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A few questions:

1. How many promoters in the UK currently?
2. What type of license do they need to have?
2. How many staff does a promotional company typically have, are these full time employees, or do they tend to be paid for as required?
3. With so many TV channels why is it so difficult to get a boxing show onto TV? Is there a niche for a small hall promoter to get his fights onto TV at break even with a plan to develop regular TV viewership?
4. Do promoters typically work as managers, and is the manager/promoter role usually carried out by the same person or two different people within the promotional company?
5. How does a small promoter sign up fighters and are the contracts usually exclusive or option based?
6. How do those contracts detail how much a fighter gets paid? Is it typically based on tickets sold by fighter, quality of opponent, fixed amount?
7. Does the fighter get to veto opponents or is he contracted to fight against whoever his promoter lines him up to face?
8. What costs does a fighter have to incur themselves?
9. Do matchmakers work on a freelance basis or are the best ones signed exclusively to larger promotional firms?
10. What is the scouting process undertaken by promoters to unearth prospects?

johnswan1 wrote:A few questions:

1. How many promoters in the UK currently?
2. What type of license do they need to have?
2. How many staff does a promotional company typically have, are these full time employees, or do they tend to be paid for as required?
3. With so many TV channels why is it so difficult to get a boxing show onto TV? Is there a niche for a small hall promoter to get his fights onto TV at break even with a plan to develop regular TV viewership?
4. Do promoters typically work as managers, and is the manager/promoter role usually carried out by the same person or two different people within the promotional company?
5. How does a small promoter sign up fighters and are the contracts usually exclusive or option based?
6. How do those contracts detail how much a fighter gets paid? Is it typically based on tickets sold by fighter, quality of opponent, fixed amount?
7. Does the fighter get to veto opponents or is he contracted to fight against whoever his promoter lines him up to face?
8. What costs does a fighter have to incur themselves?
9. Do matchmakers work on a freelance basis or are the best ones signed exclusively to larger promotional firms?
10. What is the scouting process undertaken by promoters to unearth prospects?

1. 43
2. Promotors License
2. (2 question 2's?) Anywhere from zero upwards.
3. Small hall promotors don't have or are unwilling to put together a suitable product and stations have no interest in spending money to televise small hall shows when they are unlikely to get an audience. If a boxer struggles to sell tickets to friends and family why would people who don't know low level fighters tune in?
4. Some people do both.
5. They generally don't. They employ on an ad-hoc basis. Some exceptions.
6. All negotiable.
7. It is the managers job to worry about that but if push comes to shove nobody can force a person to compete.
8. Training, nutrition, ring attire, travel, equipment etc etc
9. Either.
10. Almost none.


QUESTIONS IN RETURN.
1. Are you an adult?
2. Are you genuinely thinking of getting into promoting yet need to ask most of these questions?

leejonesjnr wrote:

QUESTIONS IN RETURN.
1. Are you an adult?
2. Are you genuinely thinking of getting into promoting yet need to ask most of these questions?

Thanks for the answers.

1. Yes, and older than you petal.
2. No. But I think the promotional side of it is interesting and isn't something that is regularly discussed. I've been wondering what barriers of entry exist that prevent other promoters from making a significant breakthrough. Ok, if Matchroom have Sky and Warren has allegedly they already have audiences they can deliver to and the best talents will obviously be attracted to that, but what have the likes of Hennessey and Moloney done in the past to allow them compete and why have no others been able do it with sustained success including Hatton, Hayemaker, Coldwell etc. There are surely loads of cheap shitty channels available on freeview to most people that could be used to broadcast shows inexpensively. Hardcore heads will usually tune in to watch competitive fights, or will record them to watch when they have free time. An average level fighter with an exciting personality or style could build a bit of a following on that sort of platform. There should at least be some sort of boxing core freeview to try to ensure there is always something available to anybody curious enough to have a look.

johnswan1 wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

QUESTIONS IN RETURN.
1. Are you an adult?
2. Are you genuinely thinking of getting into promoting yet need to ask most of these questions?

Thanks for the answers.

