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Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 10:50
by Cloutov
http://youtu.be/VbxDbXBNtoY

At 2 minutes look what Lomachenko is doing. Is it consider as a punch 12 to 6 or this strategy is legit. And if it is why we do not see it more often

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 11:15
by davie
Sorry, I be missing something.
What is it he's doing that you think may be questionable?

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 11:25
by Cloutov
I thought it was illegal to throw a punch going from up to down .. Like hammer fist style. Maybe i am wrong . The strategy is awesome though punching the glove down to place your hook..

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 11:39
by Ilya Muromets
I didn't see anything.

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 11:47
by littlepug
haven't watched the clip but know what youre talking about, because he is still making contact with the correct part of the fist its a legal punch, although its a lot harder than it looks to throw a punch from that angle and still generate power which tell you a lot about GGG

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 12:53
by crusader
I'm not sure if I spot what you're referring to Cloutov. I see Loma batting down Russell's hands, but not actually throwing hammer-first like punches, which I assume would be illegal if they don't land with the portion of the glove covering the knuckles.

And watching that clips makes me :lol: at the people who think that Russell would win a rematch because he beat slow and stiff (but hard punching) Jhonny Gonzalez. Gonzo doesn't offer anywhere near the speed, footwork, or general boxing skills of Loma, which are the qualities that enabled him to largely negate Russell's fast hands and consistently be the more effective fighter.

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 22 Dec 2015, 16:51
by Cloutov
Ya Crusader i think it s only perception the way he throw the opposite hand on the defense it s kind of weird but very effective.. And i agree with you Loma is all wrong for Russell

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 00:32
by JMac
In boxing, anything you get away with is legal :bag:

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 14:59
by koolkc107
I saw nothing illegal in the clip

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 15:50
by handsofstone
Golovkin's KO of Rubio was the left hook coming downwards if i remember right

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 15:51
by handsofstone
Cant see anything in that clip though

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 16:08
by psivolob
Are we talking about his famous unblocking skills?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woL5hB_VKw

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 16:29
by JMac
psivolob wrote:Are we talking about his famous unblocking skills?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woL5hB_VKw
There is nothing illegal about that. That is smart boxing. Don't see an opening, then create it.

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 23 Dec 2015, 16:50
by Counter-puncher
JMac wrote:
psivolob wrote:Are we talking about his famous unblocking skills?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woL5hB_VKw
There is nothing illegal about that. That is smart boxing. Don't see an opening, then create it.
Nice

If one watches the replay of the Hearns-Shuler knockout one can see Hearns targetting and jabbing Shuler's left hand out of the way before smashing his right hand through the gap.

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 24 Dec 2015, 13:47
by Cloutov
psivolob wrote:Are we talking about his famous unblocking skills?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woL5hB_VKw
:TU:

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 27 Dec 2015, 14:09
by Tony1244
I saw nothing illegal there at all.

I remember Sam Peter once got a stern warning for hitting an opponent with both hands simultaneously. That's not how they teach you, you're obviously leaving yourself open and aren't getting the best of leverage, but I have no idea why the ref thought it should be illegal.

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 27 Dec 2015, 17:21
by Boxerbeetle
Tony1244 wrote:I saw nothing illegal there at all.

I remember Sam Peter once got a stern warning for hitting an opponent with both hands simultaneously. That's not how they teach you, you're obviously leaving yourself open and aren't getting the best of leverage, but I have no idea why the ref thought it should be illegal.
I don't remember the incident in question, but I'm guessing the ref would have judged at least one of the punches to be slaps? I imagine it would be pretty difficult to land 2 good shots simultaneously which both land with the knuckle part of the gloves?

Re: Is it legal

Posted: 27 Dec 2015, 17:39
by Tony1244
Boxerbeetle wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:I saw nothing illegal there at all.

I remember Sam Peter once got a stern warning for hitting an opponent with both hands simultaneously. That's not how they teach you, you're obviously leaving yourself open and aren't getting the best of leverage, but I have no idea why the ref thought it should be illegal.
I don't remember the incident in question, but I'm guessing the ref would have judged at least one of the punches to be slaps? I imagine it would be pretty difficult to land 2 good shots simultaneously which both land with the knuckle part of the gloves?

Not saying they were good punches, but if I remember correctly, and I may not, they landed with the proper portion of the gloves. I've seen refs warn fighters for unusual activity, sometimes I believe this unusual activity is sometimes technically legal.