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fonfara and dawson are better opponents, than any of kovalev's opponents, but yet kovalev beats adonis, cause kovalev beat an 60 year old hopkins

oh well, i guess i have to deal with nonsense respones from people who think wlad is the best boxer in the world

like i said, table tennis is also a great sport

Dawson beat Pascal? Wasn't aware. When was this?

diddy wrote:Dawson beat Pascal? Wasn't aware. When was this?

It's not just the opponents. It's how you look against them. Adonis was looking very very shaky late in that Fonfara fight. Kovalev has done nothing but dismantle everyone. Adonis also lives off literally one punch. The left hook. Kovalev has a varied arsenal and is equally dangerous with both hands.

diddy wrote:

diddy wrote:Dawson beat Pascal? Wasn't aware. When was this?

It's not just the opponents. It's how you look against them. Adonis was looking very very shaky late in that Fonfara fight. Kovalev has done nothing but dismantle everyone. Adonis also lives off literally one punch. The left hook. Kovalev has a varied arsenal and is equally dangerous with both hands.

yeah adonis looked shaky against the 3 best light heavyweight that is fonfara. shame on adonis.

adonis is equal if not better than kovalev.

I think that Kovalev has more variety to his attack, and importantly is more dangerous with his left hand than Adonis is with his right. In my opinion Kovalev also has better combination punching and is more fluid, though Adonis may have slightly faster hands. Adonis may also have more one shot power, but I don't believe that makes much of a difference in comparing them head to head, as I think each of them can easily hurt the other if they land cleanly, and given that neither is particularly good defensively a KO for either fighter wouldn't surprise me.

Resume-wise I think they're comparable, with Kovalev having an edge in quality of opposition over the last year or so. Regarding Fonfara and Dawson, I don't think that the version of Dawson that Stevenson beat--the one that was coming off the Ward battering at 168--is better than anyone Kovalev has defeated, while Fonfara fought very competively with Nathan Cleverly and in my view looked to be roughly on the same level; that's not exactly a big plus for Adonis given that he struggled with Fonfara while Kovalev destroyed Cleverly.

Kovalev doesn't even lose rounds.

Fonfara hurt Adonis numerous times in the 2nd half of that fight, dropping him. Fonfara won rounds in that fight. Hell, Bika won several rounds against Adonis too. Who has won rounds against Kovalev? His fights are never in doubt. None of them. Because he finishes them. Only Hopkins lasted because he was in survival mode for 12 rounds. Once he started to open up against Kovalev he got hurt BADLY in the 12th.

Ask Hopkins who is better. He will tell you. He already has.

Fonfara and Cleverly are very close. As we saw when they fought.

Kovalev annihilated Cleverly inside 3. He beat him up so badly Cleverly flocked to go UP a division to get away from him.

Fonfara went 12 with Adonis, won some rounds, dropped him and closed the fight the fresher of the 2.

I will add that despite me thinking Kovalev is better, I do believe that many people write off Adonis in this fight when they shouldn't.

Chepppaaa wrote:

diddy wrote:

diddy wrote:Dawson beat Pascal? Wasn't aware. When was this?

It's not just the opponents. It's how you look against them. Adonis was looking very very shaky late in that Fonfara fight. Kovalev has done nothing but dismantle everyone. Adonis also lives off literally one punch. The left hook. Kovalev has a varied arsenal and is equally dangerous with both hands.

yeah adonis looked shaky against the 3 best light heavyweight that is fonfara. shame on adonis.

adonis is equal if not better than kovalev.

Kovalev is significantly better than Stevenson and would beat him in a pretty one sided fight.

crusader wrote:I think that Kovalev has more variety to his attack, and importantly is more dangerous with his left hand than Adonis is with his right. In my opinion Kovalev also has better combination punching and is more fluid, though Adonis may have slightly faster hands. Adonis may also have more one shot power, but I don't believe that makes much of a difference in comparing them head to head, as I think each of them can easily hurt the other if they land cleanly, and given that neither is particularly good defensively a KO for either fighter wouldn't surprise me.

