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dominik wrote:GGG is better but how does his power Transfer to 168? many guys have been Killers in a lower weight class and only average in a higher one. Abraham KOed a lot of guys in MW and nobody (except for taylor) at SMW. there are of course also guys who do Transfer their power (david haye for example) but it does not work for any guy.

GGG would certainly be a hard Puncher at SMW too but we would have to wait how he does at SMW. also consider that GGG is not the fastest MW so he does not have a huge Speed Advantage. he has great skill and Timing but at a higher weight class some of his skills might diminish a Little.

usually fast slicksters Transfer better to higher weight classes.

however froch would be a better matchup than ward for GGG because froch is slow and easy to hit. Ward is bigger AND faster than GGG that would be a nightmare matchup for GGG.

ikorolev wrote:I don't think Froch has said something about coming back. It is all Hearn's guessing on what he could do. More worthless talk.

caldo2025 wrote:We're all saving $59. This would just be another grotesque beating and a horrible one sided, short fight. Andre Ward won every single minute of his fight with Froch and I see GGG knocking Ward out as well. GGG's jackhammering jab just makes it impossible for anyone to beat him right now. Maybe in several years, GGG will show signs of aging and slow down enough to give someone a chance. Right now, the man is uunbeatable at MW or SMW. No matter what they weigh in at fight night.

clopixolacuphase wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:We're all saving $59. This would just be another grotesque beating and a horrible one sided, short fight. Andre Ward won every single minute of his fight with Froch and I see GGG knocking Ward out as well. GGG's jackhammering jab just makes it impossible for anyone to beat him right now. Maybe in several years, GGG will show signs of aging and slow down enough to give someone a chance. Right now, the man is uunbeatable at MW or SMW. No matter what they weigh in at fight night.

I would also say Carl should stay retired the odds would be in Golovkin's favor, but I don't see how any of Golovkin's wins indicate that this would be short fight. Lesser, smaller fighters have lasted into the late rounds with Golovkin. I don't think Froch would get stopped early. He's also a big lad with some reach on him and a decent jab and has shown (despite having a reputation as a balls to the wall sort of fighter) that he can box cautiously. Ward's style is completely different to Golovkin. Yeah he won very clearly but he did it by tying Froch up and throwing him around. GGG doesn't have the size to do that. The other person to defeat Froch, Kessler, had to have an actual fight with him. Both times he fought Froch I think, Kessler retired afterwards. if you're one of the people who think Dirrell beat Froch, he did it by being very negative. I don't think GGG would employ that gameplan. He can't employ Ward's, because he is not big enough. If he employs Kessler's, it would be a very entertaining fight. Maybe a classic. Maybe one of the best fights ever. I always wanted to see this.

It's not gonna happen, though. He's not coming back and that's cool. Let Golovkin beat a few more 5'7" guys and then see how he does against the remaining SMW's. He's got the amatuer win over Dirrell hasn't he? I'd be interested to see how that one played out in the pros.

digzee wrote:

ikorolev wrote:I don't think Froch has said something about coming back. It is all Hearn's guessing on what he could do. More worthless talk.

Where did Hearn say he was coming back to fight him? I saw an interview last night where he said he doesn't expect Froch to fight again.

caldo2025 wrote:

clopixolacuphase wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:We're all saving $59. This would just be another grotesque beating and a horrible one sided, short fight. Andre Ward won every single minute of his fight with Froch and I see GGG knocking Ward out as well. GGG's jackhammering jab just makes it impossible for anyone to beat him right now. Maybe in several years, GGG will show signs of aging and slow down enough to give someone a chance. Right now, the man is uunbeatable at MW or SMW. No matter what they weigh in at fight night.

I would also say Carl should stay retired the odds would be in Golovkin's favor, but I don't see how any of Golovkin's wins indicate that this would be short fight. Lesser, smaller fighters have lasted into the late rounds with Golovkin. I don't think Froch would get stopped early. He's also a big lad with some reach on him and a decent jab and has shown (despite having a reputation as a balls to the wall sort of fighter) that he can box cautiously. Ward's style is completely different to Golovkin. Yeah he won very clearly but he did it by tying Froch up and throwing him around. GGG doesn't have the size to do that. The other person to defeat Froch, Kessler, had to have an actual fight with him. Both times he fought Froch I think, Kessler retired afterwards. if you're one of the people who think Dirrell beat Froch, he did it by being very negative. I don't think GGG would employ that gameplan. He can't employ Ward's, because he is not big enough. If he employs Kessler's, it would be a very entertaining fight. Maybe a classic. Maybe one of the best fights ever. I always wanted to see this.

It's not gonna happen, though. He's not coming back and that's cool. Let Golovkin beat a few more 5'7" guys and then see how he does against the remaining SMW's. He's got the amatuer win over Dirrell hasn't he? I'd be interested to see how that one played out in the pros.

