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Deontay Wilder is the "wbc heavy weight champion" defending his title against bum of the month club. Evading Wladimir Klisthko, Tyson Fury and other top heavyweights. He punch hard yes, chin suspect, Quality of opposition is a joke. He might or not be the future of the heavyweights until he faces real opposition. Staggered by Molina, other contenders they saw he is human and can be ko.

He's forced to fight Povetkin soon or give up his title

It seems like every topic is about bashing someone rather than realistically assessing a fighter's abilities and situation.

Wilder and PBC will have to look outside the company for opponents because Haymon hasn't bought the heavyweight division yet.
In the meantime, I believe Wilder is among the 5 best heavyweights in the world.

If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

But because its Wilder, The Next Great heavyweight courtesy of the U.S.A., everyone is condemning the champ as fighting another stiff.

When the bout is over next Saturday, a battered Duhaupas may very well look like the soft European French pastry that many claim he is.

But that's only because of D.W.'s still developing, but already superlative skills.

Match Duhaupas with any other heavyweight, including Wlad and Povetkin, and he's a live underdog.

But put him (or any other heavyweight) in with Wilder, and the bout becomes a one-sided recital for the Bronze Bomber.

In truth, Wilder's challengers aren't the garbage you parochial fans argue they are. It's just that the talented Wilder makes them appear to look like that.

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

But because its Wilder, The Next Great heavyweight courtesy of the U.S.A., everyone is condemning the champ as fighting another stiff.

Wait, you mean people hold a 25 year old prospect with 14 fights to a different standard than a 30 year old title holder with 34 fights? Stop the presses!

SenorPipino wrote:When the bout is over next Saturday, a battered Duhaupas may very well look like the soft European French pastry that many claim he is.

But that's only because of D.W.'s still developing, but already superlative skills.

SenorPipino wrote:Match Duhaupas with any other heavyweight, including Wlad and Povetkin, and he's a live underdog.

But put him (or any other heavyweight) in with Wilder, and the bout becomes a one-sided recital for the Bronze Bomber.

In truth, Wilder's challengers aren't the garbage you parochial fans argue they are. It's just that the talented Wilder makes them appear to look like that.

I always thought your head was up your own ass, but it appears I was mistaken. At least Wilder is 6'7 so there should be plenty of room for you up there.

Joshua had a lengthier, more extensive amateur career than Wilder, punchdrunk.

Even with just 14 pro fights, the brawny Brit has a more substantial foundation than Wilder and has to be judged by different standards.

Its like all those Russian fighters who have hundreds of amateur bouts before turning pro. They're at a different level when they move to the pro ranks.

Wilder had about 25 amateur matches in a little over a year. Despite his natural abilities, he's still a work in progress.

The guy's a feared champion and he barely has fought, unlike Joshua.

God save the heavyweight division once Wilder actually has experience under his belt.

I suspect you'll never see Joshua crossing the Pond to challenge Wilder. He'll stay in England where the pudding is very soft and he can continue to look like a monster to the always hopeful, but usually disappointed, British faithful,

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

But because its Wilder, The Next Great heavyweight courtesy of the U.S.A., everyone is condemning the champ as fighting another stiff.

When the bout is over next Saturday, a battered Duhaupas may very well look like the soft European French pastry that many claim he is.

But that's only because of D.W.'s still developing, but already superlative skills.

Match Duhaupas with any other heavyweight, including Wlad and Povetkin, and he's a live underdog.

But put him (or any other heavyweight) in with Wilder, and the bout becomes a one-sided recital for the Bronze Bomber.

In truth, Wilder's challengers aren't the garbage you parochial fans argue they are. It's just that the talented Wilder makes them appear to look like that.

The only joke bigger than Wilder is your posts on this site.

SenorPipino wrote:Joshua had a lengthier, more extensive amateur career than Wilder, punchdrunk.

Even with just 14 pro fights, the brawny Brit has a more substantial foundation than Wilder and has to be judged by different standards.

Its like all those Russian fighters who have hundreds of amateur bouts before turning pro. They're at a different level when they move to the pro ranks.

Wilder had about 25 amateur matches in a little over a year. Despite his natural abilities, he's still a work in progress.

