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In the Middle East, early 2016.

Bob Arum wrote: This kid Amir Khan keeps shooting his mouth off about Manny Pacquiao. I can arrange for Khan to fight Pacquiao. Amir Khan has been begging Mayweather for a fight and now he can get a major fight. I'm not a hard guy to deal with. I'm not going to mess them around.

That's a farce [Mayweather's bout with Berto]. Mayweather should have fought Khan next. It would have been an interesting fight. One thing's for sure, Pacquiao is not ducking Khan. Pacquiao will fight him. I don't know if Khan will fight Pacquiao, but it's available.

Manny's not going to fight this year. He'll fight early next year and probably in the Middle East. Vegas is a possibility, but more likely in the Middle East. It won't be in Dubai but it will be in the Middle East. If not, we'll do it in Vegas.

If Pac uses his Pac-pellets again he will destroy Khan in a couple of rounds.
If not Pac still wins but it will be a late ko.

Ugh.....

Whether it happens or not, which I doubt, Khan should take a good fight this fall like porter or Thurman. He won't though.

i would prefer pac-thurman or pac-brook, but pac-khan is also good for me.

Legit match if not choreographed.

Chepppaaa wrote:i would prefer pac-thurman or pac-brook, but pac-khan is also good for me.

Pac's been matched against enough runners lately, i certainly wouldn't want to see Thurman do the same. Brook or Khan have the makings of exciting fights. Pac vs Brook i think would be very competitive. Pac KO's Khan pretty easy.

Khan would get stopped in 2.

Manny WILL land hard in the first two rounds and that'll be enough.

Probably be a good fight Pac-man has declined enough now for Khan to take advantage?

Rexob wrote:Probably be a good fight Pac-man has declined enough now for Khan to take advantage?

Re watch both Khan and Pac vs Algieri. Pac would win, but they may be too good of friends to see a KO.

That was a year ago and with Pac-Man being even older when/If he does fight Khan in another year, Manny isn't going to get any better, and will probably be quite a bit more shop worn from now, so will be ripe for the Peaking Khan to get a win. It's all about timing in boxing and I think this will make Khan look better than he is with a win over a shot Manny.

Rexob wrote:That was a year ago and with Pac-Man being even older when/If he does fight Khan in another year, Manny isn't going to get any better, and will probably be quite a bit more shop worn from now, so will be ripe for the Peaking Khan to get a win. It's all about timing in boxing and I think this will make Khan look better than he is with a win over a shot Manny.

I think Khan has already peaked.I can not see him ever get any better.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Khan would get stopped in 2.

Manny WILL land hard in the first two rounds and that'll be enough.

Manny hasn't done that to anyone in a long time.

Khan is brittle I know, but I don't think Manny hits that hard at 147 any more.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Khan would get stopped in 2.

Manny WILL land hard in the first two rounds and that'll be enough.

Manny hasn't done that to anyone in a long time.

Khan is brittle I know, but I don't think Manny hits that hard at 147 any more.

Pac flattened Algieri for the count of 20, who as a common opponent, just walked Khan down for 12 rounds.

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Khan would get stopped in 2.

Manny WILL land hard in the first two rounds and that'll be enough.

Manny hasn't done that to anyone in a long time.

Khan is brittle I know, but I don't think Manny hits that hard at 147 any more.

Pac flattened Algieri for the count of 20, who as a common opponent, just walked Khan down for 12 rounds.

WTF you on about - it went the distance!

jamesmcdonnell wrote: WTF you on about - it went the distance!

I know it did, but corrupt or incompetent refereeing doesn't take away from the fact that Pacquiao flattened Algieri.

https://youtu.be/60s_APrcyxA?t=45s

Algieri hits the canvas with 1:22 on the clock, doesn't get to his feet til 1:10 and isn't ready to continue until 1:02. That's a clean 'Knock Out' all day.

Not to mention Algieri visited the canvas 6 times.

Pacquiao is no Tommy Hearns but he's still among the top few punchers in the current Welterweight scene, and carries more than enough firepower to get Khan out of there who was crawling around the canvas at the hands of Diaz not so long ago.

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: WTF you on about - it went the distance!

I know it did, but corrupt or incompetent refereeing doesn't take away from the fact that Pacquiao flattened Algieri.

https://youtu.be/60s_APrcyxA?t=45s

Algieri hits the canvas with 1:22 on the clock, doesn't get to his feet til 1:10 and isn't ready to continue until 1:02. That's a clean 'Knock Out' all day.

