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Has anyone ever seen this utterly astounding footage? Roy Jones, back in 2011, ahead of his horrifying KO loss to Denis Lebedev, admitting that he had been suffering from problems with his balance for 5 years - but naturally had unearthed some quack doctor who was taking his money in order to 'alleviate' the effects of punches already taken and offset what sounds like permanent neurological mutilation:

http://beatsboxingmayhem.com/2011/02/23 ... in-damage/

What happened to the man who prior to boxing Gonzalez' head off recalled Gerald McClellan and was adamant he "must retire at 35". If he was experiencing basic motor skill problems that far back there can be little doubt his future will be unpleasant. I'm starting to think his career choices, such as continuing boxing and taking on the likes of Lebedev and Mac, are the result of some underlying mental condition, rather than purely the obvious, basic need for cash. His life choices since then have been basically insane.

Have I been under a rock and you all knew about this story and didn't tell me?

Tuan_Jim wrote:Has anyone ever seen this utterly astounding footage? Roy Jones, back in 2011, ahead of his horrifying KO loss to Denis Lebedev, admitting that he had been suffering from problems with his balance for 5 years - but naturally had unearthed some quack doctor who was taking his money in order to 'alleviate' the effects of punches already taken and offset what sounds like permanent neurological mutilation:

http://beatsboxingmayhem.com/2011/02/23 ... in-damage/

What happened to the man who prior to boxing Gonzalez' head off recalled Gerald McClellan and was adamant he "must retire at 35". If he was experiencing basic motor skill problems that far back there can be little doubt his future will be unpleasant. I'm starting to think his career choices, such as continuing boxing and taking on the likes of Lebedev and Mac, are the result of some underlying mental condition, rather than purely the obvious, basic need for cash. His life choices since then have been basically insane.

Have I been under a rock and you all knew about this story and didn't tell me?

Roy is clearly in Denial, he still believes he can win the cruiserweight title he desires, despite the fact he's achieved more than most fighters could ever dream of.

Clearly if this is true, which i can't see why it wouldn't be, as there's no vested interet for roy to have lied, then it shows just how poor the testing for boxers state of health is before they get licensed.

Tragic.

Roy has to stop now surely, surely even he can see how hopeless it is.

Shame he didn't take more risks when he was in his prime.

Ezzard wrote:Shame he didn't take more risks when he was in his prime.

Bizarre, isn't it.

Fights now like he should have then & fought now then like he should have now.

interesting way of looking at it and sadly accurate. From the very highest highs, to getting knocked unconscious - various times.

Do you think there are any fundamental flaws in his defence because he seems to get sparked whenever he loses? Maybe he was so good at being a cat in the ring, he never really thought about getting hit. It is pointless now. He could cruise through 7 rounds but if it was a ten round fight you'd still probably be looking at a bad KO coming.

Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

Its sad he was one of my favourite boxers in the 90's. I uses to tell the guy on the street about rjj who didnt really watch boxing unless it was bruno lewis or tyson.

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

There's a lot of evidence to suggest that being knocked unconscious has serious after effects, leading to early dementia, memory problems, personality changes, and many other deleterious effects.

Roy seems destined to be a tragedy, because he's been knocked absolutely bandy many times late In his career.

Roy's problem was he relied on his reflexes to get him out of trouble rather than an orthodox defence, when the reflexes went, so did his ability to get out of the way. I suspect also that he never had the best chin, because the minute he became human in terms of reflexes and reactions, he started getting sparked out.

Roy maybe has some mental health issues now as a result of the beatings and concussions he has suffered, either way, he is making some bloody stupid decisions, the Macarranelli fight was only ever going to end one way (I called it, and so did lots of other people on here), with him being smashed unconscious - and what was there to gain from it?

Someone somewhere has to tell Roy it's over and stop this madness. It may already be too late for his neurological status to be normal later in life, but it could get worse, or he could be put into a coma or killed at this rate.

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

I use that line all the time when talking about sport, but no-one ever gets the reference

Boxerbeetle wrote:

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

I use that line all the time when talking about sport, but no-one ever gets the reference

Boxerbeetle wrote:

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

I use that line all the time when talking about sport, but no-one ever gets the reference

I thought I was the only one who noticed that sentence! It was cringe..... And by the commentator's logic; that make Kevin McBride a legend.....Trevor Berbick a legend.... Leon Spinks a legend..... And most importantly Brian Neilsen a legend.

I agree that Roy Jones should no longer be boxing but can't see any evidence of neurological damage. He is still very articulate and a good commentator when I have heard him on US broadcasts. I don't think the one punch KOs cause as much long-term damage as ,having a good chin, and taking a beating over the distance. I may be wrong.

I think there is an element of mental disease ......its called blindus hystericus arsseholux.....and its primary symptom is to invent nonsense about a legend being mentally retarde........jones is still v articulate and sharp on commentary..

His issue is he knows what a once in a lifetime talent god gave him and feels he should use it till he cant anymore, he loves fighting,and the fame ,and can still pick up a $1 million dollar payday for engaging these kinks.

Fighting mac at this stage was granted v v foolish.one of the biggest cruiser punchers of the last 25 years who is still in shape at 35, quick and physically imposing. I could understand taking on lebedev in russia & green in aus but this was foolish matchmaking.....it was always going to end in a appollo creed moment.

Its now clear that the hand speed that he still retained some of ,is as totally shot as the reflexes,legs and footwork.

