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Killer Kovalev wrote:Seems like it's the only division that USA produce top boxers
Welterweight is really the only division americans talk about 90% of the time

Almost all of their boxers from middleweight to heavyweight are poor
almost all of their boxers in lower divisions are poor

It's liek the whole american boxing industry revolves around 1 weight division... because they are so poor in every other division

Wow, so i guess guys like Ward at SMW, Andrade at Jr MW, Garcia at LW means we're doing poorly in every other division, huh??

That is weird.

I almost forgot that Wilder is at the top

Jennings is #5 HW
Jack is WBC champ and #5 SMW in the world

Danny Jacobs is WBA MW Champ, Peter Quillin is #5 in the world

Jermall Charlo is IBF Jr MW Champ

Jermell Charlo is #1 WBC Contender

Gary Russell WBC FW Champ

Abner Mares #4

Nonito Donaire #5

I guess us Americans aren't doing enough,

Killer Kovalev wrote:True or False .. when Americans talk about Boxing. and american boxers . 80%-90% of the time they talk about Welterweights.. like the whole boxing world revolves around one division. It's all they have.

I can see a lot of Hate for Americans, either that or some serious ignorance on your behalf.

The WW's have been more popular as of late but there was a time when we mostly focused on HWs as did the rest of the world but I have news for you, most of the world focuses on the WWs too.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:Jennings is #5 HW
Jack is WBC champ and #5 SMW in the world

Danny Jacobs is WBA MW Champ, Peter Quillin is #5 in the world

Jermall Charlo is IBF Jr MW Champ

Jermell Charlo is #1 WBC Contender

Gary Russell WBC FW Champ

Abner Mares #4

Nonito Donaire #5

I guess us Americans aren't doing enough,

Jack as in the swedish/gambian boxer .......

Undefeated49-0 wrote:Jennings is #5 HW
Jack is WBC champ and #5 SMW in the world

Danny Jacobs is WBA MW Champ, Peter Quillin is #5 in the world

Jermall Charlo is IBF Jr MW Champ

Jermell Charlo is #1 WBC Contender

Gary Russell WBC FW Champ

Abner Mares #4

Nonito Donaire #5

I guess us Americans aren't doing enough,

When did the Filipino flash turn into the American flash????

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote:True or False .. when Americans talk about Boxing. and american boxers . 80%-90% of the time they talk about Welterweights.. like the whole boxing world revolves around one division. It's all they have.

I can see a lot of Hate for Americans, either that or some serious ignorance on your behalf.

The WW's have been more popular as of late but there was a time when we mostly focused on HWs as did the rest of the world but I have news for you, most of the world focuses on the WWs too.

Talking about ignorance is pretty funny when your claiming Filipino and Swedish fighters as American's.

digzee wrote:Talking about ignorance is pretty funny when your claiming Filipino and Swedish fighters as American's.

Yes, I'm talking about your ignorance, Nonito while being of Filipino decent is born here in the USA and will tell you that he's an American.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

digzee wrote:Talking about ignorance is pretty funny when your claiming Filipino and Swedish fighters as American's.

Yes, I'm talking about your ignorance, Nonito while being of Filipino decent is born here in the USA and will tell you that he's an American.

and what about jack?

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

digzee wrote:Talking about ignorance is pretty funny when your claiming Filipino and Swedish fighters as American's.

Yes, I'm talking about your ignorance, Nonito while being of Filipino decent is born here in the USA and will tell you that he's an American.

He was born in the Philippine's!! Do your homework, you are the ignorant one.

digzee wrote: Talking about ignorance is pretty funny when your claiming Filipino and Swedish fighters as American's.

and claiming jacobs is wba champ. i mean, he has a trinket from that organization but that's like
calling the wba interim guy, whoever that is, the wba champ. we all know who the wba champ is.

that said, it's not like only americans were talking about floyd. floyd was dominating boxing coverage
in every country and was very popular over in russia during a recent trip while recently retired. people on
this board, americans, europeans, south americans, asians, all talk about fighters from everywhere pretty
much the same, at least at the top level.