Not to mention Algieri visited the canvas 6 times.

Pacquiao is no Tommy Hearns but he's still among the top few punchers in the current Welterweight scene, and carries more than enough firepower to get Khan out of there who was crawling around the canvas at the hands of Diaz not so long ago.

A fighter is only obliged to get to his feet within the REFEREE'S count. It is very rare that the count begins as soon as a fighter hits the deck, in fact almost never. Algieri was clearly in a condition to continue, his eyes were clear, and he followed the referees count, taking advantage of the full period allowed. I'm pretty confident he could have gotten up sooner. The fact that Pacquaio had him down 6 times indicates that he lacks finishing power.

I agree Pacman still hits, but he's not a concussive puncher any longer, I'd say there's quite a few guys hit harder than him, arguably Garcia for one.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: WTF you on about - it went the distance!

I know it did, but corrupt or incompetent refereeing doesn't take away from the fact that Pacquiao flattened Algieri.

https://youtu.be/60s_APrcyxA?t=45s

Algieri hits the canvas with 1:22 on the clock, doesn't get to his feet til 1:10 and isn't ready to continue until 1:02. That's a clean 'Knock Out' all day.

Not to mention Algieri visited the canvas 6 times.

Pacquiao is no Tommy Hearns but he's still among the top few punchers in the current Welterweight scene, and carries more than enough firepower to get Khan out of there who was crawling around the canvas at the hands of Diaz not so long ago.

A fighter is only obliged to get to his feet within the REFEREE'S count. It is very rare that the count begins as soon as a fighter hits the deck, in fact almost never. Algieri was clearly in a condition to continue, his eyes were clear, and he followed the referees count, taking advantage of the full period allowed. I'm pretty confident he could have gotten up sooner. The fact that Pacquaio had him down 6 times indicates that he lacks finishing power.

I agree Pacman still hits, but he's not a concussive puncher any longer, I'd say there's quite a few guys hit harder than him, arguably Garcia for one.

The count is supposed to begin from the moment the fighter touches down and it's usually the ringside ref/timekeeper who begins the count, often you'll see a ref in the ring turn around to the timekeeper to see where the count is at before they start counting over the fighter, it's very common to see the ref start from "2" or "3" after taking the lead from the timekeeper.

The count of 10 is also based on 10 seconds. Ref's are trained that the speed of the count is roughly per second. Whenever a "long count" controversy comes up, the count is compared to seconds. Don King tried to have Tyson loss to Buster Douglas overturned because the ref's count on Buster was long, with Buster having spent 13 seconds down.

Pacquiao vs Algieri was a KO. The fact that Algieri was given 20 seconds, (double the allocated time) to recover means that boxing fans should unofficially consider it a KO. A boxer must be ready to continue by the count of 10, not simply get back to his feet. Malik Scott vs Dereck Chisora has a similar controversy with Scott springing up to his fight right on 10 even though he seemed fine from around the count of 5. But the rules are, you must be up & ready within the 10 count. It's undisputable that Algieri took 12 seconds to get back to his feet and was given a further 8 by the ref before he instructed box on, giving Algieri 20 seconds to recover. With the fight being in Macau my opinion is there was some gambling fix at play on the outcome of the fight.

Yes, and Don King failed, because the fighter in Question, Douglas, did all that is required, which is to beat the count of the referee.

You might wish the result to have been a Pacman KO, but I'm afraid it isn't, and nor should it be.

The onus is not on the fighter to get up within 10 seconds of being knocked on his arse, it is to beat the count as doled out by the referee, you are in error. The '10 count' is counted by the referee, who is aided by the timekeeper.

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

I know it did, but corrupt or incompetent refereeing doesn't take away from the fact that Pacquiao flattened Algieri.

https://youtu.be/60s_APrcyxA?t=45s

Algieri hits the canvas with 1:22 on the clock, doesn't get to his feet til 1:10 and isn't ready to continue until 1:02. That's a clean 'Knock Out' all day.

Not to mention Algieri visited the canvas 6 times.

Pacquiao is no Tommy Hearns but he's still among the top few punchers in the current Welterweight scene, and carries more than enough firepower to get Khan out of there who was crawling around the canvas at the hands of Diaz not so long ago.

