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Is the excuse people bring up when debates start for potential fights Like GGG vs Ward or GGG vs Mayweather. What people dont understand by this idiotic statement is a breakdown I will make for some casual fans to understand the situation a little bit better.

So Golovkin fans demand Mayweather to fight Golovkin at 154 (Or even better at 160) , Ward Fans demand Golovkin to fight Ward at 168, And Kovalev fans demand Ward to fight Ward at 175.. Thats a big cycle of "Double Standards" , lets get things straight and compare the frame of these 4 fighters.

(According to boxrec)

Mayweather: 5' 8" with a 72" reach
Golovkin: 5" 10 1/2" with a 70" reach
Ward: 6" 0 with a 71" reach
Kovalev: 6" 0 with a 72 1/2" reach

Now lets talk about the "Golovkin hasnt moved up a single weight class". This is true, but we have to consider the Age When these boxers decided to turn pro, lets see then.

Mayweather: 19 years and 8 months (130Lb)
Golovkin: 24 years and 1 month (160Lb)
Ward: 20 Years and 10 months (160Lb)
Kovalev: 26 Years and 3 months (175Lb)

So since he turned pro floyd Mayweather has moved up 5 weight classes (154) , Golovkin has moved zero weight classes, Ward has moved 1 weight class (168), Kovalev has moved zero weight classes.

Now, try to make your head think a little bit better and lets compare their Weights by the Age of 19 (When Floyd Mayweather turned Pro)

(19 Years Old)Mayweather: 130Lb
(19 Years Old)Golovkin: 140Lb (He was an Amateur Light welterweight, anything Between 132 to 141)
(19 Years Old)Ward: 175Lb (He was the Amateur USA Light Heavyweight Champion, Anything between 165 to 178)
(19 Years Old)Kovalev: 160Lb (He was an amateur Middleweight, anything between 152 to 165)

So Since then lets compare how much weight they gained:

Mayweather: 130 to 154 = +24 Lb
Golovkin: 140 to 160 = +20 Lb
Ward: 175 to 168 = -7 Lb
Kovalev: 160 to 175 = +15Lb

So we can all agree and understand that Andre Ward is Physically MUCH bigger than Gennady Golovkin, as seen by his frame and Same Age Weights.. One more interesting statistic is that Ward is fighting in a SMALLER division than he was fighting back at 19 Years of age.. Whereas Golovkin has gained significant Amount of weight..

So all you guys dissing Golovkin for not moving a SINGLE weight class in his pro career should stop doing so and let the guy unify his division, since he has already gained Lb but he was an amateur, both Ward and Mayweather turned Pro very young when their body could still grow, thats Why Mayweather has already moved up 5 weight classes. What you also cant understand is that Mayweather has been fighting for TEN years between 147-150, whereas Golovkin is a Pro just 9 years and has been fighting around 158-160 in his natural weight class.

On the other hand Ward is fighting in a smaller class than when he was an amateur.. So he is the one "Not challenging" himself, and has no right to accuse and demand others to move up in weight to fight HIM.

P.S Forgive me for any Grammar errors
P.S 2 I dont intend to start ANY arguement, Just stating some facts for people to understand

The guys a middleweight so let him be a middleweight and fight other middleweights, thats why we have weight divisions so you can compete at your best weight against the best the division has to offer, if the divisions poor then theres nothing you can do but dominate that division, why move to another weight that doesnt suit you just because another name resides there ?

littlepug wrote:The guys a middleweight so let him be a middleweight and fight other middleweights, thats why we have weight divisions so you can compete at your best weight against the best the division has to offer, if the divisions poor then theres nothing you can do but dominate that division, why move to another weight that doesnt suit you just because another name resides there ?

Please read what I posted... Geez

Fantastic OP and inclusion of facts that KoolKC can't even argue about with his continuous crusade to bring GGG down.

