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David Haye is not a better person. He is, if anything, even more horrible now. People liked him before he fought Wladamir.

LOL, i love this tactic. Probably the most exciting thing in Wlad's career. I'm actually looking forward to this fight for some reason and i'm sure that i'll be disappointed when it's all said done but it is quite nice to have a Heavyweight Title Fight that has generated some interest. Wlad and Wilder in 2016 would be fantastic for Boxing.

Unfortunately though, I'm with the group of Boxing fans that feel that Wlad's reign has hurt the sport of Boxing significantly. Not fighting on American soil for over 8 years was not smart. His fights, when televised, were shown at odd times during the day. No one tuned in from America really. I'm not saying boxing has to be done in America but this is the mecca of boxing. Las Vegas is the capital city of Boxing and to pilfer the titles and hold them hostage over seas is never something a boxer should do with such a prestigious championship.

But I am excited for this fight and hope that it's more entertaining that Wlad's recent duds.

caldo2025 wrote:LOL, i love this tactic. Probably the most exciting thing in Wlad's career. I'm actually looking forward to this fight for some reason and i'm sure that i'll be disappointed when it's all said done but it is quite nice to have a Heavyweight Title Fight that has generated some interest. Wlad and Wilder in 2016 would be fantastic for Boxing.

Unfortunately though, I'm with the group of Boxing fans that feel that Wlad's reign has hurt the sport of Boxing significantly. Not fighting on American soil for over 8 years was not smart. His fights, when televised, were shown at odd times during the day. No one tuned in from America really. I'm not saying boxing has to be done in America but this is the mecca of boxing. Las Vegas is the capital city of Boxing and to pilfer the titles and hold them hostage over seas is never something a boxer should do with such a prestigious championship.

But I am excited for this fight and hope that it's more entertaining that Wlad's recent duds.

The biggest reason why Wlad was not on US TV for so long was because none of the main networks wanted him, while the Germans were lapping it up and selling out stadia over there.

" odd times during the day " was fine for us in the uk, only American broadcasts are on at odd times.

I just wish Wlad and his folks would do a better job of promoting in the US.

A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion?

What isn't to like about that as a role model?

What really hurts Klitschko is fights like the one with Povetkin where he pretended to be a blanket for 12 rounds, draping himself all over the Russian. No one wants to watch crap like that. If he goes out and knocks people out as quickly as he can, the media will love him. His style puts fans to sleep faster than a big turkey dinner.

Thats some funny stuff from Wlad, he's a classy guy, I like him.

caldo2025 wrote:LOL, i love this tactic. Probably the most exciting thing in Wlad's career. I'm actually looking forward to this fight for some reason and i'm sure that i'll be disappointed when it's all said done but it is quite nice to have a Heavyweight Title Fight that has generated some interest. Wlad and Wilder in 2016 would be fantastic for Boxing.

Unfortunately though, I'm with the group of Boxing fans that feel that Wlad's reign has hurt the sport of Boxing significantly. Not fighting on American soil for over 8 years was not smart. His fights, when televised, were shown at odd times during the day. No one tuned in from America really. I'm not saying boxing has to be done in America but this is the mecca of boxing. Las Vegas is the capital city of Boxing and to pilfer the titles and hold them hostage over seas is never something a boxer should do with such a prestigious championship.

But I am excited for this fight and hope that it's more entertaining that Wlad's recent duds.

didn't he fight in the garden as of recent?
problem is his style, which only pleases
the home crowd while boring everyone
else (notably exception: pulev).

wlad is terrible for heavy weight boxing.
everyone else in the last ten years would
be worse (exception: vitali).

man wrote:
didn't he fight in the garden as of recent?
problem is his style, which only pleases
the home crowd while boring everyone
else (notably exception: pulev).

wlad is terrible for heavy weight boxing.
everyone else in the last ten years would
be worse (exception: vitali).

Wlad did just fight at the Garden and for the first time in the US in 8 years. I mean, he's a big dude so I can understand that his fights aren't going to be Roman Gonzalez like and will contain a lot of clinches and non action. But I disagree that there was no demand for Wlad here in the states so that's why he didn't fight here for 8 years. It's the heavyweight championship, one of the most treasured titles in sports for the last 100 years. Wlad has single handedly marred the belt and the prestige. Who wants to watch the heavyweight champion of the world fight at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon against some grub no one knows? There's been plenty of interesting fights he could have taken in the US but he chose not to.

