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Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 19:40
by caldo2025
Dear Floyd:

You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it.

Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guy reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three.

Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight.

Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well.

Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same.

You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.

Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them.

Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise.

You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 19:43
by gilgamesh
The only thing that letter shows is Oscar's own insecurities about himself, and his career. He comes off extremely petty here.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 19:48
by Ricky_
2 retired has-beens as far as i'm concerned. If Oscars so keen on boxing moving on then why write the letters in the first place??

Thankfully master clincher is done. Good riddance. Niw let's watch some fights. Next up; Cotto vs Canelo.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 19:52
by Nightmare Roy
I don't like Floyd much, but he's taken on plenty of undefeated fighters in their prime. I agree he's not exciting to watch either but he's had a great career. Sounds a bit like bitterness and sour grapes from Oscar here.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 20:26
by jas80s
Entirely too harsh in my estimation...

As a boxing fan, the only time Floyd really disappointed me was in the Manny fight (where they both did). Overall in his career, I think he was masterful. Perhaps very near the end, he became a little more defensive, but that's not entirely unreasonable for a guy in his late thirties who probably sensed that his reaction speed was slipping a little in all likelihood...

His resume and career are perfectly fine, TBE? No....ATG? Yes...

But, Oscar might have a point here. Overall, boxing probably does better when the marquee fighters are action types with KO power. Just a fact. But he needn't have been so petty.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 20:29
by punchoutsb
Oscar is just trying to keep his name and Canelo/Cotto in the news. Not a bad way to do it, honestly. Floyd still gets a lot of media coverage.

The best part of all of it is thinking how Brut in his many forms is tearing at the computer screen at the library screaming, "No Oscar, you're wrong...you're wrong" with tears streaming down his face. I'm sure one of his personas will be in this thread soon enough...I'm just glad I won't have to read it 8)

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 22:01
by sucracristo
at least i read something from playboy before it goes out of business in the
next year or so. every once in a while i hear some announcement being made
by them and am reminded it still exists, like when people complain about
who is on the cover of time magazine. i'm like, time magazine is still an
actual thing?

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 22:41
by Taansend
There's no way Floyd will be able to read that letter. Many of the words have more than one syllable.

On a serious note, I'd hardly say that Oscar has 'destroyed' Floyd. The OP is getting a bit dramatic again.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 22:45
by kidbazooka1
Never been a huge Oscar fan but i feel where he's coming from.

But i highly doubt Floyd is really retired.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 02:52
by man
two things.

of course every non-biased boxing afficionado knows
that floyd managed his "0" very, very carefully and that
refers to his match making as much as to his style in the
ring. yes, one can spend five pages of posts how that
was not so, because ... because ... but it wouldn't take
more than one post to prove that oscar had indeed a
very different attitude.

for the "money" thing, i find it slightly ironic, if a man
who chose "golden" as his own fighter name, brings it
up.

all in all i do not really get the motivation behind this
post, oh ... :doh: ... i do ... it is an attempt to squeeze
one more fight out of floyd.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 03:15
by Gnome
IIf Mayweather wasn't a collosal DB, I would say that de la Hoya was being harsh (I defend Klitschko when people accuse him of being boring, for example). But "Money" Mayweather is a horrible human being, so eff him. Betcha dollars to doughtnuts the guy will be broke in five years too.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 03:21
by Ezzard
He's right that Floyd staying out of boxing would be great for the sport.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 05:45
by Butterbean
Spot on. God work from delahoya here...

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 07:34
by caldo2025
I think that Oscar had a few goals with this letter:

#1 He's trying desperately to make Canelo the heir to Floyd's throne. And why not? He's got a huge following and this fight with Cotto is a sure fire classic to be imo. So he's trying to draw more attention to it.

#2 Oscar would have a large stake in a GGG/Floyd mega fight and he's obviously trying to smoke Floyd out of his hole and mess with his treasured legacy. Floyd's not very deep so Oscar is pretty much challenging Floyd here to take on GGG and have some nuggets.

#3 Oscar is still butt hurt and just doesn't like Floyd. Yes Floyd made the most money a boxer can make but now what? He can't read and he's obviously not going to beat Oscar in his promoting profession so might as well talk shiit about it.

