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Okay how would the big gypsy fare against the following 80"s heavyweights.

My criteria is he is meeting these erratic guys on their very best day.

v Pinklon Thomas 1985
v Tyrell Biggs 1987
v Bonecrusher Smith 1987
v Razor Ruddock 1989

mugabi wrote:Okay how would the big gypsy fare against the following 80"s heavyweights.

My criteria is he is meeting these erratic guys on their very best day.

v Pinklon Thomas 1985
v Tyrell Biggs 1987
v Bonecrusher Smith 1987
v Razor Ruddock 1989

Fury beats all but Pinklon Thomas who takes a comfortable decision.

tiny_acres wrote:

mugabi wrote:Okay how would the big gypsy fare against the following 80"s heavyweights.

My criteria is he is meeting these erratic guys on their very best day.

v Pinklon Thomas 1985
v Tyrell Biggs 1987
v Bonecrusher Smith 1987
v Razor Ruddock 1989

Fury beats all but Pinklon Thomas who takes a comfortable decision.

Agree

I'd probably pick fury to win all 4 including Pinklon.
With his jab and switch-hitting I feel fury is effective at controlling a fight and very hard to beat on points.

PredatorHayds wrote:I'd probably pick fury to win all 4 including Pinklon.
With his jab and switch-hitting I feel fury is effective at controlling a fight and very hard to beat on points.

It's a possibility.
I would really like to see Fury against someone with Pinklon's speed and boxing skills.

I cannot conceive a scenario where Tyson Fury beats Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith and especially Razor Ruddock.

Is this some fantasy where the aforementioned are as terrified of being hit by a non-hitter as Wladimir Klitschko was?

Pure nonsense.

Tuan_Jim wrote:I cannot conceive a scenario where Tyson Fury beats Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith and especially Razor Ruddock.

Is this some fantasy where the aforementioned are as terrified of being hit by a non-hitter as Wladimir Klitschko was?

Pure nonsense.

Biggs is his only chance imo, and that would be a war.

I'm glad you say that, Saad. It felt like such an unfashionable opinion I thought I might as well at least let them have Biggs. But yes, a 6'5'' guy who can crumple Snipes heavily with one shot and have Bowe reeling is going to take Fury to war. Also, he took 7 rounds of Mike Tyson so it's a given Tyson Fury can't hurt him.

I thought boxing was the masterful art of hitting without getting hit.... isn't about hurting people.... want to see that go to a Toughman contest. Anyways, Fury being as tall and rangy, fast and switch hitter as he is.... presents an enormous enigma for all those men. I see him beating all of those men, either by decisions or late stoppages because of his consistent jab cutting them down to bits (sorta like the second Chisora fight). The one who gives him the most problems is Thomas, but I see Fury pulling out the win in that scenario. Just too much to handle---- by the time Thomas or any of those men might find a way to get in close, they'd already be tired or cut up.

He couldn't even wobble Wladimir Klitschko, now he's stopping guys with steel chins?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I cannot conceive a scenario where Tyson Fury beats Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher Smith and especially Razor Ruddock.

Is this some fantasy where the aforementioned are as terrified of being hit by a non-hitter as Wladimir Klitschko was?

Pure nonsense.

Biggs is his only chance imo, and that would be a war.

Exactly. Biggs pre-Tyson was better than many people remember. He could hit very hard . . I wouldn't be shocked at him knocking out Fury at all.

Smith, Thomas, and Ruddock would likely knock him out.

HomicideHenry wrote:I thought boxing was the masterful art of hitting without getting hit.... isn't about hurting people.... want to see that go to a Toughman contest. Anyways, Fury being as tall and rangy, fast and switch hitter as he is.... presents an enormous enigma for all those men. I see him beating all of those men, either by decisions or late stoppages because of his consistent jab cutting them down to bits (sorta like the second Chisora fight). The one who gives him the most problems is Thomas, but I see Fury pulling out the win in that scenario. Just too much to handle---- by the time Thomas or any of those men might find a way to get in close, they'd already be tired or cut up.

