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starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

How about that Mayweather guy?

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

It was an awesome career no doubt, but not because he's gained weight since age 16...that's pretty common really.

I don't think it's possible to make a case for any fighter having a better resume than Pacquiao since Sugar RL.

Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

The Revival wrote:Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

You can't base a decision on how they both did against 1 like opponent. I always hated that argument. For instance, Floyd struggled badly with ODH but Manny cut right through him like butter so does that now make Manny better? We will never know who was better than who in their prime but I think that Manny winning World Titles in 7 different weight classes is more impressive than a protected 49-0 record in which Floyd came into most of those fights with distinct advantages and now we know there may be PEDs involved. Manny will be the best in the era to me, no matter what happened when they fought well passed their prime.

The Revival wrote:Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

Mayweather doesn't have a single win vs a great fighter in his prime.

Roy Jones must be up there middle to heavy weight with wins over Hopkins and toney

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

- Was he still filling his pockets with stones two months later when he weighed more?

- I imagine many professionals (athletes at that) that gain weight from the time they were 16 until they were 34. (from a child to an adult)

- And yet moving from 160 to 201 is only 5 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Imagine if we had these many wights hen guys like Henry Armstrong and George Carpentier were around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, one more:

- Going from 206 - 247 is only one division !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caldo2025 wrote:

The Revival wrote:Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

You can't base a decision on how they both did against 1 like opponent. I always hated that argument. For instance, Floyd struggled badly with ODH but Manny cut right through him like butter so does that now make Manny better? We will never know who was better than who in their prime but I think that Manny winning World Titles in 7 different weight classes is more impressive than a protected 49-0 record in which Floyd came into most of those fights with distinct advantages and now we know there may be PEDs involved. Manny will be the best in the era to me, no matter what happened when they fought well passed their prime.

Also Manny destroyed Hatton at 140 while Floyd struggled for the first 6 rounds against Ricky, then there's Cotto who Manny outdid Floyd against so yeah its completely pointless comparing common opponents.

Both have great resumes and it has been an honour and pleasure watching them over the last 15+ years, one was the best defensive boxer of his generation and the other arguable the best offensive and most exciting of his generation (although RJJ might have something to say about that).

I think his record is better than Leonard's. I think we have to go back to Duran.

zojo, wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

- Was he still filling his pockets with stones two months later when he weighed more?

- I imagine many professionals (athletes at that) that gain weight from the time they were 16 until they were 34. (from a child to an adult)

- And yet moving from 160 to 201 is only 5 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Imagine if we had these many wights hen guys like Henry Armstrong and George Carpentier were around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To try and say that Manny's jump from flyweights world champ to light middle champ wasn't extraordinary is futile it is with out doubt the biggest jump any fighter has ever made more than Armstrong or hearns

digzee wrote:
Also Manny destroyed Hatton at 140 while Floyd struggled for the first 6 rounds against Ricky, then there's Cotto who Manny outdid Floyd against so yeah its completely pointless comparing common opponents.

Both have great resumes and it has been an honour and pleasure watching them over the last 15+ years, one was the best defensive boxer of his generation and the other arguable the best offensive and most exciting of his generation (although RJJ might have something to say about that).

That's the most sensible way to view it. Though I disliked the opinion that the Floyd/Manny fight happened 5 years too late, I really think that I was dead wrong. It really was too late for that fight and like an overcooked steak, it's sure didn't taste as good as it could have. 5 years earlier would have been epic and it reminds me of a bunch of fights that happened too late. But personally, something inside me tells me if they ever agreed to a rematch, say in 2016, it would be a lot better fight. Maybe that's the Manny fan inside me thinking that but we just didn't see what we needed to see in that first one. Maybe a rematch would be worse, who knows? But I personally feel that they both need to redeem themselves for that performance. Neither guy left it out there IMO>

The Revival wrote:
You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.
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sure, just talk about Marquez. forget about pygmies of the boxing world like Morales and Barrera, and Hatton, and Cotto.

the answer to the question is yes.

punchoutsb wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

It was an awesome career no doubt, but not because he's gained weight since age 16...that's pretty common really.

yeah it is so common to start at minmumweight and go up and fight somebody 1 head taller than you at 154 and go up 12 division, oh yeah, it happens all the time, moron.

The Revival wrote:Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

but pacquiao was more fun to watch

digzee wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

The Revival wrote:Sure it is. Mayweather is from the same era, and beat Pacquiao by Unanimous Decision. Along with being an Undefeated Boxer who reigned as Champion for 17 years

You could make a case that Pacquiao's overall resume is just as good as his, but I don't think you can make a case that it's better. Not when he went life and death with Juan Manuel Marquez every time they fought, and was ultimately knocked out by him. While Mayweather outboxed him with ease.

