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BWH Rankings as of 24 July 2015:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bryant Jennings
6. Carlos Takam
7. Vyacheslav Glazkov
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Ruslan Chagaev
10. Artur Szpilka
11. Dereck Chisora
12= Malik Scott
12= Erkan Teper
14. Steve Cunningham
15. Anthony Joshua

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Alexander Povetkin's TKO12 win over Mariusz Wach?

My vote: Povetkin remains at #1, Wach remains unranked.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Bermane Stiverne's UD10 win over with Derric Rossy?

My vote: Stiverne to #11, Consugera remains unranked.

Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Povetkin, Wach, Stiverne and Rossy. Posting your own top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner than I have done above.

No change other than Stiverne down to #14 (though ironically Rossy is probably one of the best three fighters he's beaten)

Stiverne to #15, no changes to the rest.

Povetkin - Stays at No. 1
Stiverne - Down to No. 14
The rest - Stay out

Povetkin #1
Stiverne #12

Topic A - Povetkin remains at #1

Topic B - Stiverne to #15

No other changes

Povetkin remains at #1, Wach remains unranked.
Stiverne to #7, Rossy remains unranked.

Povetkin - Stays at No. 1
Stiverne - Down to No. 9

No other changes

Povetkin remains at #1, Wach remains unranked.
Stiverne to #10, Rossy remains unranked.

tiny_acres wrote:Povetkin #1
Stiverne #12

Funnily enough, this actually isn't possible, because Scott and Teper currently share the #12 ranking. If you want Stiverne ahead of them, he must be demoted to #11. If you want him rated equally with them, then he will be #11=. If you want him rated below them, then he's #13.

That said, there's actually no need to change your vote, it's perfectly acceptable as-is, just thought I'd point this out.

Povetkin drops from mandatory spot to no2
Stirverne drops out and Hughie Fury comes in at number 15

signed
Jose Sulaiman

ring ring, ring ring
"Mr Sulaiman, that's Mr Haymon on the phone to discuss Deontays next title defence"

A) Povetkin at #1, Wach stays out.

B) Stiverne #11, Consugera stays out.

davie wrote:Povetkin drops from mandatory spot to no2
Stirverne drops out and Hughie Fury comes in at number 15

signed
Jose Sulaiman

ring ring, ring ring
"Mr Sulaiman, that's Mr Haymon on the phone to discuss Deontays next title defence"

Is that a real vote? I can accept it as a vote, except the Hughie Fury bit.

jezzamundo wrote:

davie wrote:Povetkin drops from mandatory spot to no2
Stirverne drops out and Hughie Fury comes in at number 15

signed
Jose Sulaiman

ring ring, ring ring
"Mr Sulaiman, that's Mr Haymon on the phone to discuss Deontays next title defence"

Is that a real vote? I can accept it as a vote, except the Hughie Fury bit.

I'm guessing you noted the sarcasm in it.
Please discard as nonsense.

I'd keep Povetkin no1
Stiverne to 10

The other 2 stay unranked (as does Hughie)

Povetkin #1
Stiverne #13

What are these rankings based on?
AJ should be much much higher in my opinion, Joseph Parker isn't even ranked?
Chisora? Isn't that the guy who recently won on points against Marcelo Luiz Nascimento who lost on KO withing 2 rounds against Dillian Whyte?
What on earth did he do to deserve a rank in the top 15? Or 15? 11 even!

I'm sorry, but I really struggle to take this list serious actually.

My personal list is something like this:

1 Klitschko
2 Povetkin
3 Kubrat Pulev
4 Ruslan Chagaev
5 Anthony Joshua
6 Joseph Parker
7 Bryant Jennings
8 Tyson Fury
9 Deontay Wilder
10 Carlos Takam
11 Alexander Ustinov
12 Vyacheslav Glazkov
13 Lucas Browne
14 Erkan Teper
15 Arthur Szpilka


And Teper might soon get kicked out by Robert Helenius actually.

asdfjkl wrote:What are these rankings based on?

Its based on accomplishments, as any sport rankings should be.

asdfjkl wrote:I'm sorry, but I really struggle to take this list serious actually.

My personal list is something like this:

Your list is terrible.

Horse wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'm sorry, but I really struggle to take this list serious actually.

My personal list is something like this:

Your list is terrible.