Obviously, i loved the letter and agreed with every word Oscar wrote as a non fan of Floyd but Oscar needs to let it go after this. He's said his piece now let it go. The last thing that i want to see is two retired guys fighting it out in the media and not in the ring. Let the young cats run with boxing now. It's their time.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 08:41
by koolkc107
Oscar is definitely not over Floyd.

Very humorous and so telling as an insight into who Oscar is.

As to his claims, I see how casual fans will swallow this hook, line, and sinker...but most afficionados and real students of the game know how special Mayweather was.

And quite amusing how his hateration gets in the way of him being truthful- DLH more than anyone knows Floyd didn't duck Cheato but it didn't stop Oscar from lying. Or including the fact that a whole lot of folks ducked Paul Williams in his prime, not just Floyd.

No doubt Oscar will be writing one of these every year or so unless he takes up fishnet therapy again...

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 08:42
by johnswan1
Well said from Oscar. And he's right, apart from running at the end of the Trinidad fight, he really did take on all comers, just like Trinidad and Vargas did. For me anybody who cherry picks opponents like Floyd did will always carry a big * against their name when compared alongside other greats.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 08:52
by Ian1973
Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 09:14
by Taansend
man wrote: for the "money" thing, i find it slightly ironic, if a man
who chose "golden" as his own fighter name, brings it up.
I thought the 'Golden' nickname was because he was the only American to win Gold at the Barca Olympics?

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 09:48
by koolkc107
Ian1973 wrote:Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".
Right about what?

Floyd is "boring"?

I understand why casual fans would think and say that. But I notice that the only folks IN THE GAME who say it are boxers who got their ass whipped by Floyd (or folks in business with the loser).

Most boxing folk with no dog in the hunt marvel at what Mayweather does in the ring.

About Floyd running?

He doesn't run, he boxes...and comes FORWARD during significant portions of ALL his fights. Good of Oscar to mention he "ran" against Trinidad but he should have also mentioned what he said right after he found out he lost that fight. How he excused his actions as "giving Tito a boxing lesson". For the record, I agreed with that. Even backing up, Oscar landed more punches and had the clearer ones as well. But the sad part is what he did is much closer to "running" than anything Mayweather did as a welter.

As for Castillo, Floyd won both...clearly. JLC had some hellacious rounds, but he lost at least 2 more than he won. And lost even more convincingly the second time around.

Folks can hate all they want, but Floyd's legacy in the top alltime P4P conversation is secure. He isn't the GOAT as he likes to say, but no debate about the GOAT will ever be complete without his name being mentioned.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 10:21
by forestbox
if u want the best to fight the best why not u let canelo fight ggg?

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 11:11
by ImranSarwar
Ricky_ wrote:2 retired has-beens as far as i'm concerned. If Oscars so keen on boxing moving on then why write the letters in the first place??

Thankfully master clincher is done. Good riddance. Niw let's watch some fights. Next up; Cotto vs Canelo.
"dang", HAS BEEND! that is pretty huge joke on deliver, ISN'T IT?
My FAN OF BOXING, I LOOK FOR the "positives"! Today I was studying the record of John Kiser. KO 1 loss in 2 Nd of three matches in Denmark but he came back "smoothly and very NICE"! & finished his career 4-0.
TRUE some w/Floyd. TRUE Oscar boxing Bernard was "big balls"! BUT: Floyd boxing Canelo Alvarez....don't forget...Floyd "stepped up" there, too! SHOWED ME HE HAD A > LOT < OF MOXY!
Should Floyd come-back to meet Gennady Golovkin at the two weight divisions JUMP. IS IT SUICIDE? WELL....we really "can't know" unless it was to happen. But, OF COURSE THAT IS BIG RISKY!
(860)515-7680 my cell// I WOULD WORK TO MAKE THAT MATCH COME BUT......you can imagine....the $$$$$$$ got to compare with what FM made against Manny. I am thinking that the REAL BLOCK to that bout taking a TRUE SIMMERING..was that their wasn't any real base on the "MONEY". ["my basics", a.t.t. match will need to be in a designated location of which I myself have "certain restriction" a.t.t. as far as being "involved" all-out..... they can pay me a even/clean 1.2 million to BE THE PRIMARY PROMOTER. + we "must" be under UWBCAFO-I RULES (read me really close at fb Chris Uwbcafo-i) of which, I am constantly working to bring a "echeloning effect" to the Sport. For instance, is no was "even possible" that "Ibo" has ANY RECOGNITION at any production I will INVOLVE MYSELF WITH. Then, too we are looking at EACH FIGHT! UWBCAFO-I we dq the 'C' div. (I can DEAL with the weight class but...we are re-setting the LIMITS at 190/195 lb "champions choice"/if the title is VAC we will put that at 190. I can do a "UWBCAFO-I" sanctioning there if conditions are correct and their is at least one correlation at the first & major FOUR that would solidly STAND-UP. "200lb.setting" RUIN THE HVY- div history. IT REALLY DO!). Plus of course they are covering "expenses". I am "friendship" w/Abel Sanchez so....right there we can "open".
I have NO IDEA WHO WINS THIS FIGHT! BUT..
--IF-- Floyd were to lose it would be "Nobel" at least and he "shouldn't for a min." *worry the after about it! And, should he win, we all know that YET everyone will down play it as Gennady being "yet unproven". So....you can't win. But, to "win" at the bank. HARD TO THINK Floyd May too "worried" there YES I AM SURE HE KNOWS THE RISKS.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 11:21
by ImranSarwar
:box:
forestbox wrote:if u want the best to fight the best why not u let canelo fight ggg?

