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They said they would respond to Hauser and boy did they!

Of vital import to those who think Floyd may have been dirty is this bit:

"In fact, USADA performs extensive CIR testing as part of the professional boxing testing programs it conducts and has never declined to administer CIR testing. All 22 urine samples collected during the Mayweather/Pacquiao testing program were tested by CIR and for EPO. Indeed, every professional boxer USADA has ever tested has been tested using the CIR methodology."

http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads ... Hauser.pdf

This should be enough to put rumors to rest for any logical objective observer...

They "owned" him by.. disputing him? Is that it... no evidence, no documentation?


This isn't a new dispute with USADA:

here's a 3 year old article which pretty much goes over the same ground:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/boxing ... assertions


Victor Conte accuses USADA of not carrying out CIR testing, USADA countered that they do indeed do CIR testing.

So why are USADA continually accused of not carrying out CIR testing? But more importantly, why have USADA never caught a single athlete cheating? Why have USADA never cancelled a single fight? Yet VADA have caught the likes of Peterson and Berto, VADA has been responsible for cancelled fights due to catching dopers.


But the real question for USADA is why the granted Mayweather the TUE in the first place, and if they knew about it from May 1, why, in the interest of fairness, did they not inform Pacquiao & NSAC until May 20.

Ricky_ wrote:They "owned" him by.. disputing him? Is that it... no evidence, no documentation?


This isn't a new dispute with USADA:

here's a 3 year old article which pretty much goes over the same ground:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/boxing ... assertions


Victor Conte accuses USADA of not carrying out CIR testing, USADA countered that they do indeed do CIR testing.

So why are USADA continually accused of not carrying out CIR testing? But more importantly, why have USADA never caught a single athlete cheating? Why have USADA never cancelled a single fight? Yet VADA have caught the likes of Peterson and Berto, VADA has been responsible for cancelled fights due to catching dopers.


But the real question for USADA is why the granted Mayweather the TUE in the first place, and if they knew about it from May 1, why, in the interest of fairness, did they not inform Pacquiao & NSAC until May 20.

It's a 25 page rebuttal that dismantles what Hauser wrote point by point.

And you still don't get it!

You are such a pea brain....

LMAO!!!

As if a number of pages proves something.

Ok the Brut/kbb/kool or whatever you call yourself....


Let's go over it 1 point or page at a time.

Point 1... when exactly did Floyd ask or approach USADA about recieving this IV... was it before the weigh-in at 1pm?

Ricky_ wrote:Ok the Brut/kbb/kool or whatever you call yourself....


Let's go over it 1 point or page at a time.

Point 1... when exactly did Floyd ask or approach USADA about recieving this IV... was it before the weigh-in at 1pm?

I guess you haven't found someone to read the pdf to you yet...from pg 1:

Mr. Mayweather was notified by the Doping Control Officer (DCO) at his home around 1:45pm, prior to Mr. Mayweather relocating to MGM Grand Garden Arena for the weigh-in. From the time of notification, Mr. Mayweather was continuously monitored by the USADA DCO until the sample collection was completed at approximately 8:15 pm.

Pg 2

The IV was administered after the athlete had already been notified by the USADA DCO and in the presence of the USADA DCO.
In addition, Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO, who was made aware of the need for the
IV due to Mr. Mayweather’s physical condition and who continued to monitor Mr. Mayweather throughout the administration of the IV
by the paramedic and thereafter until a full sample was collected from Mr. Mayweather. Mr. Mayweather was never outside the
physical presence of the USADA DCO from long before the IV was administered until well after administration when the urine sample
collection process was complete.

It's all a bit "he said..she said..." playground stuff. If Hauser had damaged the reputation of the USADA he'd be dragged through court not be part of a back-and-forth which makes me think they aren't above board or have breached rules.

Boxing Prospect wrote:It's all a bit "he said..she said..." playground stuff. If Hauser had damaged the reputation of the USADA he'd be dragged through court not be part of a back-and-forth which makes me think they aren't above board or have breached rules.

Read USADA's reply and do so carefully.

Everything there (unlike Hauser's smear job) is independently verifiable.

koolkc107 wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:It's all a bit "he said..she said..." playground stuff. If Hauser had damaged the reputation of the USADA he'd be dragged through court not be part of a back-and-forth which makes me think they aren't above board or have breached rules.

Read USADA's reply and do so carefully.

Everything there (unlike Hauser's smear job) is independently verifiable.

What, including where they said the NSAC rep was wrong? Or is NSAC rep not "independent"?

As I said, if Hauser was damaging their reputation their wouldn't be this playground back and forth, they would have laywered up and put him out of work. Instead it's a case of
"Mr Hauser is wrong...blah blah"

Also "In a letter from USADA to the Nevada State Athletic Commission
(NSAC) on May 21, 2015"

SO a letter sent AFTER the fight and AFTER USADA granted a retroactive TUE that they had NO RIGHT to give?

They suggest that $8.75million isn't "approximately" $10million...yeah...okay...sure that's a rebuttal and a half!
They also suggest that "began oprerations" on a date different to what Hauser claimed it was "created" (is that actually stating he is wrong? A company can be registered before it "starts operations" can it not?)