Well he is an idiot

asdfjkl wrote:What are these rankings based on?
AJ should be much much higher in my opinion, Joseph Parker isn't even ranked?
Chisora? Isn't that the guy who recently won on points against Marcelo Luiz Nascimento who lost on KO withing 2 rounds against Dillian Whyte?
What on earth did he do to deserve a rank in the top 15? Or 15? 11 even!

I'm sorry, but I really struggle to take this list serious actually.

My personal list is something like this:

1 Klitschko
2 Povetkin
3 Kubrat Pulev
4 Ruslan Chagaev
5 Anthony Joshua
6 Joseph Parker
7 Bryant Jennings
8 Tyson Fury
9 Deontay Wilder
10 Carlos Takam
11 Alexander Ustinov
12 Vyacheslav Glazkov
13 Lucas Browne
14 Erkan Teper
15 Arthur Szpilka


And Teper might soon get kicked out by Robert Helenius actually.

Obviously you realise I can't accept that as a vote.

These rankings are based on the votes of the members of the BoxRec forums. People can choose to vote based on whatever criteria they like, but a fighters ranking is only up for vote immediately after they fight. If you don't agree about the ranking of a particular fighter, you have to wait until they next fight to do something about it. While our list isn't perfect, I think it's better than the rankings from any of the ABC organizations, better than the official BoxRec rankings and certainly better than your list.

Joshua's best opponent is someone Chisora has also stopped. Chisora has also beaten Malik Scott, got robbed against Helenius and gave Vitali Klitschko the most competitive fight of the second part of his career.

What justification do you have for having Chagaev so high?

Parker is impressive, I may even have to make a topic based on his win over Kali Meehan, I don't think he'd be out of place in the lower end of the rankings.

"Ok guys, we have this system, and I need your votes on these particular issues, that way everyone gets heard. Please do not post your own list, that won't count, that's not how this works. We have to vote within our system, or else it makes no sense.

-"HERE'S MY LIST!!!!! THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!! I DON'T UNDERSTAND A VOTING SYSTEM, AND MY MITTENS ARE PINNED TO MY JACKET ALL YEAR LONG!!!"

Every. Fvcking. Time.

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:What are these rankings based on?

Its based on accomplishments, as any sport rankings should be.

If that's true Stiverne should only be ranked higher after his last win.

tiny_acres wrote:

Horse wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I'm sorry, but I really struggle to take this list serious actually.

My personal list is something like this:

Your list is terrible.

Well he is an idiot

I'm so happy it's you who's saying it.

jezzamundo wrote: Obviously you realise I can't accept that as a vote.

These rankings are based on the votes of the members of the BoxRec forums. People can choose to vote based on whatever criteria they like, but a fighters ranking is only up for vote immediately after they fight. If you don't agree about the ranking of a particular fighter, you have to wait until they next fight to do something about it. While our list isn't perfect, I think it's better than the rankings from any of the ABC organizations, better than the official BoxRec rankings and certainly better than your list.

Joshua's best opponent is someone Chisora has also stopped. Chisora has also beaten Malik Scott, got robbed against Helenius and gave Vitali Klitschko the most competitive fight of the second part of his career.

What justification do you have for having Chagaev so high?

Parker is impressive, I may even have to make a topic based on his win over Kali Meehan, I don't think he'd be out of place in the lower end of the rankings.

So the last impressive thing Chisora did was over two years ago, and let's get real, Malik Scott, he was good, but he sold a match to Wilder later on.
I'm not impressed by him, I expect him to lose within 3 rounds against Anthony Joshua actually.

I've seen Teper boxing, and it wasn't impressive, at all, Stiverne, same story, Cunningham is a good boxer, but only 205 ish pounds, a boxer that scored most of his points in a differend weightdivision. Also, another example of the leveldifference between Europe and America.
Glazkov, a good boxer, but he was a bit on the lucky side in quite a few matches, he's also a bit on the small side for a heavyweight.

I like these rankings unlike those of fight news where Andy Ruiz is top 10

A: no changes.

B: no changes.

I usually give activity points on wins but not this time. I still don't like to drop fighters when they win. Let the others pass him with wins of their own :geek2:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:What are these rankings based on?

Its based on accomplishments, as any sport rankings should be.

If that's true Stiverne should only be ranked higher after his last win.

Beating a journeyman is not an accomplishment for a top 10 fighter. And the fact that this is his only win for nearly a year reduces him in my estimation.