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Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 14:37**

Will the pampered Deontay Wilder ever fight someone like Ortiz, Fury, Povetkin, or Joshua?

Or will he continue to take "safe" fights, choosing journeyman opponents like Molina and DuHaupas, or fringe contenders like Szpilka who are not in the top ten?

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 14:53**

Has he fought the best he could?

With the exception of Stiverne, no.

But, while I agree his resume is not one to write home about, I think that is more a function of how bad the level of competition has been.

Thank God it appears to be improving slowly but surely.

The other thing is this. If you look who he HAS fought then look at who they fought before and after Wilder, Deontay's record doesn't seem quite as bad after all.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 15:05**

Molina was an odd choice for a first defense but Wilder had broken his hand and Haymon had a backdoor deal with Don King worked out allowing a King fighter to get first crack should Wilder beat Stiverne. People forget how long it took for Wilder and Stiverne to finally come to terms on a fight.

I think we both know the Povetkin fight is next should he keep winning. The only people who don't think so are the announcers on allegedly who have business motivations to downplay Wilder.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 16:19**

koolkc107 wrote:But, while I agree his resume is not one to write home about, I think that is more a function of how bad the level of competition has been.

The level of competition could have been much better, the problem is that Wilder has chosen the softest opponents possible.

Molina is a journeyman, BoxRec #43
DuHaupas is a journeyman, #38

Szpilka is a fringe contender #18

If the division is as poor as you have been saying, why not someone in the top 15?

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 16:52**

Freedom2013 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:But, while I agree his resume is not one to write home about, I think that is more a function of how bad the level of competition has been.
The level of competition could have been much better, the problem is that Wilder has chosen the softest opponents possible.

Molina is a journeyman, BoxRec #43
DuHaupas is a journeyman, #38

Szpilka is a fringe contender #18

If the division is as poor as you have been saying, why not someone in the top 15?

I believe all 3 guys are or were ranked by WBC in top 15, which is the belt he has. We all want to see him vs the best. He claimed Fury and others have turned him down in the past. Not entirely his fault. Think the abc's check boxrec ratings?

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 18:06**

Badhusker wrote:I believe all 3 guys are or were ranked by WBC in top 15, which is the belt he has. We all want to see him vs the best. He claimed Fury and others have turned him down in the past. Not entirely his fault. Think the abc's check boxrec ratings?

Those fighters were also not in the Ring top ten, the transnational top ten, or fightnews' top 15.

The ABCs rankings are largely based upon promoters paying $$$ sanctioning fees, not on how good the boxer is.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 19:05**

Freedom2013 wrote:
Badhusker wrote:I believe all 3 guys are or were ranked by WBC in top 15, which is the belt he has. We all want to see him vs the best. He claimed Fury and others have turned him down in the past. Not entirely his fault. Think the abc's check boxrec ratings?
Those fighters were also not in the Ring top ten, the transnational top ten, or fightnews' top 15.

The ABCs rankings are largely based upon promoters paying $$$ sanctioning fees, not on how good the boxer is.

We would be seeing him vs Povetkin in January, but Povetkin wanted a tune-up. He is to blame for the delay not Wilder. Is he a good enough opponent?

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 19:13**

As long as he's under Haymon's guidance

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 19:14**

Badhusker wrote:We would be seeing him vs Povetkin in January, but Povetkin wanted a tune-up. He is to blame for the delay not Wilder. Is he a good enough opponent?

Povetkin fought Wach to stay busy because Wilder had his SECOND voluntary against Duhaupas in late September.

Povetkin originally had no intention of fighting Wach. Povetkin wanted to fight Wilder after Molina, but Wilder got the WBC's permission for a second voluntary against Duhaupas.

Wilder then used the Nov 4 Povetkin fight as an excuse to not negotiate with Povetkin for a fight in March or April.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 19:28**

The negotiation period for Povetkin was to start October 1, 2015. Which is why Wilder fought the last available weekend in September. To try to squeeze in a second optional defense. Once Povetkin scheduled a fight beyond that period negotiations were set to begin after the conclusion of the Wach fight.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 20:14**

How long will Deontay Wilder avoid the top heavyweights?

Until one of the two happens. One, WBC finally deigns to enforce the mandatory. Two, Haymon runs out of the hedge fund money and reverts back to time tested practice of earning them by making fights that people actually want to see. Which of these happens sooner I am not prepared to say.

