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Just how big an upset was it last night? I'm thinking it wasn't like Douglas vs Tyson but certainly on a scale of Rahman vs Lewis?

ade the grenade wrote:Just how big an upset was it last night? I'm thinking it wasn't like Douglas vs Tyson but certainly on a scale of Rahman vs Lewis?

I'd say less so, as I (and a few others) thought Fury was underrated and a very live underdog against an aging Wlad.

McCall v Lewis

What fight? I saw two guys dance and grab all night. Neither one can fight a lick inside, especially Klitchko. Bring on Wilder or Joshua. I feel sorry for all the fans that paid money to see that.

Wlad was only about a -450 favorite. It was an upset due to his longevity as champ and him being a favorite, but I don't think it was a colossal upset like Douglas/Tyson.

Bigger upset than McCall-Lewis. McCall was always dangerous in that one.

Nowhere near as big an upset as Lewis-Rahman and nothing remotely like Douglas-Tyson

Wladimir has always been one-dimensional, and with an unreliable chin and stamina. It can't truly be considered a monumental upset.

Odds wise not a huge upset at all. 3.5-1 is not massive odds. Hell he wasn't even the biggest upset of the day in boxing. Imam was. -1300 against Granados.

I always judge upsets by betting odds. Not casual observer opinion.

Fury was 3.5-1 to beat Wlad
Hopkins was 4-1 to beat Tito

If Wlad was 33 then yes a big upset but 39 no it would have happened eventually..

Come on. Let's not get crazy here. You can't compare this with a knockout upset in a landmark bout in the division. It was an old dude that can't fight anymore letting some freakishly large and lanky guy jab him occasionally for rounds in between clinches. There wasn't a significant punch landed in the fight. Not one.

caldo2025 wrote:Come on. Let's not get crazy here. You can't compare this with a knockout upset in a landmark bout in the division. It was an old dude that can't fight anymore letting some freakishly large and lanky guy jab him occasionally for rounds in between clinches. There wasn't a significant punch landed in the fight. Not one.

I agree with you it was a low contact , kinda of boring fight, but Wlads face did have a bunch of stitches in it at the end and was buckled twice going down the last 3 rounds.
I always gave Fury more credit than I often have seen although I did think Wlad would win this fight. Wlad just got old a split second slower with Fury just the right amount of height and movement.
I do think the fight was big in that it indicates the probable near end of Wlad's career although he may get a couple more wins here Wlad either makes some type of stylistic adjustment that I can't think of right now or his days as the dominant heavyweight are coming to an end. So the fight was hugely significant in showing the dominant force of 9 years reign ending.

victor-romeo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Come on. Let's not get crazy here. You can't compare this with a knockout upset in a landmark bout in the division. It was an old dude that can't fight anymore letting some freakishly large and lanky guy jab him occasionally for rounds in between clinches. There wasn't a significant punch landed in the fight. Not one.

I agree with you it was a low contact , kinda of boring fight, but Wlads face did have a bunch of stitches in it at the end and was buckled twice going down the last 3 rounds.
I always gave Fury more credit than I often have seen although I did think Wlad would win this fight. Wlad just got old a split second slower with Fury just the right amount of height and movement.
I do think the fight was big in that it indicates the probable near end of Wlad's career although he may get a couple more wins here Wlad either makes some type of stylistic adjustment that I can't think of right now or his days as the dominant heavyweight are coming to an end. So the fight was hugely significant in showing the dominant force of 9 years reign ending.

I agree that the win was significant as it does end an era but let's remember the era just happened to be the worst in heavyweight history. It's been just awful and extremely horrible for the sport. Those who choose not to blame Wlad for it and say it's just because it happened in a down time for heavyweight talent is mistaken in my opinion. Wlad's bland boringness is more to blame for the lack of excitement than anything else. The guy has a personality of a stove and I honestly didn't care who it was that beat him as long as it was finally done.

The worst part is that i think Wlad kills Fury in a rematch. I don't know what he was going through going into the fight but his head was not in this fight and couldn't get off. Never took a chance to get off until the last round which was BY FAR his best. I just think that we need a new champion and some new blood to make story lines besides the Klitschko Stoves. They bore me and good for them and their historic careers but good riddance.

It was Upset of the Year

caldo2025 wrote:

victor-romeo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Come on. Let's not get crazy here. You can't compare this with a knockout upset in a landmark bout in the division. It was an old dude that can't fight anymore letting some freakishly large and lanky guy jab him occasionally for rounds in between clinches. There wasn't a significant punch landed in the fight. Not one.

