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British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 20:05
by Horse
1. (1.) Tyson Fury
2. (2.) James DeGale
3. (3.) Kell Brook
4. (4.) Carl Frampton
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Jamie McDonnell
7. (7.) Scott Quigg
8. (8.) Lee Selby
9. (9.) Martin Murray
10. (17.) Billy Joe Saunders
11. (11.) Ola Afolabi
12. (16.) Tony Bellew
13. (12.) George Groves
14. (13.) Lee Haskins
15. (14.) Terry Flanagan
16. (10.) Andy Lee (Irish)
17. (15.) Ricky Burns
18. (18.) Anthony Crolla
19. (19.) Ovill McKenzie
20. (20.) Callum Smith
21. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
22. (30.) Chris Eubank Jr.
23. (RE.) Anthony Joshua
24. (22.) Liam Smith
25. (29.) Paul Butler
26. (RE.) Enzo Maccarinelli
27. (23.) Gavin McDonnell
28. (24.) Ryan Farrag
29. (25.) Sam Eggington
30. (26.) Liam Walsh
Out - (27.) Dereck Chisora
Out - (28.) Stuart Hall
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 20:05
by Horse
Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 20:12
by davie
I've made it my new years resolution to get in less pointless arguments
fornicating great list Horse!
Delighted to see Hall drop out.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 20:19
by Horse
davie wrote:I've made it my new years resolution to get in less pointless arguments
Are you sure about that resolution? Maybe you should argue more.
davie wrote:effing great list Horse!
Delighted to see Hall drop out.
It's time that he dropped out.
He's meant to be in an IBF eliminator early this year, but it isn't on the schedule yet.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 31 Dec 2015, 20:23
by davie
Horse wrote:davie wrote:I've made it my new years resolution to get in less pointless arguments
Are you sure about that resolution? Maybe you should argue more.
davie wrote:effing great list Horse!
Delighted to see Hall drop out.
It's time that he dropped out.
He's meant to be in an IBF eliminator early this year, but it isn't on the schedule yet.
Really? I don't think you've posted a list in 2015 without at least one criticism from me.
When Hall loses that eliminator I'll look forward to him not re-entering
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 08:27
by Boxerbeetle
Bellew seems too high to me.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 08:28
by davie
Boxerbeetle wrote:Bellew seems too high to me.
Bellew always seems too high for me.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 08:36
by Manchester Massive
Can't justify Bellew being above Crolla, Flanagan and Haskins
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 08:49
by Switch hitter
Murray too high
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 08:57
by reggaereggae
One thing this list shows is British boxing is pretty deep and very healthy. I seem to remember at times we only had a few genuine world class fighters
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 09:07
by davie
reggaereggae wrote:One thing this list shows is British boxing is pretty deep and very healthy. I seem to remember at times we only had a few genuine world class fighters
You're not the first to mention that on Horses monthly list.
As such it's getting harder and harder to rank 30 fighters.
The biggest issue is how highly do you rate title holders vs someone like Khan, Murray, Afolabi or Groves
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 09:33
by reggaereggae
davie wrote:reggaereggae wrote:One thing this list shows is British boxing is pretty deep and very healthy. I seem to remember at times we only had a few genuine world class fighters
You're not the first to mention that on Horses monthly list.
As such it's getting harder and harder to rank 30 fighters.
The biggest issue is how highly do you rate title holders vs someone like Khan, Murray, Afolabi or Groves
Oh it's tough no doubt. But we have a large number of world class fighters. P4P rankings are very difficult and subjective. But I totally agree with Tyson at number 1. This man dominated a champion for almost 10 years in a big upset. In the premier division. And unexpectedly. Tyson Fury
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Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 09:49
by ThereByTheGrace
Not in a million years is mcdonell higher than Selby. Selby should be top 5.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 10:26
by Horse
davie wrote:Really? I don't think you've posted a list in 2015 without at least one criticism from me.
Nothing wrong with that.
davie wrote:When Hall loses that eliminator I'll look forward to him not re-entering
Not a Hall fan then?
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 10:38
by Horse
Boxerbeetle wrote:Bellew seems too high to me.
Masternak was a good win.
Bellew being above several world champions does seem a bit strange, but he does have a deeper record than most on the list and he is on good form.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 11:09
by Stuarty
Good list as always Horse. Khan is far too high for me. He's stagnated a bit waiting about IMO. BJS should be a bit higher up.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 12:57
by davie
Horse wrote:davie wrote:Really? I don't think you've posted a list in 2015 without at least one criticism from me.
Nothing wrong with that.
davie wrote:When Hall loses that eliminator I'll look forward to him not re-entering
Not a Hall fan then?
Let's just say, if Hall read everything I'd said about his boxing career, he'd likely smack me in the mouth.
Reckon I'd win UD12 though
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 16:20
by jaymitch81
McDonnell should be above Khan and Frampton imo.
Murray and Afolabi also too high up.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 18:05
by rd350lc
yep , BJS should be above Murray .
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 01 Jan 2016, 21:00
by digzee
Flanagan ahead of Haskins, Groves, Bellew and Afolabi for me at least, I would have him in the top 10 too but I admit i'm a bit biased as I am a big fan.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 08:43
by Horse
Manchester Massive wrote:Can't justify Bellew being above Crolla, Flanagan and Haskins
I rate him more than most.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 08:46
by Horse
Switch hitter wrote:Murray too high
He was unlucky not to get the decision against Abraham.
How many would think that he was ranked too high if he had been given the official verdicts against Sturm, Martinez and Abraham?
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 08:51
by Horse
davie wrote:reggaereggae wrote:One thing this list shows is British boxing is pretty deep and very healthy. I seem to remember at times we only had a few genuine world class fighters
You're not the first to mention that on Horses monthly list.
As such it's getting harder and harder to rank 30 fighters.
The biggest issue is how highly do you rate title holders vs someone like Khan, Murray, Afolabi or Groves
Yes, British boxing is in a very healthy state at the moment.
For me, to a large extent, the titles should be ignored.
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 10:05
by davie
Horse wrote:Manchester Massive wrote:Can't justify Bellew being above Crolla, Flanagan and Haskins
I rate him more than most.
I know you've just said you largely igone the titles. But many people here and abroad think Flannigan is the best lightweight on the planet.
As for Crolla, I had him outside of world class.
But I put that down to me not knowing what I was talking about.
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The 2 performances against Perez and the eventual stoppage win surely count for something at world level. Even though I didn't rate him he has to get more credit than 18th place for those results
Re: British Top 30 P4P January 2016
Posted: 02 Jan 2016, 10:07
by Horse
reggaereggae wrote:Oh it's tough no doubt. But we have a large number of world class fighters. P4P rankings are very difficult and subjective. But I totally agree with Tyson at number 1. This man dominated a champion for almost 10 years in a big upset. In the premier division. And unexpectedly. Tyson Fury
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