1. Yes, and older than you petal.
2. No. But I think the promotional side of it is interesting and isn't something that is regularly discussed. I've been wondering what barriers of entry exist that prevent other promoters from making a significant breakthrough. Ok, if Matchroom have Sky and Warren has allegedly they already have audiences they can deliver to and the best talents will obviously be attracted to that, but what have the likes of Hennessey and Moloney done in the past to allow them compete and why have no others been able do it with sustained success including Hatton, Hayemaker, Coldwell etc. There are surely loads of cheap shitty channels available on freeview to most people that could be used to broadcast shows inexpensively. Hardcore heads will usually tune in to watch competitive fights, or will record them to watch when they have free time. An average level fighter with an exciting personality or style could build a bit of a following on that sort of platform. There should at least be some sort of boxing core freeview to try to ensure there is always something available to anybody curious enough to have a look.

Gosh.

Why would a "cheap shitty channel" spend money that they probably don't have, on live Boxing that nobody wants to watch???

johnswan1 wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

QUESTIONS IN RETURN.
1. Are you an adult?
2. Are you genuinely thinking of getting into promoting yet need to ask most of these questions?

Thanks for the answers.

1. Yes, and older than you petal.
2. No. But I think the promotional side of it is interesting and isn't something that is regularly discussed. I've been wondering what barriers of entry exist that prevent other promoters from making a significant breakthrough. Ok, if Matchroom have Sky and Warren has allegedly they already have audiences they can deliver to and the best talents will obviously be attracted to that, but what have the likes of Hennessey and Moloney done in the past to allow them compete and why have no others been able do it with sustained success including Hatton, Hayemaker, Coldwell etc. There are surely loads of cheap shitty channels available on freeview to most people that could be used to broadcast shows inexpensively. Hardcore heads will usually tune in to watch competitive fights, or will record them to watch when they have free time. An average level fighter with an exciting personality or style could build a bit of a following on that sort of platform. There should at least be some sort of boxing core freeview to try to ensure there is always something available to anybody curious enough to have a look.

Getting a boxing card on TV is easy, but it's not cost effective and that's why it happens so rarely.

Those "cheap shitty channels" you speak of would love to have a boxing output, but they do not have the funds to pay for it.

The reality is that Sky Sports is the only broadcaster that makes a significant investment into the sport and they have taken the decision to work with one promoter.

allegedly is Warren's own business, while one would suspect that money paid to Mick Hennessy via CH5 is limited.

For pretty much everyone else, it is a case of having to pay to get on TV and that is rarely feasible.

What people fail to realise is the huge cost associated with putting on a live televised event. At the short end (basic SD filming, limited camera angles, basic commentary) the outlay can easily exceed ten grand. For a good production, the costs can be £30k upwards. As most promoters are already losing money on their shows (because most fighters are paid more than they actually generate in ticket sales and board taxes etc are high), what is the incentive to spend tens of thousands of pounds on exposure?

For the smaller promoters (most of whom are actually trainers and managers who only promote to keep their stables active), it is more effective to do a cheap one or two camera internet broadcast and just keep their fighters winning until they can move them onto a Hearn or Warren. At that stage, they keep an interest in their asset, but no longer have the financial risk.

Wake up call wrote:

johnswan1 wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

QUESTIONS IN RETURN.
1. Are you an adult?
2. Are you genuinely thinking of getting into promoting yet need to ask most of these questions?

Thanks for the answers.

1. Yes, and older than you petal.
2. No. But I think the promotional side of it is interesting and isn't something that is regularly discussed. I've been wondering what barriers of entry exist that prevent other promoters from making a significant breakthrough. Ok, if Matchroom have Sky and Warren has allegedly they already have audiences they can deliver to and the best talents will obviously be attracted to that, but what have the likes of Hennessey and Moloney done in the past to allow them compete and why have no others been able do it with sustained success including Hatton, Hayemaker, Coldwell etc. There are surely loads of cheap shitty channels available on freeview to most people that could be used to broadcast shows inexpensively. Hardcore heads will usually tune in to watch competitive fights, or will record them to watch when they have free time. An average level fighter with an exciting personality or style could build a bit of a following on that sort of platform. There should at least be some sort of boxing core freeview to try to ensure there is always something available to anybody curious enough to have a look.

Getting a boxing card on TV is easy, but it's not cost effective and that's why it happens so rarely.