49-0 brought up wilder, this troll OP says "oh he sucks and is going to ko'd by povetkin bla bla"
i have no idea if bhop is still fighting but his incredibly long run at lightheavy ended only recently
and ward technically could contend at the top level at both 175 and 168, and whether or not he loses
to kovelev is just as speculative as the wilder/povetkin comment.
while i wouldn't call jacobs a real champion i would put both him and quillin definitely in the top 10 at 160.
where in the top 10 can't say exactly but comfortably in the contender mix.
154 the charlos, andrade, vanes, and while lara is a product of the cuban amateur system he has been
based out of the usa his entire pro career and probably has never returned to cuba since leaving there
a year before turning pro. there are other top 10 americans at 154. with canelo currently in the 160 mix,
i'm not even sure who the OP would say is dominating the 154 division more than the americans.
he conceded the welters, with floyd gone there is still thurman, bradley, porter, guerrero, garcia, alexander, etc.
peterson may be at welter now for good but at 140 you still have crawford, broner, vargas, algieri, etc.
pretty sure mickey bey has the ibf title at lightweight and of course there is another cuban based out of
the usa his entire pro career who probably hasn't been back to cuba since leaving long ago.
i would say at least half the top 10 at 126 and 122 are based out of the usa their whole pro careers, also.
as far as the "filipino flash" argument, he was born a US citizen in the philippines but has lived in the USA
2/3 of his life and his entire amateur and pro career so arguing he is not american is stupid. i believe vanes
was also born abroad but how can anyone argue a US olympian whose entire amateur and pro career in
the united states is not american? if not then take away half the european boxers not born in europe.
in fact, probably most of the fighters claimed by other countries are actually based out of the USA.
*edit. ok well after typing all that i see the OP wasn't kovalev but brut quoting him. point is the same*

digzee wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:Jennings is #5 HW
Jack is WBC champ and #5 SMW in the world

Danny Jacobs is WBA MW Champ, Peter Quillin is #5 in the world

Jermall Charlo is IBF Jr MW Champ

Jermell Charlo is #1 WBC Contender

Gary Russell WBC FW Champ

Abner Mares #4

Nonito Donaire #5

I guess us Americans aren't doing enough,

When did the Filipino flash turn into the American flash????

Mares is Mexican and Jack is Swedish.

expe wrote:Mares is Mexican

dual citizen who has fought 100% of pro fights and lived over half his life in the US,
but obviously he wants ethnic mexicans in the western states to support him.

sucracristo wrote:

expe wrote:Mares is Mexican

dual citizen who has fought 100% of pro fights and lived over half his life in the US,
but obviously he wants ethnic mexicans in the western states to support him.

Born in Mexico, Mexican parents, grew up in Mexico, fought at the Olympics for Mexico = Mexican

expe wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

expe wrote:Mares is Mexican

dual citizen who has fought 100% of pro fights and lived over half his life in the US,
but obviously he wants ethnic mexicans in the western states to support him.

Born in Mexico, Mexican parents, grew up in Mexico, fought at the Olympics for Mexico = Mexican

then why live in the usa over half his life, including his whole pro career, train and fight here, and have
dual citizenship? if he had to cut up one passport, you are positive it would be the american passport?

sucracristo wrote:

expe wrote:

sucracristo wrote: dual citizen who has fought 100% of pro fights and lived over half his life in the US,
but obviously he wants ethnic mexicans in the western states to support him.

Born in Mexico, Mexican parents, grew up in Mexico, fought at the Olympics for Mexico = Mexican

then why live in the usa over half his life, including his whole pro career, train and fight here, and have
dual citizenship? if he had to cut up one passport, you are positive it would be the american passport?

Because there's more money in America. Economic reasons are the main driving force behind immigration and has been for centuries.

Having dual citizenship makes his life a lot easier because he doesn't have to worry about visas or anything like that, just the sensible thing to do. If he was making the decision purely based on nationality, then I'm 99% certain he'd bin the US passport. If he was making it for practical reasons, then there's a chance he would keep the US passport because that's where he currently lives and it's a lot easier to get into Mexico on a US passport than it is to get into America on a Mexican passport.

I think this picture makes it pretty clear what nationality he considers himself to be.

sucracristo wrote:

expe wrote:

sucracristo wrote: dual citizen who has fought 100% of pro fights and lived over half his life in the US,
but obviously he wants ethnic mexicans in the western states to support him.

Born in Mexico, Mexican parents, grew up in Mexico, fought at the Olympics for Mexico = Mexican

then why live in the usa over half his life, including his whole pro career, train and fight here, and have
dual citizenship? if he had to cut up one passport, you are positive it would be the american passport?

Do you think if there was the same money and opportunities in Mexico as there is in America he would still be fighting in America?

Also trying to claim Cubans as Americans is stupid, they cant turn pro in there own country but they learnt there trade there. Will you be claiming GGG as American too?

Not here to debate whether there is a lull in US boxing. Got to know Abner a bit. He was completely raised in CA in Hawaiian Gardens part of Los Angeles. He said it was very hard to go to Mexico to make the team there. He was considered an American taking one of there spots. He claims his Mexican culture like Oscar did. Both for pride and huge fan base.

Personally I dig seeing fighters from around the globe do well. Wild Card looks like a mini Olympics every day with so many countries and cultures represented.