Although, there is a third scenario if you think about it. The fat ass, lazy Pole knocks the imposter out. The quick solution, with all new line up of great HW champions, Szpilka, Glazkov an Fury. Exciting new times in the HW division.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 21:04**

He'll avoid Povetkin by using the unification loophole to fight the winner of Glazkov v Martin.
Then a few more voluntaries.

Then Fury for all the belts - avoiding Povetkin again, but at least fighting a decent fighter

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 21:46**

As long as GoldenBoy has the cash to keep Povetkin and real contenders quiet.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 22:34**

Freedom2013 wrote:Will the pampered Deontay Wilder ever fight someone like Ortiz, Fury, Povetkin, or Joshua?

Or will he continue to take "safe" fights, choosing journeyman opponents like Molina and DuHaupas, or fringe contenders like Szpilka who are not in the top ten?

Wilder is making as much coin as he possibly can before being thrust into the kick off with the top boys in the division, you know that F.
Wilder has a punch to beat the granny out of most fighters if he lands it quick and flush, he showed against Stiverne he could go a few rounds and maintain it so in some ways he covered on a number of points.
I don't know but having him in the mix is a good thing right now, hopefully he will take the path of most resistance than the path of least resistance.
He'll be forced into it either way times have changed.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 23:02**

Wilder does not have full control over who he fights, similar to the situation with Klitschko when he was with Universum earlier in his career. Things will improve as he gets more established and well known.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 23:05**

He hasn't got forever and it's been awhile.

Posted: **23 Dec 2015, 23:33**

after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 05:48**

sucracristo wrote:after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."

Is that what explains Molina, Duhaupas and 30 odd cans before that? Or giving contenders 40 day before notice?

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 09:15**

lowlefthand wrote:He'll avoid Povetkin by using the unification loophole to fight the winner of Glazkov v Martin.
Then a few more voluntaries.

Then Fury for all the belts - avoiding Povetkin again, but at least fighting a decent fighter

That's assuming Glazkov or Martin want to cash in their chips right away. It makes sense for Wilder as neither, on paper at least, is as dangerous as Povetkin. But short of a huge payday -- and I'm not convinced Wilder has that kind of $$$ power just yet-- why wouldn't Glazkov/Martin do exactly what Wilder has done? Take a few easy, low risk, paydays BEFORE trying to cash in on a unification.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 09:34**

koolkc107 wrote:But, while I agree his resume is not one to write home about, I think that is more a function of how bad the level of competition has been.

wow. can't believe i just read that.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 10:26**

Tarkus wrote:
sucracristo wrote:after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."
Is that what explains Molina, Duhaupas and 30 odd cans before that? Or giving contenders 40 day before notice?

I am one of the few I guess that think Wilder has been brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience, and lack of rounds in the pros. If Joshua's team were smart they would not rush him either. He has said himself he needs time and experience before getting to the top guys.

The Molina fight was 2 months after he broke his hand, so it seems logical he would want to test it. I guess Povetkin's promoter and the wbc president saying that Povetkin's team are the ones who asked for an extension doesn't matter. Fine. I guess Wilder getting criticized for Glazkov pulling out giving Wilder's new opponent not enough notice is Wilder's fault too. Fine.

I'm not sure why people think Wilder is afraid to fight guys like Povetkin, but unless they offer a unification fight, he will fight him. I can think of no one on this board that thinks Wilder is a polished, slick boxer with great defense, but he is as dangerous as they come in terms of risk for any heavy. Unless Povetkin catches him like he did Perez, which is unlikely, he will lose badly by KO or UD. Wilder will still not get credit if that happens I am guessing. Either Povetkin will suddenly become old or washed up, or people will say the division is totally crap if Wilder is one of the top guys.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 10:38**

Badhusker wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
sucracristo wrote:after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."
Is that what explains Molina, Duhaupas and 30 odd cans before that? Or giving contenders 40 day before notice?
I am one of the few I guess that think Wilder has been brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience, and lack of rounds in the pros. If Joshua's team were smart they would not rush him either. He has said himself he needs time and experience before getting to the top guys.

The Molina fight was 2 months after he broke his hand, so it seems logical he would want to test it. I guess Povetkin's promoter and the wbc president saying that Povetkin's team are the ones who asked for an extension doesn't matter. Fine. I guess Wilder getting criticized for Glazkov pulling out giving Wilder's new opponent not enough notice is Wilder's fault too. Fine.

I'm not sure why people think Wilder is afraid to fight guys like Povetkin, but unless they offer a unification fight, he will fight him. I can think of no one on this board that thinks Wilder is a polished, slick boxer with great defense, but he is as dangerous as they come in terms of risk for any heavy. Unless Povetkin catches him like he did Perez, which is unlikely, he will lose badly by KO or UD. Wilder will still not get credit if that happens I am guessing. Either Povetkin will suddenly become old or washed up, or people will say the division is totally crap if Wilder is one of the top guys.