Those "cheap shitty channels" you speak of would love to have a boxing output, but they do not have the funds to pay for it.

The reality is that Sky Sports is the only broadcaster that makes a significant investment into the sport and they have taken the decision to work with one promoter.

allegedly is Warren's own business, while one would suspect that money paid to Mick Hennessy via CH5 is limited.

For pretty much everyone else, it is a case of having to pay to get on TV and that is rarely feasible.

What people fail to realise is the huge cost associated with putting on a live televised event. At the short end (basic SD filming, limited camera angles, basic commentary) the outlay can easily exceed ten grand. For a good production, the costs can be £30k upwards. As most promoters are already losing money on their shows (because most fighters are paid more than they actually generate in ticket sales and board taxes etc are high), what is the incentive to spend tens of thousands of pounds on exposure?

For the smaller promoters (most of whom are actually trainers and managers who only promote to keep their stables active), it is more effective to do a cheap one or two camera internet broadcast and just keep their fighters winning until they can move them onto a Hearn or Warren. At that stage, they keep an interest in their asset, but no longer have the financial risk.

I am pretty sure the production costs on a allegedly show to be in the region of £60k. When people have come to expect production values of that kind then anything less will not do even if on lesser channel.

My channel shows some MBC on weekend nights. A hardcore boxing fan will watch it but casuals wouldn't show much interest

Very interesting, great comments from all.

what channel is yours kamicazze?

Any promoters/potential future promoters on the boxrec forum?

wesshaw1985 wrote:what channel is yours kamicazze?

He meant the name of the channel is "My channel"

Not sure where you got the number of promotions as 43....

60 active uk based promoters listed on boxrec with 2 more (myself included) who boxrec havent stated a location for yet

damianhucker1 wrote:Not sure where you got the number of promotions as 43....

60 active uk based promoters listed on boxrec with 2 more (myself included) who boxrec havent stated a location for yet

43 is the number of BBBoC promoters currently licensed.
Boxrec may have some promoters still listed who are not currently licensed and will also have some none BBBoC promoters who I have not accounted for due to the way that they are viewed by the majority of the boxing community.

leejonesjnr wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:Not sure where you got the number of promotions as 43....

60 active uk based promoters listed on boxrec with 2 more (myself included) who boxrec havent stated a location for yet

43 is the number of BBBoC promoters currently licensed.
Boxrec may have some promoters still listed who are not currently licensed and will also have some none BBBoC promoters who I have not accounted for due to the way that they are viewed by the majority of the boxing community.

You mean the majority of the internet.

Most actual fans couldnt care who is licensing it. they just want to watch pro boxing.

David Haye isnt boxing on a bbbofc license for his comeback... its a combination of GBA sanctioning and MBC boxers on undercard.

damianhucker1 wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:Not sure where you got the number of promotions as 43....

60 active uk based promoters listed on boxrec with 2 more (myself included) who boxrec havent stated a location for yet

43 is the number of BBBoC promoters currently licensed.
Boxrec may have some promoters still listed who are not currently licensed and will also have some none BBBoC promoters who I have not accounted for due to the way that they are viewed by the majority of the boxing community.

You mean the majority of the internet.

Most actual fans couldnt care who is licensing it. they just want to watch pro boxing.

David Haye isnt boxing on a bbbofc license for his comeback... its a combination of GBA sanctioning and MBC boxers on undercard.

There is a thread for this topic, I'm not really interested in polluting another one with the same discussion.

You mentioned it

damianhucker1 wrote:You mentioned it

I responded to your pretence that you didn't know where the figure of 43 promoters came from, that is all.

leejonesjnr wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:You mentioned it

I responded to your pretence that you didn't know where the figure of 43 promoters came from, that is all.

No mate. I genuinely didnt know why you said 43

your always on the defensive whenever i read this forum

damianhucker1 wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:You mentioned it

I responded to your pretence that you didn't know where the figure of 43 promoters came from, that is all.

No mate. I genuinely didnt know why you said 43

your always on the defensive whenever i read this forum

If you say so.
I don't really think there is anything on here that I need to 'defend' but opinions vary.

Lee "stroppy" Jones Jr.