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ikorolev wrote:If he keeps his word and fights GGG, the era will end next spring.

ikorolev wrote:If he keeps his word and fights GGG, the era will end next spring.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Thing about Canelo is he's deceptively strong .

Cotto looked like he was just hitting a wall.

Canelo is a fuucking ox.

Tanzio wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:Thing about Canelo is he's deceptively strong .

Cotto looked like he was just hitting a wall.

Canelo is a fuucking ox.

Oxen general end up slaughtered.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:13

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

I agree, Canelo is an elite fighter, but his image is heavily blown up and his resume is fortified by corrupt De La Hoya.

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:13

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

I agree, Canelo is an elite fighter, but his image is heavily blown up and his resume is fortified by corrupt De La Hoya.

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:28

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

We're they drugs cheats with dodgy commissions and judges in their pockets too?

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:28

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

We're they drugs cheats with dodgy commissions and judges in their pockets too?

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:49

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:28

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

We're they drugs cheats with dodgy commissions and judges in their pockets too?

I don't feel it's a real problem, as I can believe my eyes watching any Canelo fight, which is still enough to understand his greatness.
If he really was that junkie as some picture him, he would've been caught already: do you think he's really on anabolic steroids, or related..?

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:40

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:36 Indeed, it's Canelo-time! :-)

I followed Canelo since his very prime, and I thought he would've become a war-machine (not a very appropriate definition for an athlete, I know...): he definitely lived up to my expectations, and since the Cotto-fight, he's been over the top; the most dominant boxer in the post-Mayweather Jr. era.
If he insists, his legacy will go down very much like the Chavez Sr.'s and J. M. Marquez' ones.

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

doping scandal:
If you are referring to clenbuterol, there are "controversies": as far as I know, clenbuterol is just a dreg found in meat coming from Mexican factory-farming, and wasn't intentional. Canelo has made more than 90 drug-tests throughout his career, and he never resulted positive, other than to that clenbuterol... so, until proven wrong, I wouldn't call it a regular scandal...
If there's more than that, I might not know as I usually just watch boxing footage.

Canelo vs GGG:
The first fight was a very close decision, and might be opinable, if you wanna split hair... No scandal, though: it's no longer amateur-time, Golovkin might have often connected with his jabs, but that didn't put Alvarez in trouble: Canelo is faster and hits harder, Golovkin had less beer in the keg period.
That's how I see it, until proven wrong.
By looking at Golovkin's pizza-face after the second fight, I can't tell how anyone could claim a possible GGG's victory in that fight.
Anyway, I heard presumably-competent people claiming that Hopkins had defeated Calzaghe... or even a certified, referenced, veteran professional, going berserk on Floyd Mayweather Jr. after the Ortiz-fight Floyd had legitimately won... that goes to show you never can tell...
There are still people claiming that the Earth is flat.
People often misjudge, including myself of course, and lotsa times the majority misjudges, like in ol' 1930s Germany...

I don't root for nobody, but Canelo gave me a feeling of control over the sport like only greats have.
The guy has all the makings, and if you wanna see controversies, you'll find them pretty much anywhere.
So, even if you count all the controversies in, Canelo still appears as the most dominant boxer of his era, and I guess history will clear most of them controversies out.

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 12:22

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:40

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 09:45

Canelo dominant??
Canelo vs Lara - very close, could go either way
Canelo vs Cotto - i had Canelo as a clear winner but it was controversial to some
Canelo vs GGG I - officially a draw, in my opinion (and in opinion of most people) Golovkin clearly won
Canelo vs GGG II - close fight, me and most of people thought that GGG won

after Canelo's fight vs Mayweather he's beaten without controversies small and chinny Khan, also chinny Kirkland, overrated Chavez Jr, + Angulo, Liam Smith, Fielding.

Canelo is good and i liked him a lot. but i can't root for him anymore after the terrible scorings on his favour + after a doping scandal.

doping scandal:
If you are referring to clenbuterol, there are "controversies": as far as I know, clenbuterol is just a dreg found in meat coming from Mexican factory-farming, and wasn't intentional. Canelo has made more than 90 drug-tests throughout his career, and he never resulted positive, other than to that clenbuterol... so, until proven wrong, I wouldn't call it a regular scandal...
If there's more than that, I might not know as I usually just watch boxing footage.

