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No one seems to be talking about this fight much but it has the potential to be very exciting.

Martz sees himself as a brawler and although his record isn't amazing (that KO loss to 11-15 Grover Young looks pretty bad although Young is better than his record suggests), Martz is still a great big lump and has apparently finished a month (!) in a training campin Russia with Alexander Povetkin, sparring more than forty rounds with Sascha.

Any thoughts regarding this fight? Will Parker have it tough, or will it be another quick KO win for the up-and-comer from NZ?

Should be a good quick knock out win for Parker

It will be a pretty early KO win for Parker. The value of this match-up in a vacuum is minimal. What's good about it is the fact that Parker has fought in March, June, August, October, December, and this January. He is remaining active as hell while fighting marginally decent, sometimes good opponents.

Parker has allready been discovered by most, somehow Izuagbe Ugonoh, who seems to be friends with Parker is quite a prospect too isn't he?

I was looking at Parkers previous opponents to see
what they have done since Parker beat them... almost
all of them have been knocked out again by other opponents.

Ihave to say based on this for Parker to be ranked #9 on boxrec tells me that the HW division lacks quality

Parker needs to fight Wilder and he would get that strap easily.

Parker needs to step up now.
There is no point in continuing to fight tomato cans.
Maybe he needs to move to Europe or the US for his next few fights?

kaiserbill wrote:Parker needs to step up now.
There is no point in continuing to fight tomato cans.
Maybe he needs to move to Europe or the US for his next few fights?

His management have attempted to attract world-rated opponents to travel to New Zealand but they all turned the offers down.

"Shannon Briggs rejected a substantial offer to fight Joseph Parker," Stu Duncan said.

"We also made a good offer to current IBF #1 Vyacheslav Glazkov for a bout with Parker, before he was the IBF mandatory, that was rejected.

"We have made substantial offers to the management of Chris Arreola, Mariusz Wach, Erkan Teper, Mark de Mori and Solomon Haumono. All offers were rejected.

"There was a four-fight million-dollar offer made to the management of Lucas Browne that included a bout with Parker that was rejected. Edmond Gerber was given a very good offer that was rejected. Arnold Gjerjaj who is 29-0 and European champion – rejected a very good offer to fight Parker."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... r-division?

Redback Rasta wrote:

kaiserbill wrote:Parker needs to step up now.
There is no point in continuing to fight tomato cans.
Maybe he needs to move to Europe or the US for his next few fights?

His management have attempted to attract world-rated opponents to travel to New Zealand but they all turned the offers down.

"Shannon Briggs rejected a substantial offer to fight Joseph Parker," Stu Duncan said.

"We also made a good offer to current IBF #1 Vyacheslav Glazkov for a bout with Parker, before he was the IBF mandatory, that was rejected.

"We have made substantial offers to the management of Chris Arreola, Mariusz Wach, Erkan Teper, Mark de Mori and Solomon Haumono. All offers were rejected.

"There was a four-fight million-dollar offer made to the management of Lucas Browne that included a bout with Parker that was rejected. Edmond Gerber was given a very good offer that was rejected. Arnold Gjerjaj who is 29-0 and European champion – rejected a very good offer to fight Parker."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... r-division?

Interesting stuff. Glazkov, Browne, and maybe Wach seem too advanced for Parker, at this stage, IMO. But the rest, Joe is good enough to handle now.

Tony1244 wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:

kaiserbill wrote:Parker needs to step up now.
There is no point in continuing to fight tomato cans.
Maybe he needs to move to Europe or the US for his next few fights?

His management have attempted to attract world-rated opponents to travel to New Zealand but they all turned the offers down.

"Shannon Briggs rejected a substantial offer to fight Joseph Parker," Stu Duncan said.

"We also made a good offer to current IBF #1 Vyacheslav Glazkov for a bout with Parker, before he was the IBF mandatory, that was rejected.

"We have made substantial offers to the management of Chris Arreola, Mariusz Wach, Erkan Teper, Mark de Mori and Solomon Haumono. All offers were rejected.

"There was a four-fight million-dollar offer made to the management of Lucas Browne that included a bout with Parker that was rejected. Edmond Gerber was given a very good offer that was rejected. Arnold Gjerjaj who is 29-0 and European champion – rejected a very good offer to fight Parker."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... r-division?

Interesting stuff. Glazkov, Browne, and maybe Wach seem too advanced for Parker, at this stage, IMO. But the rest, Joe is good enough to handle now.

His management are clearly trying to get him better opponents. But Parker is becoming a bigger 'risk' fight as he improves.

Grailer wrote:I was looking at Parkers previous opponents to see
what they have done since Parker beat them... almost
all of them have been knocked out again by other opponents.

Ihave to say based on this for Parker to be ranked #9 on boxrec tells me that the HW division lacks quality

This is a good criteria with which to judge a division. For example, all of Muhammad Ali's victims went undefeated for the remainder of their careers after they lost to Ali, which proves that his division was great. But of course, Muhammad Ali was / is just a young 23-year-old prospect whose best years and best opponents are still ahead of him. Joseph Parker has boxed a full career and has long held the #1 rank in his division, and his skills and level of opposition have already peaked.

Also, only 10 out of Parker's 17 opponents have been knocked out since fighting Parker, who is 17 (15)-0. But take someone like the extremely hyped Keith Thurman who fights in one of the hottest divisions right now. In Thurman's first 17 fights, he was 16 (15)-0-0-1, and out of his first 17 opponents, 10 of them have been knocked out since fighting Thurman. Those numbers are practically identical. This revolutionary evaluation criteria that you think you've stumbled upon is pretty flawed and beyond salvaging.

Lackeos wrote:

Grailer wrote:I was looking at Parkers previous opponents to see
what they have done since Parker beat them... almost
all of them have been knocked out again by other opponents.

Ihave to say based on this for Parker to be ranked #9 on boxrec tells me that the HW division lacks quality

This is a good criteria with which to judge a division. For example, all of Muhammad Ali's victims went undefeated for the remainder of their careers after they lost to Ali, which proves that his division was great....

Interesting comment. Care to expand on it for someone not following what you are getting at there?

(I'm guessing your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek)

Redback Rasta wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

Grailer wrote:I was looking at Parkers previous opponents to see
what they have done since Parker beat them... almost
all of them have been knocked out again by other opponents.

Ihave to say based on this for Parker to be ranked #9 on boxrec tells me that the HW division lacks quality

This is a good criteria with which to judge a division. For example, all of Muhammad Ali's victims went undefeated for the remainder of their careers after they lost to Ali, which proves that his division was great....

Interesting comment. Care to expand on it for someone not following what you are getting at there?

(I'm guessing your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek)

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It's ridiculous to suggest that you can gauge the quality of a division by whether or not a 23-year-old prospect's opponents have been knocked out in later bouts. There's basically 0 correlation between the two things at all.

Lackeos wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:

Lackeos wrote:
This is a good criteria with which to judge a division. For example, all of Muhammad Ali's victims went undefeated for the remainder of their careers after they lost to Ali, which proves that his division was great....

Interesting comment. Care to expand on it for someone not following what you are getting at there?

(I'm guessing your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek)

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It's ridiculous to suggest that you can gauge the quality of a division by whether or not a 23-year-old prospect's opponents have been knocked out in later bouts. There's basically 0 correlation between the two things at all.

Think it is more impressive that a 23 yo is knocking out so many..