Resume-wise I think they're comparable, with Kovalev having an edge in quality of opposition over the last year or so. Regarding Fonfara and Dawson, I don't think that the version of Dawson that Stevenson beat--the one that was coming off the Ward battering at 168--is better than anyone Kovalev has defeated, while Fonfara fought very competively with Nathan Cleverly and in my view looked to be roughly on the same level; that's not exactly a big plus for Adonis given that he struggled with Fonfara while Kovalev destroyed Cleverly.

blake knocked down kovalev

kovalev would lose rounds against fonfara

Chepppaaa wrote:

crusader wrote:I think that Kovalev has more variety to his attack, and importantly is more dangerous with his left hand than Adonis is with his right. In my opinion Kovalev also has better combination punching and is more fluid, though Adonis may have slightly faster hands. Adonis may also have more one shot power, but I don't believe that makes much of a difference in comparing them head to head, as I think each of them can easily hurt the other if they land cleanly, and given that neither is particularly good defensively a KO for either fighter wouldn't surprise me.

Resume-wise I think they're comparable, with Kovalev having an edge in quality of opposition over the last year or so. Regarding Fonfara and Dawson, I don't think that the version of Dawson that Stevenson beat--the one that was coming off the Ward battering at 168--is better than anyone Kovalev has defeated, while Fonfara fought very competively with Nathan Cleverly and in my view looked to be roughly on the same level; that's not exactly a big plus for Adonis given that he struggled with Fonfara while Kovalev destroyed Cleverly.

blake knocked down kovalev

kovalev would lose rounds against fonfara

Blake stepped on his foot, failed to hurt him, and was quickly stopped the next round; I think the KD says anything meaningful about whether Kovalev is better or worse than Stevenson.

Compare Fonfara and Kovalev's performances against Campillo and Cleverly, both of whom gave Fonfara significant problems after Kovalev destroyed them--I think this is reflective of Sergey being a class above and I imagine that he'd handily defeat Fonfara if they squared off.

The OP is why I don't like smileys. It makes an ordinary annoying post even much more annoying. By the way, table tennis/ping pong has been an olympic sport since 1998.

Kovalev is a different league to Stevenson. Kovalev would ko him.

There's a reason Stevenson signed up to Haymon's closed circuit PBC trash.

Kovalev is a very good boxer with all-time-great punching power.

Stevensons an avarage stalky southpaw with poor ring IQ limited stamina and a questionable chin and if the 2 did fight it would be a mismatch.

It won't though. Chicken keep on clucking.

Kovalev is faster, hits harder is more skilled, more coordinated than Stevenson, and his wins over pascal and Hopkins are better than any of Stevnson's wins..

Stevenson has a decent puncher's chance against Kovalev, who is the far more complete boxer.

I don't think the gap between the two is as wide a some try to claim.

And, should they fight, Adonis has more than a puncher's chance.

There is a good possibility his combined athleticism and power might be Kovalev's kryptonite.

Pascal gave Sergei hell in spots and Adonis is a whole other level of that type of fighter.

Folks forget that Adonis is not without his own ability and skill as well.

But, strictly from the eye test (which isn't always accurate) Kovalev is the better fighter.

There is a reason why he is top 10 P4P while Adonis is not thought of quite that way.

koolkc107 wrote:I don't think the gap between the two is as wide a some try to claim.

And, should they fight, Adonis has more than a puncher's chance.

There is a good possibility his combined athleticism and power might be Kovalev's kryptonite.

Pascal gave Sergei hell in spots and Adonis is a whole other level of that type of fighter.

Folks forget that Adonis is not without his own ability and skill as well.

But, strictly from the eye test (which isn't always accurate) Kovalev is the better fighter.

There is a reason why he is top 10 P4P while Adonis is not thought of quite that way.

what the hell is going on, kool, you are making absolutly sense

Chepppaaa wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:I don't think the gap between the two is as wide a some try to claim.

