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HomicideHenry wrote:I always say of Toney.... that he had more talent than Roy Jones, and that he was more skilled than Hopkins... but James Toney got in the way of James Toney. He was a masterful boxer regardless of what weight class he chose to fight. He was a throwback to the "complete" professionals like Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. I could only think, had he been in an earlier era where the money wasn't as great, etc. he would of stayed hungrier (pardon the pun, we all know Toney's battle with the fridge) for alot longer, and therefore would of been an even greater fighter than he is remembered.

Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

yancey wrote:
Of the styles of boxing, which style would describe him best?

Boxer-puncher?

Also, at what weight was he at his absolute best?

(I had lost complete interest in boxing during the Toney era and don't know much about him. Lately I've been studying him on youtube. Pretty impressed, to say the least)

HomicideHenry wrote:Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

yancey wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I always say of Toney.... that he had more talent than Roy Jones, and that he was more skilled than Hopkins... but James Toney got in the way of James Toney. He was a masterful boxer regardless of what weight class he chose to fight. He was a throwback to the "complete" professionals like Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. I could only think, had he been in an earlier era where the money wasn't as great, etc. he would of stayed hungrier (pardon the pun, we all know Toney's battle with the fridge) for alot longer, and therefore would of been an even greater fighter than he is remembered.

Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

Of the styles of boxing, which style would describe him best?

Boxer-puncher?

Also, at what weight was he at his absolute best?

(I had lost complete interest in boxing during the Toney era and don't know much about him. Lately I've been studying him on youtube. Pretty impressed, to say the least)

dr_devious wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

James Toney never fought Bernard Hopkins.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

dr_devious wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

James Toney never fought Bernard Hopkins.

He didn't say that he did.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I didn't say that he said that he did.

BoxBuzz wrote:so when he "lost to them" that was referring to the loss in the ring to Jones...and the loss at the poker game with Hopkins I guess.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

dr_devious wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

James Toney never fought Bernard Hopkins.

He didn't say that he did.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

dr_devious wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Instead... we remember him now as a guy whose staying on for too long... and we remember him more for his short comings, than his successes. But for my money, he was superior to Jones and Hopkins, though he lost to them. In terms of legacy, his record is far richer than both men's. In terms of legacy, he's greater p4p than both men. In terms of legacy, he's the better fighter because of his success at higher weights. I'd say, in alot of ways, he reminds me of Archie Moore in that latter regard. Jones failed at Cruiserweight, and only fought once at heavyweight. Hopkins, though becoming a champion at LHW, doesn't come close to the multiple titles won in various divisions like James.

James Toney never fought Bernard Hopkins.

He didn't say that he did.

Seamus wrote:His achievements should easily put him in the IBHOF, but despite his solid chin, counterpunching ability, and strength on the inside, he is a little overrated at present. He's nowhere near the top of any weight classes, other than the ones with short histories. Put him in with a guy with a jab a little movement, stamina, and a decent chin and he'd be in trouble.

Datsue wrote:

Seamus wrote: But yes, Toney attracts lots of plaudits from people who like to ignore that you can be tricky, tough, "old-skool" etc etc & yet also stylistically vulnerable to losing matches against the right type of fighter.
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Boxerbeetle wrote:He absolutely dominated Holyfield, I couldn't believe how easily Toney handled & stopped him.

palooka wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:He absolutely dominated Holyfield, I couldn't believe how easily Toney handled & stopped him.

Neither could I and has anyone else handled Evander so easily?