Complaining about a boxer's weight classes never made sense to me. I can't remember anyone ever giving Tommy Hearns or Sugar Ray Leonard any guff for not fighting in a particular weight class. And let's just put things into perspective, GGG is done growing. It's not like he's Chavez Jr who's clearly grown out of his weight class but prefers to fight smaller people.

I do think that before GGG hangs up the gloves, he will have a mega fight at a different weight. I'm sure that he'd prefer to go down as opposed to up but eventually, after he consolidates the MW straps he'll have to cash that check.

Maybe Floyd will take the bait. Man that would be something.

caldo2025 wrote:Fantastic OP and inclusion of facts that KoolKC can't even argue about with his continuous crusade to bring GGG down.

Complaining about a boxer's weight classes never made sense to me. I can't remember anyone ever giving Tommy Hearns or Sugar Ray Leonard any guff for not fighting in a particular weight class. And let's just put things into perspective, GGG is done growing. It's not like he's Chavez Jr who's clearly grown out of his weight class but prefers to fight smaller people.

I do think that before GGG hangs up the gloves, he will have a mega fight at a different weight. I'm sure that he'd prefer to go down as opposed to up but eventually, after he consolidates the MW straps he'll have to cash that check.

Maybe Floyd will take the bait. Man that would be something.

I agree with everything except the fact that you prefer GGG to move down in the future, moving down in weight in an advanced age can be fatal for a fighter (As seen with Dawson and Roy Jones Jr) Id Prefer him to move up when he surpasses Bernard's Middleweight record, become a 2 division world champion fight the biggest names there then retire.

Aaronide_ger wrote:

littlepug wrote:The guys a middleweight so let him be a middleweight and fight other middleweights, thats why we have weight divisions so you can compete at your best weight against the best the division has to offer, if the divisions poor then theres nothing you can do but dominate that division, why move to another weight that doesnt suit you just because another name resides there ?

Please read what I posted... Geez

wasnt aimed at you, was more a case of backing you up

littlepug wrote:wasnt aimed at you, was more a case of backing you up

When I made the title of this thread I knew that some people will mislead it, Sorry then my bad.

I thought it was clear as day that Gennady is not even a big middleweight, so the ridiculous demand for him to move up is just weak sauce. He has every right to fight where he feels most comfortable, and potentially move up when he has the right offer. I wish he had the chance to fight Froch, because Carl would have been face down twerking on the canvas and GGG's value would have gone way up.

Let's also note that reach data is highly unreliable.

Aaronide_ger wrote:Is the excuse people bring up when debates start for potential fights Like GGG vs Ward or GGG vs Mayweather. What people dont understand by this idiotic statement is a breakdown I will make for some casual fans to understand the situation a little bit better.

So Golovkin fans demand Mayweather to fight Golovkin at 154 (Or even better at 160) , Ward Fans demand Golovkin to fight Ward at 168, And Kovalev fans demand Ward to fight Ward at 175.. Thats a big cycle of "Double Standards" , lets get things straight and compare the frame of these 4 fighters.

(According to boxrec)

Mayweather: 5' 8" with a 72" reach
Golovkin: 5" 10 1/2" with a 70" reach
Ward: 6" 0 with a 71" reach
Kovalev: 6" 0 with a 72 1/2" reach

Now lets talk about the "Golovkin hasnt moved up a single weight class". This is true, but we have to consider the Age When these boxers decided to turn pro, lets see then.

Mayweather: 19 years and 8 months (130Lb)
Golovkin: 24 years and 1 month (160Lb)
Ward: 20 Years and 10 months (160Lb)
Kovalev: 26 Years and 3 months (175Lb)

So since he turned pro floyd Mayweather has moved up 5 weight classes (154) , Golovkin has moved zero weight classes, Ward has moved 1 weight class (168), Kovalev has moved zero weight classes.