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 12:42
by Boxing Writer
koolkc107 wrote:
Ian1973 wrote:Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".
Right about what?

Floyd is "boring"?

I understand why casual fans would think and say that. But I notice that the only folks IN THE GAME who say it are boxers who got their ass whipped by Floyd (or folks in business with the loser).

Most boxing folk with no dog in the hunt marvel at what Mayweather does in the ring.

About Floyd running?

He doesn't run, he boxes...and comes FORWARD during significant portions of ALL his fights. Good of Oscar to mention he "ran" against Trinidad but he should have also mentioned what he said right after he found out he lost that fight. How he excused his actions as "giving Tito a boxing lesson". For the record, I agreed with that. Even backing up, Oscar landed more punches and had the clearer ones as well. But the sad part is what he did is much closer to "running" than anything Mayweather did as a welter.

As for Castillo, Floyd won both...clearly. JLC had some hellacious rounds, but he lost at least 2 more than he won. And lost even more convincingly the second time around.

Folks can hate all they want, but Floyd's legacy in the top alltime P4P conversation is secure. He isn't the GOAT as he likes to say, but no debate about the GOAT will ever be complete without his name being mentioned.
Floyd is one of the greatest fighters of all time, but he was really boring. I mean BORING. Clearly the most boring ATG and HOF fighter in history of boxing in my opinion. Some people call Wlad, Lennox and Hopkins "boring fighters", but Floyd makes each of them look like super exciting in comparison. And I don't hate Floyd at all - I think he beat Oscar by pretty big margin (117:111) and won all 12 rounds against Canelo. He was great, great fighter. Top-10 of all time in my opinion. But extremely boring.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 13:13
by koolkc107
The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

Re: Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 13:33
by ImranSarwar
koolkc107 wrote:
Ian1973 wrote:Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".
Right about what?

Floyd is "boring"?

I understand why casual fans would think and say that. But I notice that the only folks IN THE GAME who say it are boxers who got their ass whipped by Floyd (or folks in business with the loser).

Most boxing folk with no dog in the hunt marvel at what Mayweather does in the ring.

About Floyd running?

He doesn't run, he boxes...and comes FORWARD during significant portions of ALL his fights. Good of Oscar to mention he "ran" against Trinidad but he should have also mentioned what he said right after he found out he lost that fight. How he excused his actions as "giving Tito a boxing lesson". For the record, I agreed with that. Even backing up, Oscar landed more punches and had the clearer ones as well. But the sad part is what he did is much closer to "running" than anything Mayweather did as a welter.

As for Castillo, Floyd won both...clearly. JLC had some hellacious rounds, but he lost at least 2 more than he won. And lost even more convincingly the second time around.

Folks can hate all they want, but Floyd's legacy in the top alltime P4P conversation is secure. He isn't the GOAT as he likes to say, but no debate about the GOAT will ever be complete without his name being mentioned.
Costillo only 1St bout was in question at all.