I agree with you it was a low contact , kinda of boring fight, but Wlads face did have a bunch of stitches in it at the end and was buckled twice going down the last 3 rounds.
I always gave Fury more credit than I often have seen although I did think Wlad would win this fight. Wlad just got old a split second slower with Fury just the right amount of height and movement.
I do think the fight was big in that it indicates the probable near end of Wlad's career although he may get a couple more wins here Wlad either makes some type of stylistic adjustment that I can't think of right now or his days as the dominant heavyweight are coming to an end. So the fight was hugely significant in showing the dominant force of 9 years reign ending.

I agree that the win was significant as it does end an era but let's remember the era just happened to be the worst in heavyweight history. It's been just awful and extremely horrible for the sport. Those who choose not to blame Wlad for it and say it's just because it happened in a down time for heavyweight talent is mistaken in my opinion. Wlad's bland boringness is more to blame for the lack of excitement than anything else. The guy has a personality of a stove and I honestly didn't care who it was that beat him as long as it was finally done.

The worst part is that i think Wlad kills Fury in a rematch. I don't know what he was going through going into the fight but his head was not in this fight and couldn't get off. Never took a chance to get off until the last round which was BY FAR his best. I just think that we need a new champion and some new blood to make story lines besides the Klitschko Stoves. They bore me and good for them and their historic careers but good riddance.

To win the rematch Wlad will have to take more risks to get past the distance that Fury's height and long arms , and mobility create, Wlad will have to be able to take more punishment more risks to unload on Fury with out falling into a clinch.

It was an upset but not monumental.
I mean it was a 39 year old champion who had just had a bad performance against Jennings in his previous fight.It should of been a sign there.
Fury fought a perfect strategy but it was against an old champ

The Revival wrote:It was Upset of the Year

Wasnt even remotely close to that.

diddy wrote:

The Revival wrote:It was Upset of the Year

Wasnt even remotely close to that.

It was more than remotely close. Try to have some semblance of objectivity on the subject.

Maybe there were plenty of upsets with longer odds but that doesn't make them bigger. This was a very large assed upset. It was probably the upset that the entire planet took the most notice of.

Yes to casual eyes. To people that follow all the fights and not just the big names - no.

How can someone who follows this sport weekly think a -400 losing is some massive upset? Like it not the odds are how these things should be measured.

I picked Fury to win on points so it wasn't a surprise at all for me.

victor-romeo wrote: To win the rematch Wlad will have to take more risks to get past the distance that Fury's height and long arms , and mobility create, Wlad will have to be able to take more punishment more risks to unload on Fury with out falling into a clinch.

I don't know what Wlad worked on in the gym but to me, it seemed like he winged this one and was surprised that he wasn't able to walk right through Fury. He just looked so lost in the ring to me. Even to the way he was clinching in the fight. He was so used to being the taller guy and getting his opponent locked up by front headlock but he couldn't do that easily with Fury and i think he wasted a lot of energy doing that instead of locking him up under the armpit which would have saved him a lot of his wind. His ineffective clinching which he usually uses as a tool was the difference. You didn't see any of his quick 1-2 clinch move coming in. It was just ill timed from the start and everything looked awkward. I really do think that this fight was lost in the gym and they didn't prepare Wlad for a fight with a bigger man with movement. Pretty sad but it's the truth IMO. Unprepared and that's why he lost.

diddy wrote:Yes to casual eyes. To people that follow all the fights and not just the big names - no.

How can someone who follows this sport weekly think a -400 losing is some massive upset? Like it not the odds are how these things should be measured.

Keep your head snugly tucked up your addicted gambler's ass, with that smug view of your opinions on boxing, but there are other parameters to take into consideration when it comes to determining the size of an upset besides the odds determined by those more than happy to continue taking your money.

The vast majority of the world considers this a very big upset. Before Saturday they had little to no idea who Fury is. It was a huge and important upset for the sport of boxing by that measure alone.

How many people lost their money on this particular fight is much less important to the sport than the perspective of the masses.

Tanzio wrote:

diddy wrote:Yes to casual eyes. To people that follow all the fights and not just the big names - no.

How can someone who follows this sport weekly think a -400 losing is some massive upset? Like it not the odds are how these things should be measured.

Keep your head snugly tucked up your addicted gambler's ass, with that smug view of your opinions on boxing, but there are other parameters to take into consideration when it comes to determining the size of an upset besides the odds determined by those more than happy to continue taking your money.

The vast majority of the world considers this a very big upset. Before Saturday they had little to no idea who Fury is. It was a huge and important upset for the sport of boxing by that measure alone.

How many people lost their money on this particular fight is much less important to the sport than the perspective of the masses.

I agree, Tanzio.

diddy wrote:

The Revival wrote:It was Upset of the Year

Wasnt even remotely close to that.

The people have spoken and they say otherwise.

The last Bradley Saunders bout was upset of the year, 50 to 1 against he was.