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Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 04 Dec 2015, 22:23
by Chepppaaa
what are the new stars in boxing, who will surely be produced in the rio 2016 olympic games in august.
any quality names?
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 04 Dec 2015, 23:03
by Wales
I'll throw 3 in as potential post Rio prospects
Ivan Dychko - super heavyweight (lost by point or two to joshua in 2012)
Michael Conlon - Irish Bantamweight superstar
Bektemar Melikuzniev - 19 year old Middleweight, Rio could be ideal time for him to peak / shine
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 05 Dec 2015, 00:56
by Sids
Jai Opetaia is easily worth a mention.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 05 Dec 2015, 06:01
by Chepppaaa
Wales wrote:I'll throw 3 in as potential post Rio prospects
Ivan Dychko - super heavyweight (lost by point or two to joshua in 2012)
Michael Conlon - Irish Bantamweight superstar
Bektemar Melikuzniev - 19 year old Middleweight, Rio could be ideal time for him to peak / shine
do you think he will turn as a middleweight or super middleweight in the pros, sounds like a great opponent for GGG in 2-3 years.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 05 Dec 2015, 06:07
by asdfjkl
Roberto Cammarelle perhaps, if he isn't going downhill
This was a tournament in 2007:
Defeated Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria) PTS (12-5)
Defeated David Price (Great Britain) walk-over
Defeated Islam Timurziev (Russia) walk-over
Defeated Vyacheslav Glazkov (Ukraine) PTS (24-14)
I recognise quite some of those names.
He lost to Povetkin all 3 times they fought though.
Magomedrasul Majidov and Joseph Joyce are also quite some names
Tony Yoka won against Parker
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 05 Dec 2015, 06:28
by Chepppaaa
asdfjkl wrote:Roberto Cammarelle perhaps, if he isn't going downhill
This was a tournament in 2007:
Defeated Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria) PTS (12-5)
Defeated David Price (Great Britain) walk-over
Defeated Islam Timurziev (Russia) walk-over
Defeated Vyacheslav Glazkov (Ukraine) PTS (24-14)
I recognise quite some of those names.
He lost to Povetkin all 3 times they fought though.
Magomedrasul Majidov and Joseph Joyce are also quite some names
Tony Yoka won against Parker
i dont know why, but cammarelle wont turn as a pro.
what is there bad, becoming a multi millionere in turning pro, i dont get it.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 05 Dec 2015, 08:55
by PredatorHayds
I'd love Savon to turn over.
He has the style suited to the pros and hopefully the fact he gets continuous screwed by amateur judges might make him turn.
The lifestyle away from Cuba might affect him. He still hasn't qualified for Rio either.
Long shot he will ever turn but hope he does.
Uzbekistan have a shed load if quality fighters but very rarely turn pro.
Someone mentioned Conlan he's 100% guaranteed to turn after RIO with MGM.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 00:56
by Wales
Chepppaaa wrote:Wales wrote:I'll throw 3 in as potential post Rio prospects
Ivan Dychko - super heavyweight (lost by point or two to joshua in 2012)
Michael Conlon - Irish Bantamweight superstar
Bektemar Melikuzniev - 19 year old Middleweight, Rio could be ideal time for him to peak / shine
do you think he will turn as a middleweight or super middleweight in the pros, sounds like a great opponent for GGG in 2-3 years.
he won youth title at 152lbs in 2014. hard to say, think him and GGG will miss each other, but Bektemar is a huge prospect
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 03:11
by lillywhite14
PredatorHayds wrote:I'd love Savon to turn over.
He has the style suited to the pros and hopefully the fact he gets continuous screwed by amateur judges might make him turn.
The lifestyle away from Cuba might affect him. He still hasn't qualified for Rio either.
Long shot he will ever turn but hope he does.
Uzbekistan have a shed load if quality fighters but very rarely turn pro.
Someone mentioned Conlan he's 100% guaranteed to turn after RIO with MGM.