A fighter is only obliged to get to his feet within the REFEREE'S count. It is very rare that the count begins as soon as a fighter hits the deck, in fact almost never. Algieri was clearly in a condition to continue, his eyes were clear, and he followed the referees count, taking advantage of the full period allowed. I'm pretty confident he could have gotten up sooner. The fact that Pacquaio had him down 6 times indicates that he lacks finishing power.

I agree Pacman still hits, but he's not a concussive puncher any longer, I'd say there's quite a few guys hit harder than him, arguably Garcia for one.

The count is supposed to begin from the moment the fighter touches down and it's usually the ringside ref/timekeeper who begins the count, often you'll see a ref in the ring turn around to the timekeeper to see where the count is at before they start counting over the fighter, it's very common to see the ref start from "2" or "3" after taking the lead from the timekeeper.

The count of 10 is also based on 10 seconds. Ref's are trained that the speed of the count is roughly per second. Whenever a "long count" controversy comes up, the count is compared to seconds. Don King tried to have Tyson loss to Buster Douglas overturned because the ref's count on Buster was long, with Buster having spent 13 seconds down.

Pacquiao vs Algieri was a KO. The fact that Algieri was given 20 seconds, (double the allocated time) to recover means that boxing fans should unofficially consider it a KO. A boxer must be ready to continue by the count of 10, not simply get back to his feet. Malik Scott vs Dereck Chisora has a similar controversy with Scott springing up to his fight right on 10 even though he seemed fine from around the count of 5. But the rules are, you must be up & ready within the 10 count. It's undisputable that Algieri took 12 seconds to get back to his feet and was given a further 8 by the ref before he instructed box on, giving Algieri 20 seconds to recover. With the fight being in Macau my opinion is there was some gambling fix at play on the outcome of the fight.

You are an absolute Pacroid. There is no Floydiot on this forum who is more delusional than you are.

If you are searching for a fix, look no farther than the choreographed dance farce your heartthrob took part in a few months ago.

Agreed, what utter horseshit. The referee decides the count, and the Referee is free to assess the fighter following a knockdown to see if he is in a fit state to continue, the idea that this was some kind of special treatment is bogus in the extreme. Face it, Pacman couldn't stop Algieri despite hitting him with many clubbing shots, yet Garcia smashed him up.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Agreed, what utter horseshit. The referee decides the count, and the Referee is free to assess the fighter following a knockdown to see if he is in a fit state to continue, the idea that this was some kind of special treatment is bogus in the extreme. Face it, Pacman couldn't stop Algieri despite hitting him with many clubbing shots, yet Garcia smashed him up.

You can't argue with the video. Down for 12, restarted after 20. Thats indisputable.

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Agreed, what utter horseshit. The referee decides the count, and the Referee is free to assess the fighter following a knockdown to see if he is in a fit state to continue, the idea that this was some kind of special treatment is bogus in the extreme. Face it, Pacman couldn't stop Algieri despite hitting him with many clubbing shots, yet Garcia smashed him up.

You can't argue with the video. Down for 12, restarted after 20. Thats indisputable.

As I said, that doesn't make the result null and void.

How can you prove that Algieri wouldn't have made it up 2 seconds earlier? His requirement is to beat the ref's count, nothing more.

Whatever you think, that is the in the rules of the sport.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Agreed, what utter horseshit. The referee decides the count, and the Referee is free to assess the fighter following a knockdown to see if he is in a fit state to continue, the idea that this was some kind of special treatment is bogus in the extreme. Face it, Pacman couldn't stop Algieri despite hitting him with many clubbing shots, yet Garcia smashed him up.

You can't argue with the video. Down for 12, restarted after 20. Thats indisputable.

As I said, that doesn't make the result null and void.

How can you prove that Algieri wouldn't have made it up 2 seconds earlier? His requirement is to beat the ref's count, nothing more.

Whatever you think, that is the in the rules of the sport.

It doesn't no, but it was a slow count, that's undeniable, and relating to the point at hand re:pac's punching power, my point is this; he had enough fire power to knock Algieri down 6 times, with 1 of them a knock-out (not counted due to an incompetent or corrupt ref), and hurt Algieri significantly more than Provodnikov did. All evidence enough that Pacquiao still hits hard enough to stop glass-jaw Khan.

Make

Khan vs Brook at Wembley

Pacquiao vs Matthysse in Vegas


Heck I wouldn't mind a Pacquiao vs Vargas fight either