I know you'll say...but, but, but Pacquiao was more fun to watch. Yeah he was...but that doesn't make him more accomplished.

You can't base a decision on how they both did against 1 like opponent. I always hated that argument. For instance, Floyd struggled badly with ODH but Manny cut right through him like butter so does that now make Manny better? We will never know who was better than who in their prime but I think that Manny winning World Titles in 7 different weight classes is more impressive than a protected 49-0 record in which Floyd came into most of those fights with distinct advantages and now we know there may be PEDs involved. Manny will be the best in the era to me, no matter what happened when they fought well passed their prime.

Also Manny destroyed Hatton at 140 while Floyd struggled for the first 6 rounds against Ricky, then there's Cotto who Manny outdid Floyd against so yeah its completely pointless comparing common opponents.

Both have great resumes and it has been an honour and pleasure watching them over the last 15+ years, one was the best defensive boxer of his generation and the other arguable the best offensive and most exciting of his generation (although RJJ might have something to say about that).

look, roy jones is a no brainer, he is #1 the best boxer ever.

but i am not talking who the best was, i am only talking about career achievemants.

roy could have easily have had a better career than anybody, pac included. i mean when roy was around in his prime he was better than anybody and he would have beaten anybody. so, its just his fault that he never tried more to fight guys like mcclellan, eubank, prime calzaghe, catchweight fight with prime hopkins, maybe even cruiserweight king RIP juan carlos gamez and lets not forget henry maske or dariusz michalchewski. all i am saying, to me that would have boosted his career big time. but, same like floyd, roy was complicated and didnt want to do this and that.

pacquiao, he did everything. at lower weights against quality, even before facing his first big fight against barrera.

than facing prime marquez, in good shape morales, in good shape barrera, in good shape cotto, than guys much bigger or taller opponents than himself, who nobody wanted to face like clottey & margarito, that achievemant for a 5'5 height guy is eminse.

he just faced everybody and always wanted to face the best, he never shyd away from rime marquez, he always said a million times he wanted prime mayweather, he had the greatest career.

Ezzard wrote:I think his record is better than Leonard's. I think we have to go back to Duran.

I agree, Pac-man's record is loads better than Leonards by a long way.

stevedoc wrote:

zojo, wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

- Was he still filling his pockets with stones two months later when he weighed more?

- I imagine many professionals (athletes at that) that gain weight from the time they were 16 until they were 34. (from a child to an adult)

- And yet moving from 160 to 201 is only 5 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Imagine if we had these many wights hen guys like Henry Armstrong and George Carpentier were around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To try and say that Manny's jump from flyweights world champ to light middle champ wasn't extraordinary is futile it is with out doubt the biggest jump any fighter has ever made more than Armstrong or hearns

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Chepppaaa wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:starting @106 pounds with stones in his pockets to make weight, going up to 147.

from minimumweight till super welterweight when he was boxing margarito.

that is 12 divisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that fact along with his mind blowing run in his prime from 2005-2010, i mean, i remember, people couldnt believe when morales was down, the way he beat cotto, hatton and de la hoya, the combination of speed, power and condition, rarely have we ever seen this in boxing.

It was an awesome career no doubt, but not because he's gained weight since age 16...that's pretty common really.

yeah it is so common to start at minmumweight and go up and fight somebody 1 head taller than you at 154 and go up 12 division, oh yeah, it happens all the time, moron.

Have you grown at all since age 16? I'm speaking physically, we can all see you haven't mentally.

OK, I've mentioned Carpentier twice in this thread (the guy did jump a bunch of weightclasses (from 114lbs to 175lbs).

Anywho, as you all know, his match vs. Dempsey was the first boxing match that had a million dollar gate.

Dempsey got a guaranteed $300,000 and George received a guaranteed $200,000

That's a lot of money back them.

However, I found an inflation calculator online that states that $200,000 in 1921 is "only" worth $2,420,742 today.

I guess the top paid boxers of today are paid pretty well compared to their historical brethren.

Chepppaaa wrote: yeah it is so common to start at minmumweight and go up and fight somebody 1 head taller than you at 154 and go up 12 division, oh yeah, it happens all the time, moron.

Not 154

150 catchweight

ttornado wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote: yeah it is so common to start at minmumweight and go up and fight somebody 1 head taller than you at 154 and go up 12 division, oh yeah, it happens all the time, moron.

Not 154

150 catchweight

But, what did those guys weigh come fight time?

Heck, didn't Clotty weigh close to a super-middleweight when he fought Manny?

We've been lucky as fans to have seen Manny and Floyd in their primes, both are remarkable boxers and very contrasting styles of fighting.