Savon is somewhat overrated imo. His chin is also a bit of a worry.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 10:07
by JMac
Chepppaaa wrote:asdfjkl wrote:Roberto Cammarelle perhaps, if he isn't going downhill
This was a tournament in 2007:
Defeated Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria) PTS (12-5)
Defeated David Price (Great Britain) walk-over
Defeated Islam Timurziev (Russia) walk-over
Defeated Vyacheslav Glazkov (Ukraine) PTS (24-14)
I recognise quite some of those names.
He lost to Povetkin all 3 times they fought though.
Magomedrasul Majidov and Joseph Joyce are also quite some names
Tony Yoka won against Parker
i dont know why, but cammarelle wont turn as a pro.
what is there bad, becoming a multi millionere in turning pro, i dont get it.
All of the Italian national team are paid good money to be police but I don't think they actually ever put on a uniform. The word is he comes from money, he's in his 30's and is making good money as an amateur who can also fight in the WSB and ABP so why take a chance on his legacy. He is not an exciting amateur and won't ever be a pro world champ. His skills are on the downturn.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 10:20
by tflanagan5
Sids wrote:Jai Opetaia is easily worth a mention.
His already turned pro and hasnt looked amazing so far
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 10:20
by tflanagan5
Cammerelle is retired
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 12:04
by JMac
91+ Fraser Clarke from England is big and has good skills. I'm not sure of his age but I think he is young. Keep an eye out for him. He is in the finals for the Rio test event.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 14:27
by Boxing Prospect
Keisuke Matsumoto-Japanese 16/17 year old who is said to be targeting the 2020 Olympics. His father and trainer is a former world title challenger who has had him in the Ohashi gym with Yaegashi and Naoya Inoue. It's a long shot but...he's already received a decent amount of publicity on Fuji TV via the show Mirai Monsters...
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 20:46
by campfire
Sids wrote:Jai Opetaia is easily worth a mention.
No power no cigar
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 21:19
by tflanagan5
JMac wrote:91+ Fraser Clarke from England is big and has good skills. I'm not sure of his age but I think he is young. Keep an eye out for him. He is in the finals for the Rio test event.
Rio test events don't usually have great quality
Clarke is alright but joe joyce is the British number one so Clarke doesn't have a chance of going to the olympics
As I said the test even isn't of great quality. Ireland 2nd choice fighters won a few gold at the last olympic test event
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 07:42
by danamba7
Team GBs Anthony Fowler looks good if he can keep fit.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 08:00
by cocka09
Michael Conlan - Irish Bantamweight
Commonwealth Games - Gold medallist
European Championships - Gold medallist
World Championships - Gold medallist
Qualified for Rio 2016
Current world Number 1 at 56Kg
Still only 24 years old.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 08:07
by danamba7
cocka09 wrote:Michael Conlan - Irish Bantamweight
Commonwealth Games - Gold medallist
European Championships - Gold medallist
World Championships - Gold medallist
Qualified for Rio 2016
Current world Number 1 at 56Kg
Still only 24 years old.
Seen him for the first time in the European champs. His brother's decent but this lad looks levels above!
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 09:22
by Marlo Stanfield
danamba7 wrote:Team GBs Anthony Fowler looks good if he can keep fit.
overrated - loses often and always complains
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 10:58
by reggaereggae
Ivan Dychko is big and can fight. He mightbe good
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 11:48
by JMac
tflanagan5 wrote:JMac wrote:91+ Fraser Clarke from England is big and has good skills. I'm not sure of his age but I think he is young. Keep an eye out for him. He is in the finals for the Rio test event.
Rio test events don't usually have great quality
Clarke is alright but joe joyce is the British number one so Clarke doesn't have a chance of going to the olympics
As I said the test even isn't of great quality. Ireland 2nd choice fighters won a few gold at the last olympic test event
Many countries send their # 1's but it sounds like Ireland and GB don't. I saw Clarke last year in Finland and worked the corner for USA and he easily beat our #1 guy. I was impressed with Clarke and was told he was young so Joyce will probably turn pro after the Olympics and then Clarke will get his chance for 2020.
