fought and beat GGG when he is drained down to 154? No doubt they would demand a rehydration clause to 160 as well. Floyd basically fights at his walking around weight, or very close to it. Why doesn't GGG do the same? Why isn't that demanded of him? If he did the same as Floyd he would be fighting regularly at light heavy. Since Pacquiao is a couple years younger, maybe he could fight GGG at 154?

Why don't Floyd fight Lara at 154 then?

Badhusker wrote:Read the first part of my post again, maybe it will sink in.

What's the topic, you gave reasons why you think floyd picked berto and I referred them back to GGG being a better choice, which of those 2 fight would you rather see and please don't start on the floyd has earned an easy one, he's paid extraordinary well for fighting elite, not washed up worn fighters

Pureist wrote:When bringing up floyd fighting GGG a month or so ago I had a lot of replays along the line of GGG hasn't eared a fight against floyd, can any of the floyd fanatics on here explain to me how berto has earned this fight, was it his mediocre record of late, was it his drug scandal, something floyd supposedly hates, nothing about this fight is right, the self proclaimed best ever taking on the 20th ranked, tell me please how GGG has done less to earn this fight than berto

Berto earned it by being his friend, this is not the first buddy fight in boxing.

Is that the only thing that came to mind kbb, I'm getting the feeling your a little embarrassed by this matchup

Pureist wrote:Is that the only thing that came to mind kbb, I'm getting the feeling your a little embarrassed by this matchup

You know, guys like you Pureist are complete dogshit. You contribute nothing other than pissing and moaning about your hero Pacquaio getting his ass handed to him or begging, pleading, for someone to beat Mayweather. Some of us will be here post May/Pac, but hope you disappear.

There is more to boxing other than Mayweather and Pacquiao.

And this is why what you write has no relevance, never said pacquaio won, I said it was a lot closer than the judges scorecards, not one of you nuthuggers could prove the score count wrong, even after prompting you all with even 1 round, pacquaio isn't my hero, he has fought below opposition as much as floyd, the difference is I call a spade a spade where you clowns just defend, defend and defend till the end, this upcoming fight is a joke, he hasn't earned the right to fight someone 3 or more levels below, that's an excuse just like when you put forward that fighters haven't earned the right to fight floyd, you clowns are so hypocritical and the funniest bit is that your so lacking in intelligence that you don't even realise it, that message to kbb wasn't having a go at him, he's been very quiet about this fight which is very unusual, so I'm thinking he's thinking along the lines of most intelligent people, that I'd rather watch 2 crows having a scrap with each other

Pureist wrote:When bringing up floyd fighting GGG a month or so ago I had a lot of replays along the line of GGG hasn't eared a fight against floyd, can any of the floyd fanatics on here explain to me how berto has earned this fight, was it his mediocre record of late, was it his drug scandal, something floyd supposedly hates, nothing about this fight is right, the self proclaimed best ever taking on the 20th ranked, tell me please how GGG has done less to earn this fight than berto

Well mate I have a theory GGG hasn't show any sign's that he is slipping yet or past his prime look out then

Badhusker wrote:Berto hasn't "earned" the fight with Mayweather. I have said before this fight isn't about who earned the shot, or who deserves the shot. It isn't about cementing legacies either. Floyd picked Berto imo because he comes to fight, and will make it a much more exciting fight than Floyd's last. As far as we know, depending how it goes with Berto, it may very well be Floyd's last. Anything can happen at his age.

As far as GGG, does anyone honestly think Floyd would get full credit if he fought and beat GGG when he is drained down to 154? No doubt they would demand a rehydration clause to 160 as well. Floyd basically fights at his walking around weight, or very close to it. Why doesn't GGG do the same? Why isn't that demanded of him? If he did the same as Floyd he would be fighting regularly at light heavy. Since Pacquiao is a couple years younger, maybe he could fight GGG at 154?

Many other fighters that could make it exciting and more interesting than Berto:

Bradley always in shape and comes to fight: "Oh he's with Arum" Well..

Porter always comes to fight

Thurman always comes to fight

Matthyssee always come to fight

Floyd could've even picked Broner

No way to justify this as whatever Berto has, I can name many fighters within Floyd's weight classes that has it in spades.

Badhusker wrote:does anyone honestly think Floyd would get full credit if he fought and beat GGG when he is drained down to 154?

does anyone honestly believe this would be
seen by anyone different than an utterly brave
move to take on the biggest knock out artist
in the world?

does anyone honestly believe it would kill GGG,
who always weighed in between 159 and 161,
to make 154 for the by far biggest fight of his
entire career?

I really wish this "Earning a fight with Floyd" nonsense would just stop. Floyd has never fought an opponent because that opponent "earned" it. Floyd will only take the fights he can win. He'll wait 5 years until he knows that he can beat a fighter before signing on to fight them (Manny). The selection of Floyd's opponent is a careful, meticulously researched decision that has nothing to do with "earning" it. Name one #1 contender that he's given a shot to?