Welterweight is America's best division. But Jacobs, Charlo, Charlo, Crawford, Russell, Wilder and many other Americans are doing quite well.

Worth noting that GGG, most Cubans, and at least half a dozen others in boxrec's top 50 P4P move to, and fight out of America.

Tony1244 wrote:Welterweight is America's best division. But Jacobs, Charlo, Charlo, Crawford, Russell, Wilder and many other Americans are doing quite well.

Worth noting that GGG, most Cubans, and at least half a dozen others in boxrec's top 50 P4P move to, and fight out of America.

You do realise they are only there for the money and the lack of opportunities on there own country?

expe wrote:Mares is Mexican and Jack is Swedish.

Who holds dual citizenship, Donaire does also. I was wrong about Jack, no harm, no foul but the point of it is that I proved to that bigot and racist Killer Kovalev that he was wrong about everything he stated in regards to Americans.

digzee wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Welterweight is America's best division. But Jacobs, Charlo, Charlo, Crawford, Russell, Wilder and many other Americans are doing quite well.

Worth noting that GGG, most Cubans, and at least half a dozen others in boxrec's top 50 P4P move to, and fight out of America.

You do realise they are only there for the money and the lack of opportunities on there own country?

The Germans seem to take credit for the Klitschkos and other more Eastern European fighters, but no one sees GGG as American even though he and others fight out of here. I understand the financial incentives, but while America no longer dominates boxing as it once did, it is still quite involved and has many great fighters.

digzee wrote:You do realise they are only there for the money and the lack of opportunities on there own country?

that includes most americans and their ancestors going back only a few generations.
does it make them not american? look at all those european boxers not born in europe,
or who moved from one european country to another for opportunities. as far was what
color trunks and what colors they have behind them in a painting, i give you irish mickey
ward and irish outlaw ryan coyne. i give you irish andy lee, who competed in the olympics
for ireland but i believe was born in manchester and has spent more of his life in england.
fury also competed internationally for ireland as an amateur and won an irish title as a pro,
but was born in britain and lived most of his life there and says he is british. in the usa,
people claim countries that their parents and grandparents are from as their own, even if
they've never been there themselves. it's about ethnicity. you can call yourself anything
and be from anywhere and become an american. yeah, you're right. a lot of people come
to america because they couldn't achieve what they wanted to achieve where they came from.
you imply like it's a bad thing. saying if america wasn't america people wouldn't come here
is kinda dumb. they come here because it's america. mares lives here for at least that one
reason you listed, opportunity and standard of living, but i wouldn't be so quick to assume
that every mexican-american wants to return to mexico. once people get here, they tend
to realize the differences between here and where they came from are multi-faceted. there
are reasons why mexico has a comparatively low standard of living. you can walk across
the border from arizona, texas, and california and it's like another world, so it's not like it's
the ground they're standing on that makes things that way. there are good and bad economic
systems and ways of imposing rule of law and mexico historically has had it all wrong. also,
saying cuban refugees all want to go back to cuba is just as dumb. they are americans, now.
they are here for life and their kids will be raised here and they will never go back.

sucracristo wrote:

digzee wrote:You do realise they are only there for the money and the lack of opportunities on there own country?

that includes most americans and their ancestors going back only a few generations.
does it make them not american? look at all those european boxers not born in europe,
or who moved from one european country to another for opportunities. as far was what
color trunks and what colors they have behind them in a painting, i give you irish mickey
ward and irish outlaw ryan coyne. i give you irish andy lee, who competed in the olympics
for ireland but i believe was born in manchester and has spent more of his life in england.
fury also competed internationally for ireland as an amateur and won an irish title as a pro,
but was born in britain and lived most of his life there and says he is british. in the usa,
people claim countries that their parents and grandparents are from as their own, even if
they've never been there themselves. it's about ethnicity. you can call yourself anything
and be from anywhere and become an american. yeah, you're right. a lot of people come
to america because they couldn't achieve what they wanted to achieve where they came from.
you imply like it's a bad thing. saying if america wasn't america people wouldn't come here
is kinda dumb. they come here because it's america. mares lives here for at least that one
reason you listed, opportunity and standard of living, but i wouldn't be so quick to assume
that every mexican-american wants to return to mexico. once people get here, they tend
to realize the differences between here and where they came from are multi-faceted. there
are reasons why mexico has a comparatively low standard of living. you can walk across
the border from arizona, texas, and california and it's like another world, so it's not like it's
the ground they're standing on that makes things that way. there are good and bad economic
systems and ways of imposing rule of law and mexico historically has had it all wrong. also,
saying cuban refugees all want to go back to cuba is just as dumb. they are americans, now.
they are here for life and their kids will be raised here and they will never go back.

Yup. "Irish" Jerry Quarry spent a week or 2 in Ireland.