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 12:20
by iamasadlittleboy
Ryomei Tanaka did well at the test event event, he's been kicking ass on the Japanese domestic scene and his younger brother is already a world champion
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 21:19
by tflanagan5
JMac wrote:tflanagan5 wrote:JMac wrote:91+ Fraser Clarke from England is big and has good skills. I'm not sure of his age but I think he is young. Keep an eye out for him. He is in the finals for the Rio test event.
Rio test events don't usually have great quality
Clarke is alright but joe joyce is the British number one so Clarke doesn't have a chance of going to the olympics
As I said the test even isn't of great quality. Ireland 2nd choice fighters won a few gold at the last olympic test event
Many countries send their # 1's but it sounds like Ireland and GB don't. I saw Clarke last year in Finland and worked the corner for USA and he easily beat our #1 guy. I was impressed with Clarke and was told he was young so Joyce will probably turn pro after the Olympics and then Clarke will get his chance for 2020.
ya Clarke is a good fighter, unfortunetly he doesn't get the opportunity with Joshua and joyce being ahead of him now and in the past. ya Ireland never really focus on this its a bit low level, Kenny egan won gold at the last one and was our number 2, beat guys who went onto the Olympics. I think this is going to be Irelands strongest Olympic squad ever, we have already qualified 4(should be 5 but was a robbery) and the talent is unreal
49kg - Paddy Barnes (Q)
52kg - Brendan Irvine (a cert to qualify, id say 90% chance he qualifies
56kg - Michael Conlon (Q)
60kg - David Oliver Joyce/Sean McComb (both top class id say a 70-80% chance to qualify)
64kg - Ray moylette/Dean Walsh ( good fighters id say 60% chance to qualify)
69kg - Steven Donnelly (Q)
75kg - Micahel O'Reilly (should have already qualified, class act 100% chance he qualifies)
81kg - Joe Ward (Q)
91kg - Darren O'Neill (great performances against tishchenko and the Ukrainian and a lot of Europeans have already qualified so 60% chance)
91kg+ - Dean Gardiner ( slim chance imo 5-10%)
I think Ireland should be aiming for 7 to qualify at least, 9 would be unbelievable
Re: Who is the biggest amateur talent who could become a superstar pro?
Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 22:13
by JMac
tflanagan5 wrote:
ya Clarke is a good fighter, unfortunetly he doesn't get the opportunity with Joshua and joyce being ahead of him now and in the past. ya Ireland never really focus on this its a bit low level, Kenny egan won gold at the last one and was our number 2, beat guys who went onto the Olympics. I think this is going to be Irelands strongest Olympic squad ever, we have already qualified 4(should be 5 but was a robbery) and the talent is unreal
49kg - Paddy Barnes (Q)
52kg - Brendan Irvine (a cert to qualify, id say 90% chance he qualifies
56kg - Michael Conlon (Q)
60kg - David Oliver Joyce/Sean McComb (both top class id say a 70-80% chance to qualify)
64kg - Ray moylette/Dean Walsh ( good fighters id say 60% chance to qualify)
69kg - Steven Donnelly (Q)
75kg - Micahel O'Reilly (should have already qualified, class act 100% chance he qualifies)
81kg - Joe Ward (Q)
91kg - Darren O'Neill (great performances against tishchenko and the Ukrainian and a lot of Europeans have already qualified so 60% chance)
91kg+ - Dean Gardiner ( slim chance imo 5-10%)
I think Ireland should be aiming for 7 to qualify at least, 9 would be unbelievable
When was Kenny Egan #2? In 2012? Hell he was No 1 for many years including Beijing when he got robbed for the Olympic gold. I know he went through some problems after Beijing. Back in '00 he came to Baltimore to a show I put together that was supposed to be the Holy Family club vs Baltimore except Gerry Storey brought an Irish all star team with only a few of the boxers from Belfast. Egan was a middleweight then. Good dude. I hope things are going better for him now. Both Ireland and team GB have really done a nice job with their national boxing programs. So good the US had to steal one of your coaches Billy Walsh.