LOL this is the Fury who was throwing WIDE slapping right hands at Klitschko? Fury has improved from the absolute slob he was when he started out but good grief his boxing skills are nothing to be impressed by. Thomas, Biggs, and even Smith would outjab him easily.

Does anybody else get the impression that this forum has received an injection of '80's love' lately?

I feel shamed that I needed this thread to remind me what a handy fighter Tyrell Biggs was.

keep it coming.

I'm just waiting for that fella who makes all of his posts in red ink to show up so we can make a Greg Page appreciation thread and get blasted for peddling his greatness in ridiculously exaggerated fashion.

dempseyfire wrote:
LOL this is the Fury who was throwing WIDE slapping right hands at Klitschko? Fury has improved from the absolute slob he was when he started out but good grief his boxing skills are nothing to be impressed by. Thomas, Biggs, and even Smith would outjab him easily.

I didn't think crooked jabs and overhands were considered "wide" and "slapping".... But you have your opinion. I think people often forget people of tremendous size, by all appearances, look as though every little thing they do is exaggerated and not coordinated, when in fact they are. You honestly think a wide, slapping, sloppy, man is going to outscore-outbox one of the more laser precision fighters of our time? No. Come on, I thought you were better than that.

How strange, no mention of Gerry Cooney, who I would have money on KO'ing Tyson Fury
in the early rounds. And I like Tyson Fury as a fighter

More interesting fights would have been Tyson Fury vs

Mike Weaver

and

Mike Dokes

Weaver and dokes would both stop him inside 3 rounds. When he jabs to the body and ducks his chin out, either Mike would drop a hook on his chin. While wlad has some skills. He's too scared to use them. No fear in any of these 80's heavies. Bert Cooper would shatter fury's face. Now fury vs James broad or Mitch green is a fight.

Hell francesco damiani would have outboxed Fury.

Ruddocks left smashes of such devastating variety overshadowed the fact razor was far lighter on his feet and mobile than any hw today....allied to the power.....his jab was very poor but he wouldnt need it in this day and age.

Few remember razor outboxing weaver with movement and his jab. If he could have incorporated the two versions of himself he would have been even more of a handful. Like Tyson, very low ring iq.

dempseyfire wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I thought boxing was the masterful art of hitting without getting hit.... isn't about hurting people.... want to see that go to a Toughman contest. Anyways, Fury being as tall and rangy, fast and switch hitter as he is.... presents an enormous enigma for all those men. I see him beating all of those men, either by decisions or late stoppages because of his consistent jab cutting them down to bits (sorta like the second Chisora fight). The one who gives him the most problems is Thomas, but I see Fury pulling out the win in that scenario. Just too much to handle---- by the time Thomas or any of those men might find a way to get in close, they'd already be tired or cut up.

LOL this is the Fury who was throwing WIDE slapping right hands at Klitschko? Fury has improved from the absolute slob he was when he started out but good grief his boxing skills are nothing to be impressed by. Thomas, Biggs, and even Smith would outjab him easily.

That crude right hand allowed him to position his head perfectly every time Wlad stepped inside it. That swelling wasn't caused by Fury's punches.

He has poor punch technique. But is undoubtedly a nightmare to fight against. I kind of think that if someone went out there to put it on him that they could blow him away. Anyway I'm sure he's gorging on Big Macs while Wlad is preparing himself for the rematch. I fully expect Wlad to retake the title unless he's really regressed.

All cracking match-ups in their own way although I am not that clued up on Thomas or Biggs.
I don't think I ever saw the best of Biggs to be honest....he was on a downward curve when I saw his fights.

I can see a scenario where Smith and Ruddock drop and potentially stop TF.

Both of them 'at their best' knew how to drop the hammer and one opportunity was often all they needed; can't see these two fencing for an opening like Wlad did, they'd have made things happen/taken some risks and forced TF to exchange.

Smith - in particular - was a brute of a guy in the strength department and had a good chin. At his best he might even have jumped TF early like he did Witherspoon in their second fight.

There's the second possibility of Smith hanging tough and then suddenly coming on strong in the last quarter of the fight; Bruno hit him plenty hard but Smith was still there and I think he had some late success against Iron Mike that had a few people wondering why he did not hit the gas earlier?