This is misleading. It is unclear what Mr. Hauser is trying to insinuate.
There is no personal relationship between Mr. Tygart and Mr. Schaefer
and the two have never met in person. USADA has a professional
working relationship with several boxing promotion companies dating
back to 2010.

You don't need to physically meet to have a business relationship. So again not really much of a rebuttal.

A national solution is exactly what USADA has been advocating for. It is
important to recognize that prior to USADA, no other organization was
conducting robust anti-doping programs in professional boxing.

Is it "robust" if it fails to catch cheats? Seems pretty lacking if you ask me, and that's regardless of this particular case.

Some points they make are spot on, some are completely meaningless and some have already be rebutted by Hauser ...again the back and forth continues

koolkc107 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Ok the Brut/kbb/kool or whatever you call yourself....


Let's go over it 1 point or page at a time.

Point 1... when exactly did Floyd ask or approach USADA about recieving this IV... was it before the weigh-in at 1pm?

I guess you haven't found someone to read the pdf to you yet...from pg 1:

Mr. Mayweather was notified by the Doping Control Officer (DCO) at his home around 1:45pm, prior to Mr. Mayweather relocating to MGM Grand Garden Arena for the weigh-in. From the time of notification, Mr. Mayweather was continuously monitored by the USADA DCO until the sample collection was completed at approximately 8:15 pm.

Pg 2

The IV was administered after the athlete had already been notified by the USADA DCO and in the presence of the USADA DCO.
In addition, Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO, who was made aware of the need for the
IV due to Mr. Mayweather’s physical condition and who continued to monitor Mr. Mayweather throughout the administration of the IV
by the paramedic and thereafter until a full sample was collected from Mr. Mayweather. Mr. Mayweather was never outside the
physical presence of the USADA DCO from long before the IV was administered until well after administration when the urine sample
collection process was complete.

Ok Kc, that to me seems as if Floyd notified the USADA DCO he would require the IV before 1.45pm? Yes?

The bottom line is this:

Hauser sought to smear USADA and Mayweather with a report timed right before fight 49 using info that was available to all 4 months prior.

There was nothing 4 months ago and USADA, with this rebuttal, pretty much made sure it remains that way.

The big smoking gun of the rebuttal is the revelation that EVERY URINE SAMPLE had the more accurate carbon isotope testing done to it.

All negative for Floyd and Pac.

Like I have been saying all along, this is a non-issue and everyone except Hauser and desperate Pac fans seem to know that.

What's the matter KC? I called you out.

Seems a simple Yes or No question relating to page 1 of this document by USADA.

Did Mayweather notify USADA he would require an IV before 1.45pm or was it later?

Ricky_ wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Ok the Brut/kbb/kool or whatever you call yourself....


Let's go over it 1 point or page at a time.

Point 1... when exactly did Floyd ask or approach USADA about recieving this IV... was it before the weigh-in at 1pm?

I guess you haven't found someone to read the pdf to you yet...from pg 1:

Mr. Mayweather was notified by the Doping Control Officer (DCO) at his home around 1:45pm, prior to Mr. Mayweather relocating to MGM Grand Garden Arena for the weigh-in. From the time of notification, Mr. Mayweather was continuously monitored by the USADA DCO until the sample collection was completed at approximately 8:15 pm.

Pg 2

The IV was administered after the athlete had already been notified by the USADA DCO and in the presence of the USADA DCO.
In addition, Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO, who was made aware of the need for the
IV due to Mr. Mayweather’s physical condition and who continued to monitor Mr. Mayweather throughout the administration of the IV
by the paramedic and thereafter until a full sample was collected from Mr. Mayweather. Mr. Mayweather was never outside the
physical presence of the USADA DCO from long before the IV was administered until well after administration when the urine sample
collection process was complete.

Ok Kc, that to me seems as if Floyd notified the USADA DCO he would require the IV before 1.45pm? Yes?

No.

1:45 was when the DCO notified Floyd.
And the DCO monitored Floyd from that time, thru the weigh-in and up to 8:15.
At some point after the weigh-in, paramedics were called to Floyd's home (probably because his dehydration prevented him from giving a full sample). The paramedics administered the IVs, in full view of the DCO, who took urine before and after each IV.

Where's the cheating in that? Seems to me that is exactly the way TUEs are granted.

I'm reading the very bit you quoted me here Kool. "Mayweather declared the infusion in advance...".

So the DCO shows up at 1.45 but FMJ declares his IV in advance then we know he had intended to use an IV drip from some point before 1.45pm??

This will all amount to nothing and the result will stand. But I'm glad some people spoke up and made it public.

Kool, You do realize you are arguing mostly with retards, right? They won't get it even if the plain facts are right in front of them. Even the ones that are not retarded will continue to be in denial because of their intense hatred of Floyd.

Let it rest folks. Pac vs Floyd is over, and Floyd is retired. A few people laughed when I said it would end up being a non issue. I still stand by that statement.

