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Lennox Lewis,Naseem Hamed,Joe Calzaghe,Ricky Hatton,Chris Eubank,& Carl Froch.In my opinion was the best U.K. fighters of the past & greats as well.

Tyson Fury the second best heavyweight from the UK maybe to become the best? we will see in the next few years.

psychod1986 wrote:Lennox Lewis,Naseem Hamed,Joe Calzaghe,Ricky Hatton,Chris Eubank,& Carl Froch.In my opinion was the best U.K. fighters of the past & greats as well.

Although I'm a huge fan, Eubanks career is looked at with rose tinted specs. He got quite a few gifts and squeaked wins in snoozers. Don't get me wrong, a warrior with skills, but I'm not sure he's atg. You could easily make arguments for him and Benn not being the best in the country throughout their careers (with graham, Collins, and Watson about) let alone the world. Neither wanted nunn, McCallum, kalambay, toney, rjj. The more time passes, the more they seem like huge domestic ticket sellers albeit with world class skills.

It's tough when there's little footage of Jim Driscoll, Jimmy Wilde etc.

Conteh and honeyghan are always overlooked in these type of threads

I can't believe that the British forget about the great Bob Fitzsimmons. Between he and the great Jimmy Wilde, they got to be 1 and 2 best British boxers ever

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

psychod1986 wrote:Lennox Lewis,Naseem Hamed,Joe Calzaghe,Ricky Hatton,Chris Eubank,& Carl Froch.In my opinion was the best U.K. fighters of the past & greats as well.

Theres loads. I dont think Naz, Hatton, Eubank, Benn or Froch belong in the top ten. Especially Naz and Hatton.

A rough list of 15 greats

Bob Fitzsimmons
Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Freddie Welsh
Ted Kids Lewis
Benny Lynch
Jim Driscoll
Ken Buchanan
Jack Kid Berg
Joe Calzaghe
John Conteh
Owen Moran
Randy Turpin
Howard Winston
Lloyd Honeyghan

Etc

Nice list. But, I personally believe that the great Jimmy Wilde was way better than Lennox Lewis.

Ted "Kid" Lewis, Jack " Kid" Berg and Benny Lynch, top 100 ATGs, are better than The Lion also.

I'd have Naz in the top 15 and possibly Ricky Hatton too

Howard Winstone was an underrated champion. He lost to the great Vicente Saldivar 3 times of hard fought scraps. I like him a lot as a boxer. One of UK's finest.

Don't forget about Jock McAvoy and Len Harvey. Two Britons that never became world champions.

In my life time Lennox and Calzaghe stand head and shoulders above the rest.

Historically the flyweights take some beating.
Jackie Paterson, Benny Lynch, Peter Kane, Jackie Brown and Jimmy Wilde

Post war I'd have my top 3 as

1. Lewis
2. Calzaghe
3. Buchanan

PredatorHayds wrote:Post war I'd have my top 3 as

1. Lewis
2. Calzaghe
3. Buchanan

You mean, post Vietnam war? Just kidding.

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

dr_devious wrote:I'd have Naz in the top 15 and possibly Ricky Hatton too

On what basis?

I'd definitely put them above Howard Winstone and Lloyd Honeyghan on the list shown

Honeyhan beat a weight drained Don Curry, whilst a great win not the best ever by a Brit. Hatton's win against Tszyu is probably on par. Naz was extremely gifted and was a devastating force when he burst onto the scene. If you look at the all-time lists at FW and WW Naz would definitely be higher than Honeyghan in their respective divisions and so would Hatton in a much less stacked LWW division. I'm not as familiar with Howard Winstone but looking at his record I don't put him above Naz or Hatton

I would put King Alfred the Great (AD 849-899) on any such list for sure.
check this out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_the_Great

I've seen enough of Hatton, Naz and Honeyghan to know that Lloyd isn't better than the other two, neither of whom would have been clowned by their divisions version of Marlon Starling. Seriously doubt that Winstone was better than Naz too

Winstone was maybe the best pure boxer I've seen at Featherweight not named Pep. One of the best jabs I've seen at any weight class. Beautiful fighter. If not for Saldivar he'd have been champ for sure.

King Carlos wrote:Winstone was maybe the best pure boxer I've seen at Featherweight not named Pep. One of the best jabs I've seen at any weight class. Beautiful fighter. If not for Saldivar he'd have been champ for sure.

Yes. Its.definitely worth mentioning, too, that Winstone gave saldivar a much more interesting couple of tests than anyone else I saw in the ring with Vicente

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

dr_devious wrote:Honeyhan beat a weight drained Don Curry, whilst a great win not the best ever by a Brit. Hatton's win against Tszyu is probably on par. Naz was extremely gifted and was a devastating force when he burst onto the scene. If you look at the all-time lists at FW and WW Naz would definitely be higher than Honeyghan in their respective divisions and so would Hatton in a much less stacked LWW division. I'm not as familiar with Howard Winstone but looking at his record I don't put him above Naz or Hatton

You say "But looking at his record" lol This is what real fans call 'A boxrec fan' The most laughed at fans in boxing.