Canelo vs GGG:
The first fight was a very close decision, and might be opinable, if you wanna split hair... No scandal, though: it's no longer amateur-time, Golovkin might have often connected with his jabs, but that didn't put Alvarez in trouble: Canelo is faster and hits harder, Golovkin had less beer in the keg period.
That's how I see it, until proven wrong.
By looking at Golovkin's pizza-face after the second fight, I can't tell how anyone could claim a possible GGG's victory in that fight.
Anyway, I heard presumably-competent people claiming that Hopkins had defeated Calzaghe... or even a certified, referenced, veteran professional, going berserk on Floyd Mayweather Jr. after the Ortiz-fight Floyd had legitimately won... that goes to show you never can tell...
There are still people claiming that the Earth is flat.
People often misjudge, including myself of course, and lotsa times the majority misjudges, like in ol' 1930s Germany...

I don't root for nobody, but Canelo gave me a feeling of control over the sport like only greats have.
The guy has all the makings, and if you wanna see controversies, you'll find them pretty much anywhere.
So, even if you count all the controversies in, Canelo still appears as the most dominant boxer of his era, and I guess history will clear most of them controversies out.

You're not normal are you?

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 12:21

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:49

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:28

We're they drugs cheats with dodgy commissions and judges in their pockets too?

I don't feel it's a real problem, as I can believe my eyes watching any Canelo fight, which is still enough to understand his greatness.
If he really was that junkie as some picture him, he would've been caught already: do you think he's really on anabolic steroids, or related..?

1. You don't think taking drugs to enhance your performance and give you the edge over an opponent is important? He's had a lot of close fights/dubious decisions in his favour... GGG twice, Lara, Cotto. Take away that advantage then possibly there's 5 loses straight off the bat

2. Do you not follow boxing closely? He literally had been caught and was suspended from boxing, hence why the GGG 2 fight was delayed. Clenbuterol, not steroids (they have similar effects)

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 13:38

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 12:21

Jacopodb wrote: ↑10 Jan 2019, 11:49

I don't feel it's a real problem, as I can believe my eyes watching any Canelo fight, which is still enough to understand his greatness.
If he really was that junkie as some picture him, he would've been caught already: do you think he's really on anabolic steroids, or related..?

1. You don't think taking drugs to enhance your performance and give you the edge over an opponent is important? He's had a lot of close fights/dubious decisions in his favour... GGG twice, Lara, Cotto. Take away that advantage then possibly there's 5 loses straight off the bat

2. Do you not follow boxing closely? He literally had been caught and was suspended from boxing, hence why the GGG 2 fight was delayed. Clenbuterol, not steroids (they have similar effects)

I mainly focus on fights.
By the way, all clenbuterol and related factory-farming issues, won't give you an ounce of Canelo's skills. If you're an athlete and you wanna dope yourself, you presumably go directly for steroids, not for a substance found, coincidentally, in industrial meat. Has this issue really been cleared?
I'm saying this because I know of a famous soccer player, Del Piero, who took doping because his team-doctors gave it to him period. No roids, no anabolics, no coke... no responsible one calls him a cheater or so.

Now, the fact alone that Canelo has been disqualified for doping, is not enough to prove that he's really responsible for that. I didn't find enough information, so what do I know? Until then, I won't condemn anyone.

We'll clarify all the above-mentioned issues.

Meanwhile...
Being a dominant fighter doesn't mean "making a pizza-face out of every opponent you meet", like Margarito did to Cotto: you need to always wear plaster in your handwraps, if you wanna treat all of your opponents like that; all p4p greats have fought on equal terms with all of their opponents, that's why no genuine all-timer has a 100% KO rate. Valero is sadly, prematurely gone.

Only two categories of boxers get knocked out: journeymen going to slaughter for a payday, and ambitious boxers underestimating their opponents: the rest are just exceptions confirming the rule.
The fact that Canelo hasn't fought only cannon fodder and irresponsible fighters, brings props to Canelo, not criticism.

The fact that decisions were so close, proves again that Canelo fought very much on equal terms, considering the age/experience/weight/technique ratio of his opponents.
Claiming "close decision wins" as evidence to prove that good Canelo wasn't really dominant in his era, is pretty naif.

All the controversies (as far as I know, Canelo never went Margarito-style anyway), only prove that Canelo is human, nothing really grievous.
The guy's most probably on to have a great legacy, despite controversies. :-)