Badhusker said pretty much everything I was going to say. The Wilder critics keep moving the goal post. He only fought bums, followed by Stiverne is no good. True, Molina isn't very good, but at least Wilder is relatively fighting a lot. Would you rather he took the time off? The French guy's whose name I can't spell had a close fight with undefeated Teper. And Teper, the French guy, Glaskov, and Spilkva are among the best Europeans coming up. He beat the French guy, Glaskov refused to fight him, and Wilder is fighting Spilkva. Not to mention that Povetkin is the one wanting the extension.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 11:06**

Badhusker wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
sucracristo wrote:after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."
Is that what explains Molina, Duhaupas and 30 odd cans before that? Or giving contenders 40 day before notice?
1. I am one of the few I guess that think Wilder has been brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience, and lack of rounds in the pros. If Joshua's team were smart they would not rush him either. He has said himself he needs time and experience before getting to the top guys.

2. The Molina fight was 2 months after he broke his hand, so it seems logical he would want to test it. I guess Povetkin's promoter and the wbc president saying that Povetkin's team are the ones who asked for an extension doesn't matter. Fine. I guess Wilder getting criticized for Glazkov pulling out giving Wilder's new opponent not enough notice is Wilder's fault too. Fine.

3. I'm not sure why people think Wilder is afraid to fight guys like Povetkin, but unless they offer a unification fight, he will fight him. I can think of no one on this board that thinks Wilder is a polished, slick boxer with great defense, but he is as dangerous as they come in terms of risk for any heavy. Unless Povetkin catches him like he did Perez, which is unlikely, he will lose badly by KO or UD. Wilder will still not get credit if that happens I am guessing. Either Povetkin will suddenly become old or washed up, or people will say the division is totally crap if Wilder is one of the top guys.

1. That all would be true if he was a contender, like Joshua or Hughie fury. But no, he sports a world champions belt, calls himself a champ, cries like a baby if someone criticizes his opposition and generally has a ego size of a fkn planet. In other words he is an imposter and he should be treated as such.

2. I dont criticize Czpilka as an opponent, I have said that it is a toss up. But I do criticism a manner and time of this match up.

3. You clearly have not been following the event or have a short memory. As soon as Povetkins name was mention Wilder started making excuses, slandering Povetkin as a possible drag cheat and how he is not willing to go in Russia, etc. This recent situation of Povetkin asking for time is just a bull shit propaganda. But we dont have to argue about this, the Spring will come and we will see who ducks who.

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 17:23**

At least Freedom is consistent. Similar thread about Fury. Who will be next?
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=189411

Posted: **24 Dec 2015, 22:01**

Badhusker wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
sucracristo wrote:after povetkin's last fight, he was offered wilder next but said he would not be
ready until the spring, so wilder is therefore taking this january fight in the
meantime. povetkin is the reason for the delay in the wilder fight, not wilder.
this thread is dumb.

http://wbcboxing.com/wbceng/news/5708-m ... ry-defense
"WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman has informed WBN that Alexander Povetkin’s
request to delay his world title challenge was the reason behind another voluntary
being granted to current champion Deontay Wilder."
Is that what explains Molina, Duhaupas and 30 odd cans before that? Or giving contenders 40 day before notice?
I am one of the few I guess that think Wilder has been brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience, and lack of rounds in the pros. If Joshua's team were smart they would not rush him either. He has said himself he needs time and experience before getting to the top guys.

The Molina fight was 2 months after he broke his hand, so it seems logical he would want to test it. I guess Povetkin's promoter and the wbc president saying that Povetkin's team are the ones who asked for an extension doesn't matter. Fine. I guess Wilder getting criticized for Glazkov pulling out giving Wilder's new opponent not enough notice is Wilder's fault too. Fine.

I'm not sure why people think Wilder is afraid to fight guys like Povetkin, but unless they offer a unification fight, he will fight him. I can think of no one on this board that thinks Wilder is a polished, slick boxer with great defense, but he is as dangerous as they come in terms of risk for any heavy. Unless Povetkin catches him like he did Perez, which is unlikely, he will lose badly by KO or UD. Wilder will still not get credit if that happens I am guessing. Either Povetkin will suddenly become old or washed up, or people will say the division is totally crap if Wilder is one of the top guys.

So on Boxrec list of heavyweights what number would you rate Wilder?

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