And, should they fight, Adonis has more than a puncher's chance.

There is a good possibility his combined athleticism and power might be Kovalev's kryptonite.

Pascal gave Sergei hell in spots and Adonis is a whole other level of that type of fighter.

Folks forget that Adonis is not without his own ability and skill as well.

But, strictly from the eye test (which isn't always accurate) Kovalev is the better fighter.

There is a reason why he is top 10 P4P while Adonis is not thought of quite that way.

what the hell is going on, kool, you are making absolutly sense

I always make sense dude.

It's just that sometimes folks accept what I say and other times they don't.

boxingfan5101 wrote:To topic creator, disregarding the term better, I will answer your question. Kovalev is recognized as the undisputed light heavyweight champion because Adonis Stevenson has refused to step in the ring with him for over 12 years now. Bernard Hopkins is a legend and amazing for withstanding 12 rounds against the even tempered Kovalev. Slightly off tangent yet I am perpelled (from the root word perpetual, as in impetous antonym being perplexed, stems from following in the dark to a flicker of light.) to add Bernard Hopkins had 20 world title defenses at middleweight and unified the titles as well as went up in weight to win another title.

The bolded above is simply not true.

I find it amazing how many folks still think Adonis avoided Kovalev when right now the reverse is true.

Duva and Kovalev pulled out of a purse bid they themselves forced to happen earlier this year.

Had they not, we'd have seen the Stevenson-Kovalev fight by now.

Adonis has every right to think Kovalev is avoiding him because that is exactly what has happened.

This is not saying Sergei is afraid or doesn't eventually want the fight...but facts are facts.

boxingfan5101 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

boxingfan5101 wrote:To topic creator, disregarding the term better, I will answer your question. Kovalev is recognized as the undisputed light heavyweight champion because Adonis Stevenson has refused to step in the ring with him for over 12 years now. Bernard Hopkins is a legend and amazing for withstanding 12 rounds against the even tempered Kovalev. Slightly off tangent yet I am perpelled (from the root word perpetual, as in impetous antonym being perplexed, stems from following in the dark to a flicker of light.) to add Bernard Hopkins had 20 world title defenses at middleweight and unified the titles as well as went up in weight to win another title.

The bolded above is simply not true.

I find it amazing how many folks still think Adonis avoided Kovalev when right now the reverse is true.

Duva and Kovalev pulled out of a purse bid they themselves forced to happen earlier this year.

Had they not, we'd have seen the Stevenson-Kovalev fight by now.

Adonis has every right to think Kovalev is avoiding him because that is exactly what has happened.

This is not saying Sergei is afraid or doesn't eventually want the fight...but facts are facts.

In terms of semantics you may be correct, they have sparred. I believe Adonis Stevenson suffered a torn rotator cuff. Several times on the Home Box Office channel Kovalev announced he wanted Adonis Stevenson after a victory. Stevenson mentioned Floyd Mayweather Jr. or something like that. Besides that Kovalev would not make as much income in stopping Adonis as he would stepping in the ring with Andre Ward everyone at light heavyweight as well as newfound fans want to see him step in the ring with Tyson Fury at heavyweight in part due to Wilder's reluctance to speak on twitter about a match up with Tyson Fury right now, and I don't even read twitter feeds, I do hear the occasional bird chirp.

I am not talking about sparring.

I am talking about this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/se ... RzZWMDc3I-

Kovalev and Duva are the reason why we haven't seen the fight.

Adonis also jumped networks when they were both with HBO and being steered towards each other.

I think both fighters, or at least their teams, have made decisions that prevented the fight from happening at the time.

Adonis who defeated Dawson would be competitive with Kovalev. The current version has a 15-20% puncher's chance.

ikorolev wrote:Adonis who defeated Dawson would be competitive with Kovalev. The current version has a 15-20% puncher's chance.

yeah

i hope adonis gets in shape and trains like he is supposed to train for this fight

Because Superman and his team seem interested in any thing but a fight with Kovalev......that'll do it who is he fighting a Columbian