Now, try to make your head think a little bit better and lets compare their Weights by the Age of 19 (When Floyd Mayweather turned Pro)

(19 Years Old)Mayweather: 130Lb
(19 Years Old)Golovkin: 140Lb (He was an Amateur Light welterweight, anything Between 132 to 141)
(19 Years Old)Ward: 175Lb (He was the Amateur USA Light Heavyweight Champion, Anything between 165 to 178)
(19 Years Old)Kovalev: 160Lb (He was an amateur Middleweight, anything between 152 to 165)

So Since then lets compare how much weight they gained:

Mayweather: 130 to 154 = +24 Lb
Golovkin: 140 to 160 = +20 Lb
Ward: 175 to 168 = -7 Lb
Kovalev: 160 to 175 = +15Lb

So we can all agree and understand that Andre Ward is Physically MUCH bigger than Gennady Golovkin, as seen by his frame and Same Age Weights.. One more interesting statistic is that Ward is fighting in a SMALLER division than he was fighting back at 19 Years of age.. Whereas Golovkin has gained significant Amount of weight..

So all you guys dissing Golovkin for not moving a SINGLE weight class in his pro career should stop doing so and let the guy unify his division, since he has already gained Lb but he was an amateur, both Ward and Mayweather turned Pro very young when their body could still grow, thats Why Mayweather has already moved up 5 weight classes. What you also cant understand is that Mayweather has been fighting for TEN years between 147-150, whereas Golovkin is a Pro just 9 years and has been fighting around 158-160 in his natural weight class.

On the other hand Ward is fighting in a smaller class than when he was an amateur.. So he is the one "Not challenging" himself, and has no right to accuse and demand others to move up in weight to fight HIM.

P.S Forgive me for any Grammar errors
P.S 2 I dont intend to start ANY arguement, Just stating some facts for people to understand

Golovkin also doesn't claim to be "TBE" or The Best of All Time. FACT

If you're TBE, prove it.

There's no rule that says you have to move up a weight class. Marvin Hagler is regarded as an All Time Great, and his entire career was fought as a Middleweight.

Fighters move up for 3 reasons

1.can't make weight or its getting tougher to make it.

2. To find a greater challenge.

3.or to get that money fight.

GGG obviously has no trouble making weight atleast i haven't heard of.

GGG is waiting for his big "challenge/payday" with Canelo and Cotto but GGG brings nothing to the table these guys can make just as much money fighting lesser fighters.

Since GGG is regarded as such a monster then him facing ward shouldn't be no biggie right?

But it seems like it is for GGG and his handlers.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Fighters move up for 3 reasons

1.can't make weight or its getting tougher to make it.

2. To find a greater challenge.

3.or to get that money fight.

GGG obviously has no trouble making weight atleast i haven't heard of.

GGG is waiting for his big "challenge/payday" with Canelo and Cotto but GGG brings nothing to the table these guys can make just as much money fighting lesser fighters.

Since GGG is regarded as such a monster then him facing ward shouldn't be no biggie right?

Well it seems like it is for GGG and his handlers.

Brings nothing? Golovkin vs Canelo in Texas would bring more than 50K fans in a stadium, Mexico vs Mexican Style Golovkin, Canelo will get a huge payday. ( If he beats cotto)

The Revival wrote:There's no rule that says you have to move up a weight class. Marvin Hagler is regarded as an All Time Great, and his entire career was fought as a Middleweight.

Aaron Pryor and Joe Calzaghe didn't move up any class neither.

IKSRTFO wrote:

The Revival wrote:There's no rule that says you have to move up a weight class. Marvin Hagler is regarded as an All Time Great, and his entire career was fought as a Middleweight.

Aaron Pryor and Joe Calzaghe didn't move up any class neither.

Well Joe C did go up to Light Heavyweight toward the end of his career, but yeah you get my point.

Every single bit of fanboy drivel in the OP is made completely irrelevant by the fighter himself.

It is he and his team that opened the door to challenges in other weight classes.

