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What a joke, 155 Bro.

155>154, bro.

Not right, either way

I consider GGG the best middleweight in the world.
But boxrec goes by quality of wins.And Canelo's resume trumps GGG's.

after Golovkin fight there will be No. 1 for now there is no No.1

tiny_acres wrote:I consider GGG the best middleweight in the world.
But boxrec goes by quality of wins.And Canelo's resume trumps GGG's.

Bingo!

I have no doubt that if they fight at the full middleweight limit of 160, lil g thrashes him.

It is Gennady's own record biting him in the arse here.

Completely understandable and no way one can fault Boxrec. It's the right call.

Yes, boxrecs ranking system is computerized. Either way it doesn't matter. GGG is the accepted number one, and I hope they can get a fight made sometime next year between the two. Would be a good one!

It's time boxing fans universally declaed catchweight fights as nothing more than exhibition or prizefights.

A middleweight fight is a fight fought at a weight limit of 160, period. Neither Cotto nor Canelo have EVER competed in a middleweight fight.

tiny_acres wrote:I consider GGG the best middleweight in the world.
But boxrec goes by quality of wins.And Canelo's resume trumps GGG's.

Lol,I like to take resume into account but, even if canelos were demonstrably above ggg's, this is one where the eye test has to reign supreme

Ricky_ wrote:It's time boxing fans universally declaed catchweight fights as nothing more than exhibition or prizefights.

A middleweight fight is a fight fought at a weight limit of 160, period. Neither Cotto nor Canelo have EVER competed in a middleweight fight.

No it isn't, it's a fight fought above the weight limit of 154 There isn't an upper weight requirement. As JCS pointed out earlier, over 154 is middleweight.

Following your logic, Hopkins often didn't fight at middleweight, Pacqauio doesn't fight in welterweight fights, Robinson was never the middleweight champion, etc.

If two fighters come in at 171 for a light heavy weight fight because they trained hard and are in good shape, it doesn't suddenly become a super middleweight fight. Well, the same applies if they had a limit of 171 in the contract. It's above the super middle limit, it's a light heavyweight fight.

Ya, can't fault BoxRec since they just go by quality of opposition.

Wlad #1 P4P baby

Oh, and GGG actually doing pretty well at #3

Computerized system can't possibly take into account that Canelo was given gift decisions against Trout and Lara, that the MD loss against Mayweather should have been a wide UD and that yesterday's win should have been a narrow UD or even MD.

ikorolev wrote:Computerized system can't possibly take into account that Canelo was given gift decisions against Trout and Lara, that the MD loss against Mayweather should have been a wide UD and that yesterday's win should have been a narrow UD or even MD.

Good point. Not one of those 4 fights had quality judging. In fact, each fight had at least one ridiculously bad card that in no way reflected what actually happened in the ring.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:It's time boxing fans universally declaed catchweight fights as nothing more than exhibition or prizefights.

A middleweight fight is a fight fought at a weight limit of 160, period. Neither Cotto nor Canelo have EVER competed in a middleweight fight.

No it isn't, it's a fight fought above the weight limit of 154 There isn't an upper weight requirement. As JCS pointed out earlier, over 154 is middleweight.

Following your logic, Hopkins often didn't fight at middleweight, Pacqauio doesn't fight in welterweight fights, Robinson was never the middleweight champion, etc.

If two fighters come in at 171 for a light heavy weight fight because they trained hard and are in good shape, it doesn't suddenly become a super middleweight fight. Well, the same applies if they had a limit of 171 in the contract. It's above the super middle limit, it's a light heavyweight fight.

Hard to believe a boxing fan doesn't understand how weight classes work.

You say middleweight is anything over 154.... wrong. Someone can weigh 140 if they want. There's no requirement to weigh bang on 160 (but thanks for taking a few paragraphs in trying to explain that).

A middleweight bout is a fight with a weight LIMIT of 160lb, ergo, catchweights with limits below 160lb are not middleweight bouts.

Which 160 pounder(s) exactly has Canelo defeated ?

Name a single one.

Ricky_ wrote: Someone can weigh 140 if they want. There's no requirement to weigh bang on 160 (but thanks for taking a few paragraphs in trying to explain that).

A middleweight bout is a fight with a weight LIMIT of 160lb, ergo, catchweights with limits below 160lb are not middleweight bouts.

This what the WBC had to say about this, whatever we think about their legitimacy they were ones whose belt was won.

@WBCBoxing wrote:World Boxing Council ‏@WBCBoxing Nov 17
@Luigui_90 the rule says everything below 160 is middleweight. If you are very picky you can say 154.1 - 160 is middleweight. We approve of

World Boxing Council ‏@WBCBoxing Nov 17
@Luigui_90 *if the fighters agree in 156 but we'd still sanction it if they weighted more because for us it's below 160

ttornado wrote:

Ricky_ wrote: Someone can weigh 140 if they want. There's no requirement to weigh bang on 160 (but thanks for taking a few paragraphs in trying to explain that).