I can't stand Wilder but there's something refreshing about having a heavyweight champion defending his belt on a Saturday Night on primetime. Boxing has been operating without a heavyweight division it seems for years now. Now there's a few young lions that could really spice things up so I'm hoping Wlad gets his but handed to him soon. His replacements might not be as good but anyone would be more exciting IMO. I really enjoyed the Wilder/Stirvane fight. I wouldn't mind a bunch of those battles instead of reading fight results the day after.

caldo2025 wrote:

man wrote:I can't stand Wilder but there's something refreshing about having a heavyweight champion defending his belt on a Saturday Night on primetime.

so deontay wilder is finally doing something
of substance: fighting at the right daytime.

stiverne didn't deserve that belt in the first
place and wilder didn't go for the kill when
a real champ would have. but i am biased
due to wilder's terrible opponents. one can
say molina was a deserved easy, giving poor
deontay the necessary rest after his difficult,
difficult rise to the top. but now?

deontay wilder will disappoint every solid
boxing fan. he will always take the easy way,
as long has he possibly can. he seems to be
a nice guy in person, but that doesn't mean
he can handle the prestige of being at the
pinnacle of boxing.

man wrote: stiverne didn't deserve that belt in the first
place and wilder didn't go for the kill when
a real champ would have. but i am biased
due to wilder's terrible opponents. one can
say molina was a deserved easy, giving poor
deontay the necessary rest after his difficult,
difficult rise to the top. but now?

deontay wilder will disappoint every solid
boxing fan. he will always take the easy way,
as long has he possibly can. he seems to be
a nice guy in person, but that doesn't mean
he can handle the prestige of being at the
pinnacle of boxing.

I'm not fan of Wilder or anything or the easy road he got to the belt. I happen to have grown up with one of his KO victims and the kid was retired for 4 years and they pulled him out for this one fight because they new he was washed up fighter. When they announced the bout, they gave this kid 10 more wins mysterically to give him a winning record so it looked better in the boxscores. So i'm well aware how fabricated Wilder is but he'll still be competitive with 99% of the heavyweights in the world. He's got a solid right hand but he can't fight moving backwards. If he fixes some things, he could viable and could stay champion for a few years.

Not sure why you would knock Stiverne. The guy won his elimination bout for a shot at the title and gave it a good run. I happen to like Stiverne as a boxer. But i agree, we can't have many more of these title defenses against truck drivers. He will be fighting Wlad in 2016 so we'll see what Wilder really has.

I hear Stiverne is pretty much screwed as Don King is blocking his return to the ring.

caldo2025 wrote:If he fixes some things, he could viable and could stay champion for a few years.

Not sure why you would knock Stiverne. The guy won his elimination bout for a shot at the title and gave it a good run. I happen to like Stiverne as a boxer. But i agree, we can't have many more of these title defenses against truck drivers. He will be fighting Wlad in 2016 so we'll see what Wilder really has.

i don't know about stiverne. this
http://boxrec.com/boxer/324806
is not what the resume of the WBC champ
should look like. can you imagine any
other WBC champ in his prime getting
knocked out by demetrice king?

i would love to give wilder the benefit of
doubt, but i did that for quite a while now.
i thought he was no fluke and become
champ at a time when others thought he
was a total bum. but now it has become
clear that his attitude is about the same
as david haye's: boxing as a business only.

he will always take the absolute easiest way
and we are not talking floyd-style managing
a career. to honestly propose a fight with
2o year old fury is an outright slap in the face
of the entire boxing community. and these
are his own decisions. he is the man now,
not some random boxer his manager tries
to build up. he has a say in how affairs are
managed and he seemed to have no problem
whatsoever to propose a shamelessly easy
fight for defending the WBC belt.

to me this speaks volumes. this is a job that
pays good money and he will do whatever it
takes to keep the job as long as possible.
this is ... ugly. it is quite telling that not even
one of the ABCs was shameless enough to
sanction this nonsense.

man wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:If he fixes some things, he could viable and could stay champion for a few years.