We would be fine with him doing just like Hagler...except he is the one saying he will go down for one guy but not another, and up for some guys but not others.

Nice try justifying your idol, tho.

Can anyone confirm whether OP is TML?

Every time I see GGG I think he's small for a M/W let alone S/M. No reason at all he should move up.

I love that Brut is going to hear Gennady's name for the rest of his life, earned or not it's hilarious. For Ever

Lackeos wrote:Can anyone confirm whether OP is TML?

I don't think so. Has too good understanding of boxing and lacks the homosexual vibe

Great post from the OP.

Aaronide_ger wrote:Is the excuse people bring up when debates start for potential fights Like GGG vs Ward or GGG vs Mayweather. What people dont understand by this idiotic statement is a breakdown I will make for some casual fans to understand the situation a little bit better.

So Golovkin fans demand Mayweather to fight Golovkin at 154 (Or even better at 160) , Ward Fans demand Golovkin to fight Ward at 168, And Kovalev fans demand Ward to fight Ward at 175.. Thats a big cycle of "Double Standards" , lets get things straight and compare the frame of these 4 fighters.

(According to boxrec)

Mayweather: 5' 8" with a 72" reach
Golovkin: 5" 10 1/2" with a 70" reach
Ward: 6" 0 with a 71" reach
Kovalev: 6" 0 with a 72 1/2" reach

Now lets talk about the "Golovkin hasnt moved up a single weight class". This is true, but we have to consider the Age When these boxers decided to turn pro, lets see then.

Mayweather: 19 years and 8 months (130Lb)
Golovkin: 24 years and 1 month (160Lb)
Ward: 20 Years and 10 months (160Lb)
Kovalev: 26 Years and 3 months (175Lb)

So since he turned pro floyd Mayweather has moved up 5 weight classes (154) , Golovkin has moved zero weight classes, Ward has moved 1 weight class (168), Kovalev has moved zero weight classes.

Now, try to make your head think a little bit better and lets compare their Weights by the Age of 19 (When Floyd Mayweather turned Pro)

(19 Years Old)Mayweather: 130Lb
(19 Years Old)Golovkin: 140Lb (He was an Amateur Light welterweight, anything Between 132 to 141)
(19 Years Old)Ward: 175Lb (He was the Amateur USA Light Heavyweight Champion, Anything between 165 to 178)
(19 Years Old)Kovalev: 160Lb (He was an amateur Middleweight, anything between 152 to 165)

So Since then lets compare how much weight they gained:

Mayweather: 130 to 154 = +24 Lb
Golovkin: 140 to 160 = +20 Lb
Ward: 175 to 168 = -7 Lb
Kovalev: 160 to 175 = +15Lb

So we can all agree and understand that Andre Ward is Physically MUCH bigger than Gennady Golovkin, as seen by his frame and Same Age Weights.. One more interesting statistic is that Ward is fighting in a SMALLER division than he was fighting back at 19 Years of age.. Whereas Golovkin has gained significant Amount of weight..

So all you guys dissing Golovkin for not moving a SINGLE weight class in his pro career should stop doing so and let the guy unify his division, since he has already gained Lb but he was an amateur, both Ward and Mayweather turned Pro very young when their body could still grow, thats Why Mayweather has already moved up 5 weight classes. What you also cant understand is that Mayweather has been fighting for TEN years between 147-150, whereas Golovkin is a Pro just 9 years and has been fighting around 158-160 in his natural weight class.

On the other hand Ward is fighting in a smaller class than when he was an amateur.. So he is the one "Not challenging" himself, and has no right to accuse and demand others to move up in weight to fight HIM.

P.S Forgive me for any Grammar errors
P.S 2 I dont intend to start ANY arguement, Just stating some facts for people to understand

I agree. Ward is too big for GGG, and at GGG's age a move down would be a risky proposition.

GGG may be forced to move up, only because he can't find the big fights at 160, simple economics, however as Ward is moving up to 175 now, that's another fight gone, because no way can GGG fight at 175, he's not big enough.