Badhusker wrote:Kool, You do realize you are arguing mostly with retards, right? They won't get it even if the plain facts are right in front of them. Even the ones that are not retarded will continue to be in denial because of their intense hatred of Floyd.

Let it rest folks. Pac vs Floyd is over, and Floyd is retired. A few people laughed when I said it would end up being a non issue. I still stand by that statement.

Badhusker, you are the only retard here. You are so narrow minded that you just immediately think that it is about Floyd vs Manny. It is not. Manny is likely as guilty in using prohibited substances as most of the other elite fighters. The point is that Floyd was pretending to be cleaner than others, but now we know that he isn't.

Brut, how does it feel to be your own wingman on here it's gettin weird that shit could split off into another personality I'd keep an eye on it..

USADA is shady. Time will tell how shady, this is going to get better I'm sure. Well not for some of us but at least the truth will come out.

Badhusker wrote:Kool, You do realize you are arguing mostly with retards, right? They won't get it even if the plain facts are right in front of them. Even the ones that are not retarded will continue to be in denial because of their intense hatred of Floyd.

Let it rest folks. Pac vs Floyd is over, and Floyd is retired. A few people laughed when I said it would end up being a non issue. I still stand by that statement.

C'mon Brut don't get all your accounts banned at once by calling people retards.

It's funny watching you blow your top now Floyd's been exposed cheating and in breach of WADA banned substances/methods. I can only imagine how crazy you'd get if it was Pacquaio rigged up to an IV cocktail, probably soomething like "See!! Floyd was right all along!! OMG Pac is a doper!! He should be counter-sued by Floyd!"

I've not the patience to plough through all this if I'm honest.

Ricky_ wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Kool, You do realize you are arguing mostly with retards, right? They won't get it even if the plain facts are right in front of them. Even the ones that are not retarded will continue to be in denial because of their intense hatred of Floyd.

Let it rest folks. Pac vs Floyd is over, and Floyd is retired. A few people laughed when I said it would end up being a non issue. I still stand by that statement.

C'mon Brut don't get all your accounts banned at once by calling people retards.

It's funny watching you blow your top now Floyd's been exposed cheating and in breach of WADA banned substances/methods. I can only imagine how crazy you'd get if it was Pacquaio rigged up to an IV cocktail, probably soomething like "See!! Floyd was right all along!! OMG Pac is a doper!! He should be counter-sued by Floyd!"

If Manny had passed carbon isotope testing on all his samples before and after the IV, no matter how fishy I may have found it for him to be using an IV, no matter how much I thought it was not a "good look" right before a fight, THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION I COULD MAKE IS THAT HE WAS CLEAN.

And that is EXACTLY what I have said about Floyd.

If anyone was trying to cheat, it was probably Manny.

Koolkc, why aren't you answering my question?

You start a thread calld USADA owns Hauser POINT BY POINT.

I'm asking you a simple question related to point 1:

When did Mayweather first "declare" he was having an IV. He declared it "in advance", so was that before 1.45pm on the day of the weigh-in??

Ricky_ wrote:Koolkc, why aren't you answering my question?

You start a thread calld USADA owns Hauser POINT BY POINT.

I'm asking you a simple question related to point 1:

When did Mayweather first "declare" he was having an IV. He declared it "in advance", so was that before 1.45pm on the day of the weigh-in??

I answered this in my last response to you.

Next question, if you have one.

koolkc107 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Koolkc, why aren't you answering my question?

You start a thread calld USADA owns Hauser POINT BY POINT.

I'm asking you a simple question related to point 1:

When did Mayweather first "declare" he was having an IV. He declared it "in advance", so was that before 1.45pm on the day of the weigh-in??

I answered this in my last response to you.

Next question, if you have one.

No, no you never.

It's a simple question.

USADA state that Mayweather "declared the IV in advance", so enlighten everyone on Boxrec as to when Mr. Mayweather first indicated to USADA he was going to take an IV. Was it before the weigh-in at 3pm? Was it before the USADA official showed up at his house at 1.45pm.


C'mon Kooli, when was it?

Ricky_ wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Koolkc, why aren't you answering my question?

You start a thread calld USADA owns Hauser POINT BY POINT.

I'm asking you a simple question related to point 1:

When did Mayweather first "declare" he was having an IV. He declared it "in advance", so was that before 1.45pm on the day of the weigh-in??

I answered this in my last response to you.

Next question, if you have one.

No, no you never.

It's a simple question.

USADA state that Mayweather "declared the IV in advance", so enlighten everyone on Boxrec as to when Mr. Mayweather first indicated to USADA he was going to take an IV. Was it before the weigh-in at 3pm? Was it before the USADA official showed up at his house at 1.45pm.


C'mon Kooli, when was it?

No.

1:45 was when the DCO notified Floyd.
And the DCO monitored Floyd from that time, thru the weigh-in and up to 8:15.
At some point after the weigh-in, paramedics were called to Floyd's home (probably because
his dehydration prevented him from giving a full sample). The paramedics administered the IVs,
in full view of the DCO, who took urine before and after each IV.

Where's the cheating in that? Seems to me that is exactly the way TUEs are granted.


Next question.