A middleweight bout is a fight with a weight LIMIT of 160lb, ergo, catchweights with limits below 160lb are not middleweight bouts.

This what the WBC had to say about this, whatever we think about their legitimacy they were ones whose belt was won.

@WBCBoxing wrote:World Boxing Council ‏@WBCBoxing Nov 17
@Luigui_90 the rule says everything below 160 is middleweight. If you are very picky you can say 154.1 - 160 is middleweight. We approve of

World Boxing Council ‏@WBCBoxing Nov 17
@Luigui_90 *if the fighters agree in 156 but we'd still sanction it if they weighted more because for us it's below 160

bizarre they said "154.1-160", there's no 'minimum', Cotto weighed in at 153.5.

The way the orgs see catchweights is; 160 is the limit, any contractual agreement for a lower weight is with the fighters. If a fighter misses a catchweight of 155 to weigh 159, they don't care they'll still sanction a mw fight and it's been the 2 camps to sort out whatever contract's they have in place regarding extra-curriculum weight clauses.

It's bullshit though, they know that with the landscape of boxing now the 'draws' in boxing dictate all the terms because that's where the money is, having more Cotto's hold middleweight belts to ransom 3 and 4 pounds below the actual limit is something that's only going to get more common until they put a stop to it.

It's literally been years now since the WBC Middleweight title was fought for at the 160lb limit.

Ricky_ wrote:
bizarre they said "154.1-160", there's no 'minimum', Cotto weighed in at 153.5.

The 154.1-160 isn't a minimum and maximum, but the possible catchweight range!
It's absurd, but the WBC doesn't care as long as they are getting paid.

ttornado wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:
bizarre they said "154.1-160", there's no 'minimum', Cotto weighed in at 153.5.

The 154.1-160 isn't a minimum and maximum, but the possible catchweight range!
It's absurd, but the WBC doesn't care as long as they are getting paid.

indeed, the orgs are nothing but cockroaches. Can you imagine the NBA sanctioning a match where the 2 teams came up with a side-agreement to field less players or something stupid like that. I don't mind catchweights as exhibitions to get some fights made where a bridge exists, but making a mockery out of title belts..... well, i guess they are a mockery anyway i guess so f it.

In my opinion the Canelo-Cotto fight was at Super-welterweight not Middleweight.

Both fighters should be ranked at Super-welterweight.

The fact the WBC middleweight title was on the line does not matter and it is what the fighters weigh.

If this was a standard fight a boxer weighing 153.5 is assigned to the 154 division. A boxer weighing 155 is also assigned to the 154 division. If you take a view that 155 is strictly middleweight you should then apply the rule consistently and then 95% of fighters would immediately change division.

Sometimes you have to be sensible, Canelo was a bona-fide super-welter pre the fight and it was catchweight.

Ratings say Canelo is No1 at Super-welterweight anyway so Boxrec must have changed it.

Lennox wrote:In my opinion the Canelo-Cotto fight was at Super-welterweight not Middleweight.

Both fighters should be ranked at Super-welterweight.

The fact the WBC middleweight title was on the line does not matter and it is what the fighters weigh.

If this was a standard fight a boxer weighing 153.5 is assigned to the 154 division. A boxer weighing 155 is also assigned to the 154 division. If you take a view that 155 is strictly middleweight you should then apply the rule consistently and then 95% of fighters would immediately change division.

Sometimes you have to be sensible, Canelo was a bona-fide super-welter pre the fight and it was catchweight.

Ratings say Canelo is No1 at Super-welterweight anyway so Boxrec must have changed it.

But Canelo has not officially weighed in at Jr Middle in over 2 years.
I consider him a middleweight who just refuses to admit it

Kind of an odd situation with Canelo now being ranked at 160 and Cotto being ranked at 154.

And good god does Golovkin/Canelo have to happen now. Right now. Right fornicating now.

jujigatame wrote:Kind of an odd situation with Canelo now being ranked at 160 and Cotto being ranked at 154.

And good god does Golovkin/Canelo have to happen now. Right now. Right effing now.

I still think it won't happen until the end of 2016 at the earliest.

Canelo is also p4p number 1 which I struggle with ,I don't think I'd have him top ten

tiny_acres wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Kind of an odd situation with Canelo now being ranked at 160 and Cotto being ranked at 154.

And good god does Golovkin/Canelo have to happen now. Right now. Right effing now.

I still think it won't happen until the end of 2016 at the earliest.

You might be right but if so it will be a shame. Golovkin is 33 and would be 34 by the time the fight happens. Canelo is 25. Right now is when they're both closest to their primes.