Nobody should diss anyone for staying at their best fighting weight.

Lackeos wrote:Can anyone confirm whether OP is TML?

Who is TML?

Aaronide_ger wrote:Is the excuse people bring up when debates start for potential fights Like GGG vs Ward or GGG vs Mayweather. What people dont understand by this idiotic statement is a breakdown I will make for some casual fans to understand the situation a little bit better.

So Golovkin fans demand Mayweather to fight Golovkin at 154 (Or even better at 160) , Ward Fans demand Golovkin to fight Ward at 168, And Kovalev fans demand Ward to fight Ward at 175.. Thats a big cycle of "Double Standards" , lets get things straight and compare the frame of these 4 fighters.

(According to boxrec)

Mayweather: 5' 8" with a 72" reach
Golovkin: 5" 10 1/2" with a 70" reach
Ward: 6" 0 with a 71" reach
Kovalev: 6" 0 with a 72 1/2" reach

Now lets talk about the "Golovkin hasnt moved up a single weight class". This is true, but we have to consider the Age When these boxers decided to turn pro, lets see then.

Mayweather: 19 years and 8 months (130Lb)
Golovkin: 24 years and 1 month (160Lb)
Ward: 20 Years and 10 months (160Lb)
Kovalev: 26 Years and 3 months (175Lb)

So since he turned pro floyd Mayweather has moved up 5 weight classes (154) , Golovkin has moved zero weight classes, Ward has moved 1 weight class (168), Kovalev has moved zero weight classes.

Now, try to make your head think a little bit better and lets compare their Weights by the Age of 19 (When Floyd Mayweather turned Pro)

(19 Years Old)Mayweather: 130Lb
(19 Years Old)Golovkin: 140Lb (He was an Amateur Light welterweight, anything Between 132 to 141)
(19 Years Old)Ward: 175Lb (He was the Amateur USA Light Heavyweight Champion, Anything between 165 to 178)
(19 Years Old)Kovalev: 160Lb (He was an amateur Middleweight, anything between 152 to 165)

So Since then lets compare how much weight they gained:

Mayweather: 130 to 154 = +24 Lb
Golovkin: 140 to 160 = +20 Lb
Ward: 175 to 168 = -7 Lb
Kovalev: 160 to 175 = +15Lb

So we can all agree and understand that Andre Ward is Physically MUCH bigger than Gennady Golovkin, as seen by his frame and Same Age Weights.. One more interesting statistic is that Ward is fighting in a SMALLER division than he was fighting back at 19 Years of age.. Whereas Golovkin has gained significant Amount of weight..

So all you guys dissing Golovkin for not moving a SINGLE weight class in his pro career should stop doing so and let the guy unify his division, since he has already gained Lb but he was an amateur, both Ward and Mayweather turned Pro very young when their body could still grow, thats Why Mayweather has already moved up 5 weight classes. What you also cant understand is that Mayweather has been fighting for TEN years between 147-150, whereas Golovkin is a Pro just 9 years and has been fighting around 158-160 in his natural weight class.

On the other hand Ward is fighting in a smaller class than when he was an amateur.. So he is the one "Not challenging" himself, and has no right to accuse and demand others to move up in weight to fight HIM.

P.S Forgive me for any Grammar errors
P.S 2 I dont intend to start ANY arguement, Just stating some facts for people to understand

I just wanted to point out that Floyd has never made the 154lb weight limit, if anything he has always dropped below in every weight class by as much as 3lbs especially on fight night.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:I just wanted to point out that Floyd has never made the 154lb weight limit, if anything he has always dropped below in every weight class by as much as 3lbs especially on fight night.

Yes I have pointed that out in the topic and you can see me saying that he is for the last 10 years 147-150. But it doesnt matter what you weight but the division you are fighting, because Floyd fought DLH & Cotto at the full 154 limit.. thats what matters.