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This guy is ranked #147 and moved to America. Nothing against Ireland, my people are part Irish, as are some of the greatest Americans. But could you back up this Irish dominance theory with some better examples than Jason Quigley?

Killer Kovalev wrote:I don't think so

It's funny how USA has about 100 times the population that Ireland has and about 500 times the pro boxers.

yet per population/ per amount of boxer both pro and am Ireland wipe the floor with the USA

Some nations can fight others cannot it seems

YOUR TOO FUNNY THIS GUY HASN'T FOUGHT ANYONE FOR YOU TO BRAG ABOUT HIM

Future world champ

Greatest prospect since ggg

Killer Kovalev wrote:Just see the difference from the Ireland team and the USA team at the Olympic in Rio....

Fair enough. I'll keep my eye on both Quigley and the Irish team. Eastern European teams and the Cuban team will likely blow both the Irish and American teams out of the water.

Killer Kovalev wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote:Just see the difference from the Ireland team and the USA team at the Olympic in Rio....

Fair enough. I'll keep my eye on both Quigley and the Irish team. Eastern European teams and the Cuban team will likely blow both the Irish and American teams out of the water.

Yep Michael Conlan, Paddy Barnes and Joe Ward in particular are expected to medal, Conlan and Barnes will be favourites for Gold. Ireland came 4th in the Medals table at the recent World championships. I think only Russia and Cuba have a stronger team.

What weights are these guys?

Antoine Douglas is a much better prospect, and the same division as Quigley. Douglas is 23 years old, Quigley is 24 years old. Douglas's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 115. Quigley's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 5. Douglas is the #20 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 253; Quigley is the #147 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 35.

Killer Kovalev wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote:Just see the difference from the Ireland team and the USA team at the Olympic in Rio....

Fair enough. I'll keep my eye on both Quigley and the Irish team. Eastern European teams and the Cuban team will likely blow both the Irish and American teams out of the water.

Yep Michael Conlan, Paddy Barnes and Joe Ward in particular are expected to medal, Conlan and Barnes will be favourites for Gold. Ireland came 4th in the Medals table at the recent World championships. I think only Russia and Cuba have a stronger team.

Watch out for Uzbekistan.
Not many golds but loads of their fighters medaled.
This country will be the next boxing hotbed for amateurs.
They have a conveyor belt coming through with no signs of them turning over.

Killer Kovalev wrote:I don't think so

It's funny how USA has about 100 times the population that Ireland has and about 500 times the pro boxers.

yet per population/ per amount of boxer both pro and am Ireland wipe the floor with the USA

Some nations can fight others cannot it seems

Now now...some of the USA's best fighters are Irish, and we'll send them right over to square things if needed.

Killer Kovalev wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Antoine Douglas is a much better prospect, and the same division as Quigley. Douglas is 23 years old, Quigley is 24 years old. Douglas's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 115. Quigley's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 5. Douglas is the #20 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 253; Quigley is the #147 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 35.

He drew with the European Level... Michael Soro

I'd expect Quigley to be a big favorite if they fought. Quigley is the real deal.. if you;d seen him fight you'd know this.

The whole time Ive been watching boxing, USA middleweights have been awful.

At age 22, Douglas drew with a gatekeeper who was ranked roughly #37 at the time. At age 24, Jason Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. Has that sunk in? At a younger age, Douglas is fighting multiple top 50 opponents, and Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. It'd be like if Douglas was an 18-year-old playing in the NBA and Quigley was a 21-year-old playing high school basketball.

Lackeos wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Antoine Douglas is a much better prospect, and the same division as Quigley. Douglas is 23 years old, Quigley is 24 years old. Douglas's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 115. Quigley's best scalp had a boxrec rating of 5. Douglas is the #20 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 253; Quigley is the #147 middleweight in the world on boxrec with a rating of 35.

He drew with the European Level... Michael Soro

I'd expect Quigley to be a big favorite if they fought. Quigley is the real deal.. if you;d seen him fight you'd know this.

The whole time Ive been watching boxing, USA middleweights have been awful.

At age 22, Douglas drew with a gatekeeper who was ranked roughly #37 at the time. At age 24, Jason Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. Has that sunk in? At a younger age, Douglas is fighting multiple top 50 opponents, and Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. It'd be like if Douglas was an 18-year-old playing in the NBA and Quigley was a 21-year-old playing high school basketball.

Douglas has been a pro for just over 3 years, Quigley has been a pro for just under 18 months, goes without saying that he's fought better opposition when he's been a pro twice as long and had twice as many fights. Quigley has a European gold medal and World silver in the drawer at home, Douglas has fornicate all to shout about from his amateur career.

expe wrote:

Lackeos wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote: He drew with the European Level... Michael Soro

I'd expect Quigley to be a big favorite if they fought. Quigley is the real deal.. if you;d seen him fight you'd know this.

The whole time Ive been watching boxing, USA middleweights have been awful.

At age 22, Douglas drew with a gatekeeper who was ranked roughly #37 at the time. At age 24, Jason Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. Has that sunk in? At a younger age, Douglas is fighting multiple top 50 opponents, and Quigley still hasn't fought anyone in the top 425. It'd be like if Douglas was an 18-year-old playing in the NBA and Quigley was a 21-year-old playing high school basketball.

Douglas has been a pro for just over 3 years, Quigley has been a pro for just under 18 months, goes without saying that he's fought better opposition when he's been a pro twice as long and had twice as many fights. Quigley has a European gold medal and World silver in the drawer at home, Douglas has eff all to shout about from his amateur career.

Most amateur silver medalists like Andranik Hakobyan, Marian Simion, Serik Sapiyev, Andrey Zamkovoy, etc. don't go on to accomplish anything in the pros. Of all the World Amateur Championship silver medalists to actually become accomplished pros, which is only about 15-20% of them, none of them have ever been dawdling about fighting opponents with a maximum boxrec rating of 5 after 18 months as a pro. There is basically not an example anywhere in history of a fighter like Quigley achieving success. Whereas, most boxers like Douglas who are beating multiple gatekeepers at age 23 tend to become accomplished pros. There are very few historical examples of fighters like Douglas who don't achieve success.

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Most amateur silver medalists like Andranik Hakobyan, Marian Simion, Serik Sapiyev, Andrey Zamkovoy, etc. don't go on to accomplish anything in the pros. Of all the World Amateur Championship silver medalists to actually become accomplished pros, which is only about 15-20% of them, none of them have ever been dawdling about fighting opponents with a maximum boxrec rating of 5 after 18 months as a pro. There is basically not an example anywhere in history of a fighter like Quigley achieving success. Whereas, most boxers like Douglas who are beating multiple gatekeepers at age 23 tend to become accomplished pros. There are very few historical examples of fighters like Douglas who don't achieve success.[/quote]
Those 4 you listed never turned pro.. so it's a pointless comment. Sapiyev was far too talented he would have almost certainly been successful., hopefully Zamkovoy finally goes pro after Rio.
You saying that only 15-20% of the world championship silver medalist have become accomplished pros.. Well thats because 70-80% of them didn;t turn pro probably

Only the american and a few other countries amateurs always turn pro

Most Top Russian, Eustern European,Irish, Cuban amateur boxers DO NOT TURN PRO.
and the small amount that do, usually are succesful.