He's making a prize fool of himself across a number of threads. He seems young and very new to boxing. His opinions all seem to be based on skimming Boxrec records and reading Wikipedia.

dr_devious wrote:

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

dr_devious wrote:I'd have Naz in the top 15 and possibly Ricky Hatton too

On what basis?

I'd definitely put them above Howard Winstone and Lloyd Honeyghan on the list shown

honeyghan did it in the road, not with thousands behind him, including the ref.

Wins tone was a better fighter than naz with half a hand

Tuan_Jim wrote:

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:

dr_devious wrote:Honeyhan beat a weight drained Don Curry, whilst a great win not the best ever by a Brit. Hatton's win against Tszyu is probably on par. Naz was extremely gifted and was a devastating force when he burst onto the scene. If you look at the all-time lists at FW and WW Naz would definitely be higher than Honeyghan in their respective divisions and so would Hatton in a much less stacked LWW division. I'm not as familiar with Howard Winstone but looking at his record I don't put him above Naz or Hatton

You say "But looking at his record" lol This is what real fans call 'A boxrec fan' The most laughed at fans in boxing.

He's making a prize fool of himself across a number of threads. He seems young and very new to boxing. His opinions all seem to be based on skimming Boxrec records and reading Wikipedia.

Because I disagree with some of your posts? I've been watching boxing for over 30 years and I'm well qualified to debate the relative merits of Lloyd Honeyghan, Ricky Hatton and Naseem Hamed having seen many of their fights. I am less familiar with Howard Winstone's career. I also vividly remember Bowe ducking Lewis in the 90s and chucking his belt in a bin instead of facing Lennox. Get over yourself

Shame you can't remember Bowe signing to fight Lewis and then Lewis blowing it. Read the REMEMBER WHEN RIDDICK BOWE SIGNED TO FIGHT LENNOX LEWIS thread and be man enough to apologise.

I've got no cause to apologise to you

Stevieb8006 wrote:

dr_devious wrote:

FrozenMixedVegtables wrote:
On what basis?

I'd definitely put them above Howard Winstone and Lloyd Honeyghan on the list shown

honeyghan did it in the road, not with thousands behind him, including the ref.

Wins tone was a better fighter than naz with half a hand

This is a poor statement. Ofc Winstone was a class act no doubt about it but Hamed was a tremendous fighter who was only bested by the elite level Barrera and beat everyone else. Multiple belts, home and away. Huge puncher - without doubt one of the biggest punchers in the history of the division. He was a match for anyone at his best and could well have beaten Winstone.

Also I would rate Hatton p4p above Honeyghan too! Again not great comments - Hatton did it on the road too like winning a belt in the division above him in Boston, or winning two fights in Vegas. Hatton again at his best only lost to Floyd and Manny, won multiple belts in two weight divisions and beat an atg in tszyu. I remember Loyd H well and saw all his fights back in the day. He was a good fighter ofc but came well unstuck against both Breland and Starling. His record isn't as good as Hattons pure and simple and p4p id defo rate hatton higher.

Ofc Hatton isn't up there with the likes of Jimmy Wilde or Ted Kid Lewis or Jackie Kid Berg or Ken Buchannan, Calzaghe etc but he's defo up there with Winstone and Welsh, Turpin, Conteh, McGuigan, Harvey, Jock Macavoy , Lennox Lewis, Froch and and Hamed too in the second rank of great british fighters.

Hatton lost to a hand picked paper champ in Collazo but was given the decision. Beat an aged rusty K zoo on home ground with a friendly ref. Manhandled by Mayweather and Pac - no shame there - ran from Witter. Engaged in an absurd number of WBU fights.

Honeyghan besting Curry eclipses anything he did. Starling and Breland are elite.

Hamed dabbled in the elite one time and received a thorough drubbing and lost all heart to ever box again.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Hatton lost to a hand picked paper champ in Collazo but was given the decision. Beat an aged rusty K zoo on home ground with a friendly ref. Manhandled by Mayweather and Pac - no shame there - ran from Witter. Engaged in an absurd number of WBU fights.

Honeyghan besting Curry eclipses anything he did. Starling and Breland are elite.

Hamed dabbled in the elite one time and received a thorough drubbing and lost all heart to ever box again.

Lol i expected this. It's very biased though isnt it? Ran from witter, zoo was aged and rusty? We could go on all day couldn't we with me going the other way - Currry was weight drained - Curry did nothing once he lost and was probably overated anwyay - Breland wasn't elite and only really had one good win his whole career koing honey in 3, he lost to vaca and lost in his first defence too - Honey lost all heart when he lost to starling and was never the same again etc etc two ways to look at a lot of these fights, fighters - I just think you're being totally dismissive of two great recent british boxers here and they both clearly are up there with a lot of the best from this country.