Ray Mercer clearly not of this era but he's another 'up and downer' who I think could have caused TF some very tough times indeed.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Few remember razor outboxing weaver with movement and his jab. If he could have incorporated the two versions of himself he would have been even more of a handful. Like Tyson, very low ring iq.

Yes that went out the window following the Smith KO. Kind of odd; he went from a mainly jabbing fighter to seemingly forgetting about the jab entirely . . the "no shi$" weapon against a shorter pressure fighter like Tyson!!

I'd probably favor Fury vs Weaver . . .Fury's jab and size would outpoint Hercules if Mike fought his usual sleepy-time mode fight.

Ezzard wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:I thought boxing was the masterful art of hitting without getting hit.... isn't about hurting people.... want to see that go to a Toughman contest. Anyways, Fury being as tall and rangy, fast and switch hitter as he is.... presents an enormous enigma for all those men. I see him beating all of those men, either by decisions or late stoppages because of his consistent jab cutting them down to bits (sorta like the second Chisora fight). The one who gives him the most problems is Thomas, but I see Fury pulling out the win in that scenario. Just too much to handle---- by the time Thomas or any of those men might find a way to get in close, they'd already be tired or cut up.

LOL this is the Fury who was throwing WIDE slapping right hands at Klitschko? Fury has improved from the absolute slob he was when he started out but good grief his boxing skills are nothing to be impressed by. Thomas, Biggs, and even Smith would outjab him easily.

That crude right hand allowed him to position his head perfectly every time Wlad stepped inside it. That swelling wasn't caused by Fury's punches.

He has poor punch technique. But is undoubtedly a nightmare to fight against. I kind of think that if someone went out there to put it on him that they could blow him away. Anyway I'm sure he's gorging on Big Macs while Wlad is preparing himself for the rematch. I fully expect Wlad to retake the title unless he's really regressed.

He rarely landed it; he'd usually throw it so wide that Wlad would step in, the punch would go around his neck, and they would clinch. If he'd thrown a shorter proper right hand he could've nailed Wlad as he came into clinch often.

Tuan_Jim wrote:I'm glad you say that, Saad. It felt like such an unfashionable opinion I thought I might as well at least let them have Biggs. But yes, a 6'5'' guy who can crumple Snipes heavily with one shot and have Bowe reeling is going to take Fury to war. Also, he took 7 rounds of Mike Tyson so it's a given Tyson Fury can't hurt him.

biggs was ko'd by just about everyone he fought ,

dempseyfire wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:
LOL this is the Fury who was throwing WIDE slapping right hands at Klitschko? Fury has improved from the absolute slob he was when he started out but good grief his boxing skills are nothing to be impressed by. Thomas, Biggs, and even Smith would outjab him easily.

That crude right hand allowed him to position his head perfectly every time Wlad stepped inside it. That swelling wasn't caused by Fury's punches.

He has poor punch technique. But is undoubtedly a nightmare to fight against. I kind of think that if someone went out there to put it on him that they could blow him away. Anyway I'm sure he's gorging on Big Macs while Wlad is preparing himself for the rematch. I fully expect Wlad to retake the title unless he's really regressed.

He rarely landed it; he'd usually throw it so wide that Wlad would step in, the punch would go around his neck, and they would clinch. If he'd thrown a shorter proper right hand he could've nailed Wlad as he came into clinch often.

He did more damage by not landing it...

stevedoc wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I'm glad you say that, Saad. It felt like such an unfashionable opinion I thought I might as well at least let them have Biggs. But yes, a 6'5'' guy who can crumple Snipes heavily with one shot and have Bowe reeling is going to take Fury to war. Also, he took 7 rounds of Mike Tyson so it's a given Tyson Fury can't hurt him.

biggs was ko'd by just about everyone he fought ,

............after Tyson ruined him.
The Biggs that I first watched against David Bey, would not have been so easily beaten by Gary Mason or even Lennox Lewis.
He was badly cut in a close fight against a solid opponent in a fight that pretty much would determine the course of his career, and he pulled out the ko against a durable guy. (ironically, in hindsight, losing on a cuts stoppage might have been better for him)