Get the feeling this is a "keep busy" fight for Floyd while he waits for one of the other more deserving guys to really stand out from the rest, potentially making his 50th a marquee event

Can someone tell me when his last mandatory defence was?

caldo2025 wrote:I really wish this "Earning a fight with Floyd" nonsense would just stop. Floyd has never fought an opponent because that opponent "earned" it. Floyd will only take the fights he can win. He'll wait 5 years until he knows that he can beat a fighter before signing on to fight them (Manny). The selection of Floyd's opponent is a careful, meticulously researched decision that has nothing to do with "earning" it. Name one #1 contender that he's given a shot to?

Did Floyd really wait 5 years for Manny or was it due to Pacquiao refusing to take the tests??

What happened when Mosley was asked to face Floyd after beating Vargas the second time around?? Why didn't Arum give Floyd the fight with Oscar back when Floyd was calling him out? Do you remember the responses they gave to Floyd for calling them out??

So Hatton, Corrales and numerous others I can go through and select did not earn the fight with Floyd according to you?? I guess facing a guy with mostly KO's on his ledger is considered by you to be "careful and meticulously researched decision".

Wow, all the stupidity in your post really only makes you look like a Hater and not a REAL boxing fan.

KBB wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I really wish this "Earning a fight with Floyd" nonsense would just stop. Floyd has never fought an opponent because that opponent "earned" it. Floyd will only take the fights he can win. He'll wait 5 years until he knows that he can beat a fighter before signing on to fight them (Manny). The selection of Floyd's opponent is a careful, meticulously researched decision that has nothing to do with "earning" it. Name one #1 contender that he's given a shot to?

Did Floyd really wait 5 years for Manny or was it due to Pacquiao refusing to take the tests??

What happened when Mosley was asked to face Floyd after beating Vargas the second time around?? Why didn't Arum give Floyd the fight with Oscar back when Floyd was calling him out? Do you remember the responses they gave to Floyd for calling them out??

So Hatton, Corrales and numerous others I can go through and select did not earn the fight with Floyd according to you?? I guess facing a guy with mostly KO's on his ledger is considered by you to be "careful and meticulously researched decision".

Wow, all the stupidity in your post really only makes you look like a Hater and not a REAL boxing fan.

Are you ever objective when it comes to Floyd?

Impractical Poster wrote:Are you ever objective when it comes to Floyd?

I don't recall asking you anything at all but to answer your question I've stated the following and if what I said below isn't objective enough for you then you know what you can do:

I believe Mayweather lost to Castillo in their first fight, I also believe Zab legitimately knocked Floyd down in their fight but it wasn't scored, I also think that outside of the ring that Mayweather isn't a decent person who has done some horrible things and said some as well but I also believe that inside of the ring he is the best.

If that isn't objectivity then I don't know what is. Next time instead of questioning me, why don't you allow him to answer for himself.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Are you ever objective when it comes to Floyd?

I don't recall asking you anything at all but to answer your question I've stated the following and if what I said below isn't objective enough for you then you know what you can do:

I believe Mayweather lost to Castillo in their first fight, I also believe Zab legitimately knocked Floyd down in their fight but it wasn't scored, I also think that outside of the ring that Mayweather isn't a decent person who has done some horrible things and said some as well but I also believe that inside of the ring he is the best.

If that isn't objectivity then I don't know what is. Next time instead of questioning me, why don't you allow him to answer for himself.

Forgive me then. I agree with you on all counts above. But, I do not give Floyd a pass on this choice of opponent. Don't care if it's a buddy fight. Floyd has stated on many occasions that he is the GOAT and better than all the rest. So, take on some challenges. Especially if this is his last fight.

This is not just a buddy fight. It is a fight that makes everyone aware that he has no interest in boxing anymore. He is fulfilling his contract with the easiest opponent he can find while giving Berto a payday. The fight stinks. I hope it does horrible numbers.

Impractical Poster wrote:Forgive me then. I agree with you on all counts above. But, I do not give Floyd a pass on this choice of opponent. Don't care if it's a buddy fight. Floyd has stated on many occasions that he is the GOAT and better than all the rest. So, take on some challenges. Especially if this is his last fight.

This is not just a buddy fight. It is a fight that makes everyone aware that he has no interest in boxing anymore. He is fulfilling his contract with the easiest opponent he can find while giving Berto a payday. The fight stinks. I hope it does horrible numbers.

I laugh at all you clowns who think that because I like Floyd as a fighter that I somehow agree with this fight, I said it was a buddy fight but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Yes, Berto stinks as an opponent but it's his friend and who are we (the armchair boxing public) to decide who a fighter faces and who he doesn't??