Not sure why you would knock Stiverne. The guy won his elimination bout for a shot at the title and gave it a good run. I happen to like Stiverne as a boxer. But i agree, we can't have many more of these title defenses against truck drivers. He will be fighting Wlad in 2016 so we'll see what Wilder really has.

i don't know about stiverne. this
http://boxrec.com/boxer/324806
is not what the resume of the WBC champ
should look like. can you imagine any
other WBC champ in his prime getting
knocked out by demetrice king?

i would love to give wilder the benefit of
doubt, but i did that for quite a while now.
i thought he was no fluke and become
champ at a time when others thought he
was a total bum. but now it has become
clear that his attitude is about the same
as david haye's: boxing as a business only.

he will always take the absolute easiest way
and we are not talking floyd-style managing
a career. to honestly propose a fight with
2o year old fury is an outright slap in the face
of the entire boxing community. and these
are his own decisions. he is the man now,
not some random boxer his manager tries
to build up. he has a say in how affairs are
managed and he seemed to have no problem
whatsoever to propose a shamelessly easy
fight for defending the WBC belt.

to me this speaks volumes. this is a job that
pays good money and he will do whatever it
takes to keep the job as long as possible.
this is ... ugly. it is quite telling that not even
one of the ABCs was shameless enough to
sanction this nonsense.

I guess my stance is more of a hope that Wilder improves as a boxer and inspires a new generation of heavyweight boxers because it's going to take MANY years to clean up for the mess that Wlad made the last 10 years. Every sport can point to a pioneer that inspired. No better example than the PGA right now. The PGA is chalk full of 21-25year old stars right now because they all were inspired by Tiger growing up. You won't be seeing many boxers picking up the game because Wlad inspired them.

I forget who said it but it's always seem to ring true: Most fighters get 20% better once they win the championship. Wilder's still pretty green and though he was in the Olympics, he hasn't been boxing for all that long. He's got a super right hand and very athletic for such a big guy. Coming forward, he's got elite-like skills. But backing up, he's mediocre at best. Wilder reminds me of Lennox Lewis coming up. Before Manny Stewart got a hold of Lennox, he was just a really good heavyweight like Wilder is now. Manny taught him how important a stiff jab was and now most consider Lennox a top 10 heavyweight of all time.

Again, this opinion may be based more on hope than actual knowledge but I really do think that when it's all said and done, Wilder will have inspired a lot of young kids and put together a really nice career. He just needs to land the right trainer and grow as a fighter. He can do it.

Not sure why fury gets referred to as irish he's english with an Irish traveller background always odd

Not to defend Stiverne, but if you watch his fight with King it's seems clear the ref stopped it early.

koolkc107 wrote:I just wish Wlad and his folks would do a better job of promoting in the US.

A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion?

What isn't to like about that as a role model?

That's not what Americans or the American media look for in a role model.

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I just wish Wlad and his folks would do a better job of promoting in the US.

A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion?

What isn't to like about that as a role model?

That's not what Americans or the American media look for in a role model.

That "not looking" isn't exclusive to any one country, unfortunately.

I don't think boxing fans from all over look for intellect first or even second.

Nice of you to take a shot, however feeble, tho...

koolkc107 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I just wish Wlad and his folks would do a better job of promoting in the US.

A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion?

What isn't to like about that as a role model?

That's not what Americans or the American media look for in a role model.

That "not looking" isn't exclusive to any one country, unfortunately.

I don't think boxing fans from all over look for intellect first or even second.

Nice of you to take a shot, however feeble, tho...

You mentioned the US, Tiny. Hence why I mentioned the US, though it is true in other countries as well.

I didn't realize your insecurities from getting owned in previous threads carried over to other threads. Do I need to ask you to list the "fistful of guys" that Klitschko's ducking again, bitch?

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

That's not what Americans or the American media look for in a role model.

That "not looking" isn't exclusive to any one country, unfortunately.

I don't think boxing fans from all over look for intellect first or even second.

Nice of you to take a shot, however feeble, tho...

You mentioned the US, Tiny. Hence why I mentioned the US, though it is true in other countries as well.

I didn't realize your insecurities from getting owned in previous threads carried over to other threads. Do I need to ask you to list the "fistful of guys" that Klitschko's ducking again, bitch?

Owned by who?

Certainly not you.

I see you working tho. I mention something and you just can't help commenting.

You start a thread or make a comment and most of the time I couldn't care less.

So who is really whose bitch?

And, it appears that you are the one unable to move on from being owned.

You still can't let go of me telling you to do your own research on this very site?

Very feminine in a moist type of way.

Get over it already...would a box of chocolates help, sugar?

koolkc107 wrote: Owned by who?

Certainly not you.

I see you working tho. I mention something and you just can't help commenting.

You start a thread or make a comment and most of the time I couldn't care less.

So who is really whose bitch?

And, it appears that you are the one unable to move on from being owned.

You still can't let go of me telling you to do your own research on this very site?