The guy's a feared champion and he barely has fought, unlike Joshua.

God save the heavyweight division once Wilder actually has experience under his belt.

I suspect you'll never see Joshua crossing the Pond to challenge Wilder. He'll stay in England where the pudding is very soft and he can continue to look like a monster to the always hopeful, but usually disappointed, British faithful,

Joshua had about 40 amateur fights: that is hardly an extensive career. Both guys fought in the Olympics, so again, not much difference in highest level of amateur competition reached. The difference is that Wilder has more than double the professional fights.

But I'm sure all this will go over your head as you watch replays of Wilder's tremendous fights against world class Nicolai Firtha and Damon McCreary

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

Anthony Joshua is 25. When Wilder was 25, he wasn't fighting fighters of Duhuapas's caliber, he was fighting Dan Sheehan (a 5' 10" LHW with 38 losses), DeAndray Abron, Richard Pena, Damon Reed, etc.. Can you not grasp that Kevin Johnson, Gary Cornish, etc. are better than Dan Sheehan, DeAndray Abron, and Richard Pena?

Lackeos wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

Anthony Joshua is 25. When Wilder was 25, he wasn't fighting fighters of Duhuapas's caliber, he was fighting Dan Sheehan (a 5' 10" LHW with 38 losses), DeAndray Abron, Richard Pena, Damon Reed, etc.. Can you not grasp that Kevin Johnson, Gary Cornish, etc. are better than Dan Sheehan, DeAndray Abron, and Richard Pena?

Alas, he can't grasp anything except his own privates as he thinks of Wilder's knockout of top Heavyweight Dustin Nichols when Wilder was 25 in his 11th fight.

Interesting to note that in Joshua's 11th fight he fought Jason Gavern who is much better than Nichols...so much better in fact that Wilder didn't fight Gavern until his THIRTY-SECOND fight...aka two fights ago

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:It seems like every topic is about bashing someone rather than realistically assessing a fighter's abilities and situation.

Sad but true. An all too common problem with boxing forums.

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

But because its Wilder, The Next Great heavyweight courtesy of the U.S.A., everyone is condemning the champ as fighting another stiff.

When the bout is over next Saturday, a battered Duhaupas may very well look like the soft European French pastry that many claim he is.

But that's only because of D.W.'s still developing, but already superlative skills.

Match Duhaupas with any other heavyweight, including Wlad and Povetkin, and he's a live underdog.

But put him (or any other heavyweight) in with Wilder, and the bout becomes a one-sided recital for the Bronze Bomber.

In truth, Wilder's challengers aren't the garbage you parochial fans argue they are. It's just that the talented Wilder makes them appear to look like that.

Anthony Joshua fought 5 top 100 contenders and started in 2013 and KOed all of them within 4 rounds, Deontay Wilder fought 3 top 100 contenders, started in 2008 and couldn't even KO all of them at all... One of them was even considered as a dive?!

SenorPipino wrote:Joshua had a lengthier, more extensive amateur career than Wilder, punchdrunk.

Even with just 14 pro fights, the brawny Brit has a more substantial foundation than Wilder and has to be judged by different standards.

Its like all those Russian fighters who have hundreds of amateur bouts before turning pro. They're at a different level when they move to the pro ranks.

Wilder had about 25 amateur matches in a little over a year. Despite his natural abilities, he's still a work in progress.

The guy's a feared champion and he barely has fought, unlike Joshua.

God save the heavyweight division once Wilder actually has experience under his belt.

I suspect you'll never see Joshua crossing the Pond to challenge Wilder. He'll stay in England where the pudding is very soft and he can continue to look like a monster to the always hopeful, but usually disappointed, British faithful,

I nominate this for post of the year!

marchegianorock wrote:Deontay Wilder is the "wbc heavy weight champion" defending his title against bum of the month club. Evading Wladimir Klisthko, Tyson Fury and other top heavyweights. He punch hard yes, chin suspect, Quality of opposition is a joke. He might or not be the future of the heavyweights until he faces real opposition. Staggered by Molina, other contenders they saw he is human and can be ko.

Were there even any offers from Klistchko, Fury or any other top HW??