Y'all some hypocrites because I didn't see any crying on Leo Santa Cruz's choice of an opponent, where were the 100 threads against him?

How about Danny Garcia hooking up Rod Salka, where were the 100 threads against him?? And for any of you to question my objectivity then you really need to check yourself first.

You guys act as if Floyd isn't or hasn't challenged himself, he fought and beat Mosley easily, was he not a challenge? And how is it that DLH was a challenge for MP but not one for Floyd to overcome? Was Corrales undefeated at the time and far bigger not a challenge for Floyd? What about facing Castillo twice? What about beating Maidana twice even though some of you thought that crap he was doing was "boxing" and that he had actually beaten Floyd?

I guess enough is never enough when you are on top, all we have today is biased fans who have no objectivity whatsoever, only their emotional hate to guide or is it "misguide" their ignorant and hateful thoughts.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Forgive me then. I agree with you on all counts above. But, I do not give Floyd a pass on this choice of opponent. Don't care if it's a buddy fight. Floyd has stated on many occasions that he is the GOAT and better than all the rest. So, take on some challenges. Especially if this is his last fight.

This is not just a buddy fight. It is a fight that makes everyone aware that he has no interest in boxing anymore. He is fulfilling his contract with the easiest opponent he can find while giving Berto a payday. The fight stinks. I hope it does horrible numbers.

I laugh at all you clowns who think that because I like Floyd as a fighter that I somehow agree with this fight, I said it was a buddy fight but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Yes, Berto stinks as an opponent but it's his friend and who are we (the armchair boxing public) to decide who a fighter faces and who he doesn't??

Y'all some hypocrites because I didn't see any crying on Leo Santa Cruz's choice of an opponent, where were the 100 threads against him?

How about Danny Garcia hooking up Rod Salka, where were the 100 threads against him?? And for any of you to question my objectivity then you really need to check yourself first.

You guys act as if Floyd isn't or hasn't challenged himself, he fought and beat Mosley easily, was he not a challenge? And how is it that DLH was a challenge for MP but not one for Floyd to overcome? Was Corrales undefeated at the time and far bigger not a challenge for Floyd? What about facing Castillo twice? What about beating Maidana twice even though some of you thought that crap he was doing was "boxing" and that he had actually beaten Floyd?

I guess enough is never enough when you are on top, all we have today is biased fans who have no objectivity whatsoever, only their emotional hate to guide or is it "misguide" their ignorant and hateful thoughts.

You tout the friend fight thing pretty excessively though...

Let's not compare Floyd with Garcia now...

I give Floyd credit for fighting Castillo, Corrales, Canelo, Pacquiao... Those were excellent wins. He is the best defensive boxer I have ever seen since I have been following the sport. I just don't like most of his choices of opponents. I would have loved to had seen him take all the top guys in the division when he should have. And I'm not even saying he would have lost. And I am not saying go up in weight either. Just fight all the top guys in your division when they are the top guys. But, this isn't the UFC.

Stop pawning this off as just a buddy fight. It's not just a buddy fight, it's a cop out.

A Buddy Fight. I guess we should expect some kissing and butt slapping when there in the clinches. The ref wants to break them up but they push the ref away.

This is the whole issue, it's a buddy fight, he hasn't earned it, he uses PEDS, how about I'm going to fight GGG because he could make 154 and is the best possible opponent out there at this particular time, there is always an excuse, if your wearing TBE badge and you pinned it on yourself, then you have put certain expectations on yourself, Berto does not meet those expectations, not even remotely close, I will ask again, who was the last mandatory floyd fought?

Impractical Poster wrote:You tout the friend fight thing pretty excessively though...

Let's not compare Floyd with Garcia now...

I give Floyd credit for fighting Castillo, Corrales, Canelo, Pacquiao... Those were excellent wins. He is the best defensive boxer I have ever seen since I have been following the sport. I just don't like most of his choices of opponents. I would have loved to had seen him take all the top guys in the division when he should have. And I'm not even saying he would have lost. And I am not saying go up in weight either. Just fight all the top guys in your division when they are the top guys. But, this isn't the UFC.

Stop pawning this off as just a buddy fight. It's not just a buddy fight, it's a cop out.

It should be obvious to everyone that this is just a buddy fight, and I'm not touting anything; I already said it was a crap fight but that's not enough for you guys to continue whining and crying like little bitches about a fight that is going to take place and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you don't like it then it is a simple matter of just not watching it and then you'd have nothing else to wet your kotex about, you can't fight everybody.

Did Pacquiao fight Thurman, Maidana, Porter, Khan or anyone else at the top of the WW division outside of Bradley and JMM recently??

No!! So why bother with Floyd when fighting him is no worse than fighting Rios.