Very feminine in a moist type of way.

Get over it already...would a box of chocolates help, sugar?

I replied to a comment you made, with a fact. You, still throbbing with butthurt from being exposed by me and every other poster you interact with, try to turn it sour again.

I'd say grow up, but that would entail you moving out of your parents basement and interacting with people in real life. That would lead to some real life ass kickings for you rather than the verbal ones you receive daily on boxrec

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: Owned by who?

Certainly not you.

I see you working tho. I mention something and you just can't help commenting.

You start a thread or make a comment and most of the time I couldn't care less.

So who is really whose bitch?

And, it appears that you are the one unable to move on from being owned.

You still can't let go of me telling you to do your own research on this very site?

Very feminine in a moist type of way.

Get over it already...would a box of chocolates help, sugar?

I replied to a comment you made, with a fact. You, still throbbing with butthurt from being exposed by me and every other poster you interact with, try to turn it sour again.

I'd say grow up, but that would entail you moving out of your parents basement and interacting with people in real life. That would lead to some real life ass kickings for you rather than the verbal ones you receive daily on boxrec

No.

You replied with your opinion.
Which I have no issue with you expressing and kind of agree with.

But, for me to be butthurt would mean
1) I actually lost an argument here, and
2) I was upset about being wrong.

That just hasn't happened. And you could not point to one instance here where it has, fool.

Almost decent attempt to run smack tho, but the basement thing is cliche- work on coming up with fresher material.

I would give you a few smiley faces for the effort, but that would be just as tired as one of your half-arse attempts.

Ciao, baby!

PS: No one has been able to kick my ass in two plus decades. One look at me is usually enough to persuade folks the try isn't worth it.

koolkc107 wrote:No.

You replied with your opinion.
Which I have no issue with you expressing and kind of agree with.

But, for me to be butthurt would mean
1) I actually lost an argument here, and
2) I was upset about being wrong.

That just hasn't happened. And you could not point to one instance here where it has, fool.

Then why call it a "feeble attempt" if you agreed with it?

Losing an argument would include making an outrageous claim and then not producing evidence to back it up...so where's that "fistful of guys" Wlad is ducking?

koolkc107 wrote:Almost decent attempt to run smack tho, but the basement thing is cliche- work on coming up with fresher material.

I'd save fresh material for a worthwhile poster.

koolkc107 wrote:PS: No one has been able to kick my ass in two plus decades. One look at me is usually enough to persuade folks the try isn't worth it.

caldo2025 wrote:I guess my stance is more of a hope that Wilder improves as a boxer and inspires a new generation of heavyweight boxers because it's going to take MANY years to clean up for the mess that Wlad made the last 10 years. Every sport can point to a pioneer that inspired. No better example than the PGA right now. The PGA is chalk full of 21-25year old stars right now because they all were inspired by Tiger growing up. You won't be seeing many boxers picking up the game because Wlad inspired them.

i think it takes one fighter and one fight to change
the perception, especially because wlad bored the
community with his style for so long. my bet is on
joshua. he runs a carefully build up, but not like that
of mister wilder, who always seemed to have looked
for the very easiest option available.

caldo2025 wrote:I forget who said it but it's always seem to ring true: Most fighters get 20% better once they win the championship. Wilder's still pretty green and though he was in the Olympics, he hasn't been boxing for all that long. He's got a super right hand and very athletic for such a big guy. Coming forward, he's got elite-like skills. But backing up, he's mediocre at best. Wilder reminds me of Lennox Lewis coming up. Before Manny Stewart got a hold of Lennox, he was just a really good heavyweight like Wilder is now. Manny taught him how important a stiff jab was and now most consider Lennox a top 10 heavyweight of all time.

i hear you. i doubt it. to me wilder seems to have the
talent, but not the determination. he simply never
really challenges himself with his opponents and that
seems to me to be a real weakness.

there are plenty of fading names out there, that he
could pick. he goes for the least dangerous he gets
away with. this style of management forms character
as well. no way to build up any confidence and he still
seems to have trouble in these fights.

i thought he was underrated on his rise, now i think
he is overrated. no way he will be an inspiring role
model like tiger or lennox. but he will prove me wrong,
who knows.

For me, if only one young lion reaches the top I'm hoping it's Joe Parker. The closest Australia has come to a world heavyweight champion was Bob Fitzsimmons who started out in England, went to New Zealand, moved to Australia and finally ended up in America. So I'd like to see an Aussie holding at least part of the world title.