You seem to be one of the guys that still refuses to give GGG the credit he deserves. I don't get it but there are enough of you out there so I'm not oblivious enough to not listen to the logic. The fact to me is that Froch has never faced a guy liked GGG but I'm very positive that GGG's faced the likes of a Froch and we all know his track record. GGG doesn't have to fight like Ward or even Dirrell for that matter to figure out the Froch puzzle. GGG is a very unique skillset unlike anything I've seen in my years of watching the sport. It's funny to me that Mike Tyson didn't get this kind of criticism in his maniacal run of knockouts over nobodies in his early 20s. GGG's resume is WAY better than people give him credit for. One day, the kid will get his due. 21 knockouts in a row facing the best opponents he can negotiate.

The odds would be stacked against Froch hearing that last bell in his prime so if we are talking about a fight in 2016, I'm afraid we'll have a massacre on our hands. GGG is THAT good. You are entitled to your opinion of course but at some point, don't have you to sit back and realize how special this is what we are watching? This is a one in a hundred years type of fighter. Why not enjoy the fact that we get watch this happen?

Counter-puncher wrote:Albeit I need to disagree with the one thing you said, that ward beat froch by throwing him around and wrestling him

Not sure if the 150 times he punched him in the face, with a left hook alone, passed you by, in that fight?

clopixolacuphase wrote:
It's funny, I say throughout that post that I think Golovkins the favourite but it would be an entertaining fight. That's pretty high praise. It's stupid to say Froch wasn't a good fighter because every boxing expert out there will disagree with you. I really like Golovkin and he looks very good, isn't ducking anybody, had power etc. but the poor guy had not landed a name opponent. Not one. Not even a shot faded 'old name''. If GGG has faced the likes of Froch before, we'll have to go back to his amateur days because as a pro he hasn't fought anybody close. That's not his fault but it's true. SMW isn't that great at the moment but here's your yardstick. It was ruled by Joe Calzaghe at one point, who moved up and beat Hopkins (p4p number 4 at the time, I think?) a proven brilliant fighter. Joe had fought Kessler close before that, so we know Kessler was very good. From that point onwards you can see how good that division was. There was proven quality in there in the past few years. If you beat a Froch or a Kessler then you were a very good fighter. Andre Ward is really something. Personally, I think Froch and Kessler were really good too. Now, who on Golovkin's list of opponents, any of them, choose, are anywhere near that level? They're not. Rubio who got beat by Chavez jnr. Lemieux who got beat by Rubio. Martin Murray. Maybe Murray MIGHT get by Abraham, but most of us are being optimistic. This is Abraham who got tooled by all the other top SMW's. That Golovkin's fights are all basically public executions is indicative of the quality of the opponent as much as how good a fighter he is. Mayweather was expected to win all his fights, but he was still fighting Cotto and Alverez and Manny Pacquiao. Golovkin is expected to win all his fights, but he is fighting Daniel Geale. Can you spot the difference?

I never said I didn't like him. I do. But if you can't see that his opponents aren't HOF's, or even anywhere near as good, world ranking wise, as some of the fighters that the SMW fighters you mentioned have beaten, then that's cool. We can agree to disagree. We'll see when he fights Ward, or even Degale. If he knocks them out, then I'll worship him as the best fighter in boxing. But beating up David Lemuex is just OK. He was always going to do that. Didn't you think? And he'll beat up whichever 5'7" JMW wins out of Canelo and Cotto too. I'll watch it, and he'll make some money. But we all kind of know the outcome. Anything else would be a massive upset.

caldo2025 wrote: I don't believe in the A beat up on B. C Barely beat B, so that means A is better than C philosophy that people love to use on this site. I appreciate the discussion and your view very much though. There are so many different ways to analyze a boxer. Some people put more stock into statistics and strength of schedule and other's instead, put more weight on the eye test. I happen to be more of the latter.

My thinking is this: Here's a boxer trying to take on the best boxers in the world but he also happens to be the most avoided boxer in the history of the game. So I'm going to analyze him by using the information that we do have and gauge his worth on what he's done in his fights against the people that actually signed on to fight him. What my eyes are seeing is that this could very well be the best Boxer I've ever seen in my life.

In GGG's last 8 fights, his opponents have a combined record of 247-21. That is a crazy winning percentage for his opposition. And he didn't just barely win any of these fight by a decision that he mustered late in the fight. He steamrolled these boxers at an alarming rate.

Maybe GGG is the very reason why the Middleweight Division appears to be so diluted with talent. He's that much better than everyone at the moment that we can't think of a person that could contend with him. If GGG never existed, all of these other boxers would be much more elevated in fan's eyes. Everything is relative I guess is what I'm saying.