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Against last night's Wlad?

I was in the majority last night in thinking we'd see Fury on his back before the final bell.

Now, I won't claim to have seen all of Wlad's fights, but I've seen enough of them to know that it was a poor showing. Watching Wlad be so ineffective, I would be surprised if Wilder wasn't sat thinking that could have been him winning last night and not Fury.

So, what do we think would have happened if Wilder would have fought instead of Fury? Would Wilder have given Wlad the same difficulties and have won? Or would a diminished Wlad still have been enough to unify?

You take Wilder's power away he wouldn't be ranked in the top 20... and that is saying alot in this era.

Wilder has a legit shot of knocking out any fighter, Wlad, Fury, Poverkin.... but if he didn't get it done early he'd get stopped himself.

Wilder would've come out much more cautious, and his defense is worse than Fury's, which is saying a lot.

Wilder would've tried to do to Klitschko what he did to Stiverne, but Wlad would've been good enough to hurt Wilder. Probably go 12 boring rounds with Klitschko winning.

same thing fury did, stick and move.
i didn't see it as a competitive fight and think wilder is a little
faster but doesn't have the same physical tools fury does, so
maybe k might have chased a bit more but same result

Wilder isn't Fury. He's never shown a real willingness to stink out a fight by moving around and jabbing. His defense is deplorable. However, that being said, he's still 6'7'' and he still hits unbelievably hard. He also isn't totally incapable of getting on his bike and I have no doubt it would be part of the game plan his team develops. I think that fight would deserve Klitschko to be favored, but not heavily. Now? I think Wilder has to be considered at least 50/50 due to Wlad's performance and the blueprint that's shown.

I think if Wilder is throwing some of those shots Fury hit Wlad with, especially the clean stuff Tyson
started landing in the middle rounds, Wlad goes to sleep.

Wilder is very much capable of doing the same things we just saw Fury do...hell, he moves better than Tyson.

And hits much, much harder.

Wilder, and his 'power' are still being hugely overestimated. He has no defence, little technique and his KO power drops off dramatically when confronted by anything other than a tomato can. His sub Chris Arreola level performance against Molina remains definitive. IF Wilder was capable of beating Wlad he wouldn't be fighting the likes of the aforementioned Molina.

Taki... wrote:Wilder, and his 'power' are still being hugely overestimated. He has no defence, little technique and his KO power drops off dramatically when confronted by anything other than a tomato can. His sub Chris Arreola level performance against Molina remains definitive. IF Wilder was capable of beating Wlad he wouldn't be fighting the likes of the aforementioned Molina.

I disagree.

Molina may not be elite, but he is serviceable and definitely NOT a can.

And how many of us were giving Fury a chance before yesterday's clinic?

Probably about the same as the amount of folks who predicted Wilder dominating Stiverne.

That is the level of competition you should cite when discussing Wilder.

Deontay Wilder is the one guy out there that Fury will not have a big size advantage against.

And he has plenty enough power to put Tyson to sleep.

Deontay will not have to worry about risking getting hit; he is quicker afoot and has more hand speed than Fury.

He will be able to stay outside and counter, something Wlad couldn't or wouldn't do.

I think disciplined Wilder would beat this version of Wlad

koolkc107 wrote:

Taki... wrote:Wilder, and his 'power' are still being hugely overestimated. He has no defence, little technique and his KO power drops off dramatically when confronted by anything other than a tomato can. His sub Chris Arreola level performance against Molina remains definitive. IF Wilder was capable of beating Wlad he wouldn't be fighting the likes of the aforementioned Molina.

I disagree.

Molina may not be elite, but he is serviceable and definitely NOT a can.

And how many of us were giving Fury a chance before yesterday's clinic?

Probably about the same as the amount of folks who predicted Wilder dominating Stiverne.

That is the level of competition you should cite when discussing Wilder.

Deontay Wilder is the one guy out there that Fury will not have a big size advantage against.

And he has plenty enough power to put Tyson to sleep.

Deontay will not have to worry about risking getting hit; he is quicker afoot and has more hand speed than Fury.

He will be able to stay outside and counter, something Wlad couldn't or wouldn't do.

I didn't suggest Molina was a tomato can. It took Wilder and his over hyped 'power' 9 rounds to get rid of him though.
Wilder used the only genuine weapon in his armoury to beat Stiverne -- conditioning. Jab, don't trade, don't gas.
Have you seen a Wilder fight? He gets tagged very easily. Being quick is always an asset, but his movement and technique are dire. Do you think Molina hits harder than Fury? Do you think Molina has a better chin than Fury? Do you think Molina is a better boxer than Fury? It's crazy the props Wilder gets for one, count them, one decent win in 35 contests.
Ask yourself why Wilder is being matched with sub standard opposition? Do you think his next defence will be against a bona fide top 10 contender? Do you genuinely believe he'll beat Povetkin and get a shot at Fury/Wlad? Stop the nut hugging and rejoin reality. DD

Ricky_ wrote:You take Wilder's power away he wouldn't be ranked in the top 20... and that is saying alot in this era.