It was always since going back to 2004, a case of well roy may have lost his speed and reflexes and feet but he still has so much more than most the rest except the very very best......

mugabi wrote:I think there is an element of mental disease ......its called blindus hystericus arsseholux.....and its primary symptom is to invent nonsense about a legend being mentally retarde........jones is still v articulate and sharp on commentary..

I think your problem is illiteracy. If you read the post I state clearly that Roy Jones had been suffering from balance problems for five years. If you watch the video, Roy says himself that he has struggled with his balance. This is a basic motor function. To respond with: 'But he can speak! Therefore he is obviously fine!' shows that you have the judgment and deductive powers of a turkey.

It is such a huge shame to see him now. This is where boxing licenses have to perhaps be a bit more strict.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mugabi wrote:I think there is an element of mental disease ......its called blindus hystericus arsseholux.....and its primary symptom is to invent nonsense about a legend being mentally retarde........jones is still v articulate and sharp on commentary..

I think your problem is illiteracy. If you read the post I state clearly that Roy Jones had been suffering from balance problems for five years. If you watch the video, Roy says himself that he has struggled with his balance. This is a basic motor function. To respond with: 'But he can speak! Therefore he is obviously fine!' shows that you have the judgment and deductive powers of a turkey.

roy wrote:I agree that Roy Jones should no longer be boxing but can't see any evidence of neurological damage. He is still very articulate and a good commentator when I have heard him on US broadcasts. I don't think the one punch KOs cause as much long-term damage as ,having a good chin, and taking a beating over the distance. I may be wrong.

Being able to speak clearly does not mean there's no Neurological damage, if he'd been suffering from balance issues, that could well be evidence of brain trauma, although it could be as a result of middle-ear injury or other factors.

http://sciencenordic.com/head-injury-ca ... al-illness
https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scri ... mentID=952
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/c ... lts-102914
http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/2013112 ... fade-study

Here's just a few links as food for thought, the jury is still out, but there's growing evidence that repeated head trauma, and especially concussion which often accompanies a knockout - but can occur without one, causes a host of long term problems for fighters.

Certainly repeatedly being knocked spark out increases the risks of neurological damage exponentially.

Where's Rhino when you need him?

To understand Roy's motivation, beyond the usual pursuit of financial gain, not to mention adulation, you could do worse than read this very subtle exploration of his character, formative experiences and current outlook.

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jo ... g-goodbye/

To me at least, it served to introduce me to Roy in a way no other article or study ever could.

A long, long read. But very dextrous and delicate in peeling back the layers of his persona.

It explained to me why he still fights.

need to print this out and read it, started reading it the other day, but too annoying on a screen.

DavidPayne wrote:To understand Roy's motivation, beyond the usual pursuit of financial gain, not to mention adulation, you could do worse than read this very subtle exploration of his character, formative experiences and current outlook.

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jo ... g-goodbye/

To me at least, it served to introduce me to Roy in a way no other article or study ever could.

A long, long read. But very dextrous and delicate in peeling back the layers of his persona.

It explained to me why he still fights.

great stuff, thank you

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

Absolutely, I have a bizarre obsession with piss poor Aussie commentating. Kimbo-Tilyard is another masterclass in hyperpolic ineptitude.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mugabi wrote:I think there is an element of mental disease ......its called blindus hystericus arsseholux.....and its primary symptom is to invent nonsense about a legend being mentally retarde........jones is still v articulate and sharp on commentary..

I think your problem is illiteracy. If you read the post I state clearly that Roy Jones had been suffering from balance problems for five years. If you watch the video, Roy says himself that he has struggled with his balance. This is a basic motor function. To respond with: 'But he can speak! Therefore he is obviously fine!' shows that you have the judgment and deductive powers of a turkey.

You"re a primitive ape so dont try to impress me with your powers of deduction.

Oh roys had a balance problem for five years has he cos u tell us he has? Did u see the glen johnson and tarver fights in 2004 where he suddenly had legs of cement and couldn't pivot or move......his balance went 11 years ago shhitburn.you have the judgement and deductive powers of a dogs arssehole!

His balance going is not motor neurone related ......its age and wear and tear related.......if you"d ever have boxed at some level like i did for 15 years and ran daily on concrete you might understand that. The way a person talks and reasons is a primary tester of motor neurone skills not doing a five atep pivot.......hope that was of help doctor ? Er you are a doctor i presume making such medical evaluations without having personally examined roy?

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

Lol noticed when I showed my mate last week. And we think Halling is bad .........

DavidPayne wrote:To understand Roy's motivation, beyond the usual pursuit of financial gain, not to mention adulation, you could do worse than read this very subtle exploration of his character, formative experiences and current outlook.

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/roy-jo ... g-goodbye/

To me at least, it served to introduce me to Roy in a way no other article or study ever could.

A long, long read. But very dextrous and delicate in peeling back the layers of his persona.

It explained to me why he still fights.

thanks for that. Excellent article.

Naandrew wrote:

bigjack wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Danny Green smashed him in a round 6 years ago !!

It's worth having a look at that fight just for the terrible australian commentary ' when you beat a legend,you become a legend' was one of the lines that made me chuckle .But one ko loss leaves some damage i would imagine,so how does several ko's at an advanced age effect someone ?

Lol noticed when I showed my mate last week. And we think Halling is bad .........

Another one worth a look at is Bugner V Bonecrusher Smith,not so much for the poor commentary but for actually believing it was a title fight and Bugner announcing himself as the first Australian world heavyweight champion