49&0 wrote:

marchegianorock wrote:Deontay Wilder is the "wbc heavy weight champion" defending his title against bum of the month club. Evading Wladimir Klisthko, Tyson Fury and other top heavyweights. He punch hard yes, chin suspect, Quality of opposition is a joke. He might or not be the future of the heavyweights until he faces real opposition. Staggered by Molina, other contenders they saw he is human and can be ko.

Were there even any offers from Klistchko, Fury or any other top HW??

Lucas Browne was begging for the fight and would have been 100 times better.

No one likes what he's doing except his management.

I think his plan is to bide time until he fights Wlad. I think he'll skip over Povetkin.

It's hard to defend his opposition for the most part, but you also have to realize he defended his title once so far, testing a newly healed broken hand. The guy was ranked by the wbc, as is his next opponent. He will fight povetkin or Wlad next, or their opponent if they get upset. If you think he will vacate to avoid them you are in la la land.

Lucas Browne? Whoever said that didn't watch him recently.

So sick of watching Haymons Clan knocking out some club fighters and mugging it up to the camera like they accomplished something. Adonis is the biggest joke of them all. While Kovalev is knocking out cream of the crop, he's fighting bum after bum and then running around the ring like it's some huge win. Wilder is not as bad but he's on his way.

Tony1244 wrote:No one likes what he's doing except his management.

I think his plan is to bide time until he fights Wlad. I think he'll skip over Povetkin.

He can't skip Povetkin, or he will lose his belt.
Povetkin is the rank 2 for the belt and Wilder is forced to fight him or give up the belt.

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:No one likes what he's doing except his management.

I think his plan is to bide time until he fights Wlad. I think he'll skip over Povetkin.

He can't skip Povetkin, or he will lose his belt.
Povetkin is the rank 2 for the belt and Wilder is forced to fight him or give up the belt.

If he fights winner of Wlad vs fury he won't lose his belt.

The facts about Wilder are clear in my opinion.

1. He hits hard and is athletic.
2. He fought 32 substandard fighters to get his title shot. When Malik Scott is your hardest opponent in your first 32 fights then it demands to be questioned.
3. He went the distance for the first time when he fought his first decent opponent in Stiverne. Wilder fought very well and did the 12 rounds with no problem.
4. He got wobbled by Eric Molina, ranked 46 by BoxRec.
5. He is next fighting Johann Duphaus, ranked 34 by BoxRec.
6. He was turned down after offering this fight to Hughie Fury, ranked 47 by BoxRec.
7. He is tall but reasonably light for a modern heavyweight. This has advantages as well as disadvantages.
8. It appears he can be hurt if caught. Too early to say, "chinny" but signs aren't good...

To be fair, both his recent and next opponent are or were ranked in the top 10 or 12 by the WBC, Not that it matters, but some of you act like he has been holding the belt hostage for years.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:No one likes what he's doing except his management.

I think his plan is to bide time until he fights Wlad. I think he'll skip over Povetkin.

He can't skip Povetkin, or he will lose his belt.
Povetkin is the rank 2 for the belt and Wilder is forced to fight him or give up the belt.

If he fights winner of Wlad vs fury he won't lose his belt.

What makes you think that's true?
As far as I know he's forced to fight the mandatory, the current mandatory for the WBC is Povetkin and not Klitschko or Fury.

SenorPipino wrote:If the over-revered A. Joshua was fighting a guy with the ability of Duhaupas, you Brits would be lauding him for risking his unbeaten status against a skilled veteran.

But because its Wilder, The Next Great heavyweight courtesy of the U.S.A., everyone is condemning the champ as fighting another stiff.

When the bout is over next Saturday, a battered Duhaupas may very well look like the soft European French pastry that many claim he is.

But that's only because of D.W.'s still developing, but already superlative skills.

Match Duhaupas with any other heavyweight, including Wlad and Povetkin, and he's a live underdog.

But put him (or any other heavyweight) in with Wilder, and the bout becomes a one-sided recital for the Bronze Bomber.

In truth, Wilder's challengers aren't the garbage you parochial fans argue they are. It's just that the talented Wilder makes them appear to look like that.

DD :P