Wilder has a legit shot of knocking out any fighter, Wlad, Fury, Poverkin.... but if he didn't get it done early he'd get stopped himself.

Really? Wilder is certainly an imperfect fighter, but he has proven he has stamina, can move around a ring, and can box a little. Wilder beating a Povetkin or Pulev by decision doesn't seem far fetched to me at all.

Wilder vs. Wlad or Fury would be very hard to predict, and I wouldn't predict Wilder would win, but I didn't predict a Fury decision last night either.

The better question is how Wilder will face against Fury. It will be a fascinating fight. Hopefully. Even if Fury insists on making it otherwise.

Wilder and several other heavies would have beat that version of Wlad. Wilder beats Fury easier than Wlad imo. Even a dog tired unmotivated Wlad had Fury shook up towards the end.

As far as the Molina stoppage, it should have been stopped in the 5th when Molina quit and turned his back to Wilder.

koolkc107 wrote:

Taki... wrote:Wilder, and his 'power' are still being hugely overestimated. He has no defence, little technique and his KO power drops off dramatically when confronted by anything other than a tomato can. His sub Chris Arreola level performance against Molina remains definitive. IF Wilder was capable of beating Wlad he wouldn't be fighting the likes of the aforementioned Molina.

I disagree.

Molina may not be elite, but he is serviceable and definitely NOT a can.

And how many of us were giving Fury a chance before yesterday's clinic?

Probably about the same as the amount of folks who predicted Wilder dominating Stiverne.

That is the level of competition you should cite when discussing Wilder.

Deontay Wilder is the one guy out there that Fury will not have a big size advantage against.

And he has plenty enough power to put Tyson to sleep.

Deontay will not have to worry about risking getting hit; he is quicker afoot and has more hand speed than Fury.

He will be able to stay outside and counter, something Wlad couldn't or wouldn't do.

I stopped reading once you started to compare Molina with Wlad..

Errr, you read more into it than is there.

No one compared Molina to Wlad.

I just said Molina wasn't a can.

In this thread: if you beat an opponent who isn't an actual can of tomatoes, then you will also beat the champion of your division. Like, if you beat Mike Alvarado, then you will also probably beat Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Chris Arreola KO'd Eric Molina in 1 round. Dereck Chisora KO'd Malik Scott. Wilder's best opponent thus far has been Bermane Stiverne, and he is pretty much the same caliber as Chisora or Cunningham. A year ago, a poll showed that over half of boxing fans consider Wlad to be a top 10 heavyweight of all-time, and that is the guy that Fury just widely defeated. Wilder doesn't deserve to be assumed better than Fury or Wlad until he actually does something. Wilder looks like he's good, but his resume isn't any better than Shannon Briggs, Sultan Ibragimov, or Sergei Lyakhovich. Even Chagaev and Brewster have better resumes than Wilder.

It was a truly odd performance by Wlad yesterday. He landed when he threw a bit late but just wasnt willing to risk it all. Wilder hasn't fought anyone but Stiverne in my book. He looks absolutely beatable by anyone in the top ten. I think Wlad knocks him out early. He doesn't have Fury's boxing skills and head movement.

koolkc107 wrote:Errr, you read more into it than is there.

No one compared Molina to Wlad.

I just said Molina wasn't a can.

But he is a can..

Wilders is at his best when teeing of at max range. I'm not sure if he could do that against Wlad nor could he counter like Fury did..

Wilder is a coward who has no faith in his own ability and as soon as he takes on a European champion or top contender he will lose. He is dodging all the top guys which is what most Americans do these days across all weight divisions.

2 things you need to beat Wlad judging from saturday,height and mobility,Wilder seems to have both also the Stiverne fight showed he can stay switched on for 12 rounds

Id give Wilder a good chance of beating the Klitschko that Fury beat,Tyson dominated him without landing too much so with Deontay's strengths it isnt the mammoth task it seemed before saturday

Wilder would of still been KO'd by Wlad. The man has no chin and is highly over rated. As soon as he faces anyone of note he gets put to sleep.

Fury was lucky to be in the ring at the moment in time when Old-Man Syndrome finally hit Wlad. Also good that his duck and slip style of evasive maneuver proved to be just the thing to confuse the suddenly old Klitschko. The former champion could see openings but couldn't make his body move in time to take advantage. It's possible that a cautious Wilder, like the one who out-boxed Stiverne, could evade punches and out-wrassle Klitschko in an equally boring effort. Guess now we'll never know, unless Fury emulates the late Jack Doyle and lets all the new found attention go to his head.

Wlad K would KO Wilder. He was the same as ever Saturday night, tentative, risk averse, one dimensional. He struggled because Fury, as uncoordinated as he is, is a live body, fearless, and had come to play. Wlad has never coped well with such men.

Wlad would KO Wilder.