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Killer Kovalev wrote:I just cannot see anyone beating this guy.. from featherweight to Lightweight... He will just clean up and beat everyone. he's unbelievably talented.

His resume by the end of his career will be incredible, just like it was in the amateurs.

NO! I know you're putting him here because he has white skin but I will disagree whether he had white skin or not. None of us can say with all certainty who is the most skilled or talented.

Did he not lose to Salido?? Errol Spence is just as skilled as he is and hasn't lost a fight.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Killer Kovalev wrote:I just cannot see anyone beating this guy.. from featherweight to Lightweight... He will just clean up and beat everyone. he's unbelievably talented.

His resume by the end of his career will be incredible, just like it was in the amateurs.

NO! I know you're putting him here because he has white skin but I will disagree whether he had white skin or not. None of us can say with all certainty who is the most skilled or talented.

Did he not lose to Salido?? Errol Spence is just as skilled as he is and hasn't lost a fight.

Why talk about skin colour? Spence is good but not in the same league as Loma, Crawford is more skilled then Spence.

Come on lads lets add a bit of sense to this, Loma hasn't looked like the next sugar ray(either) so lets just see how it pans out

Definitely! Absolute wonder! I have not been impressed by a fighter as much since Andre Ward. Golovkin, Gonzalez are great, Inoue shows certain special qualities. But Loma is just unbelievable. Only thing I wish he could fight the top level opposition. Unfortunately most of the big name fighters in his weight are with Haymon. He will find it very hard to get big fights. He will need to do what GGG does and put himself in mandatory position for titles. Still hoping Selby can be persuaded to fight him, even though he is also with Haymon.

The best fighter in the world probably wouldn't lose to Orlando Salido.

Killer Kovalev wrote:

Lackeos wrote:The best fighter in the world probably wouldn't lose to Orlando Salido.

I bet you'll be saying that in 10 years still when he's probably not lost a fight since

Hey guess what. He lost to Orlando Salido. It wasn't even that long ago.

digzee wrote:Why talk about skin colour? Spence is good but not in the same league as Loma, Crawford is more skilled then Spence.

You're quoting me and I'm not the one who started this thread nor did I make color or race an issue, you should've asked this question to that bigot/racist Killer Kovalev.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:You're quoting me and I'm not the one who started this thread nor did I make color or race an issue, you should've asked this question to that bigot/racist Killer Kovalev.

"I know you're putting him here because he has white skin". - Undefeated49-0

I think that Chocolatito, Rigo, Hitman Jr., Postol, 3G, and SOGgy are all on or above Loma's level.

Loma is what, 5-1? The most skilled and talented boxer in the world? The one that lost to 35 yr old Salido? No one disputes his greatness as an amateur, but come on...

Horse wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:You're quoting me and I'm not the one who started this thread nor did I make color or race an issue, you should've asked this question to that bigot/racist Killer Kovalev.

"I know you're putting him here because he has white skin". - Undefeated49-0

Exactly.

Tanzio wrote:I think that Chocolatito, Rigo, Hitman Jr., Postol, 3G, and SOGgy are all on or above Loma's level.

Who is hitman jr ?

Horse wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:You're quoting me and I'm not the one who started this thread nor did I make color or race an issue, you should've asked this question to that bigot/racist Killer Kovalev.

"I know you're putting him here because he has white skin". - Undefeated49-0

It's obvious you missed all the other Racial Posts and things he's made here so I will count that towards that for now or if you have already saw it then I will count it towards your need to be confrontational towards me for simply responding.

Horse, here's the other thread started by the now "Banned" Killer Kovalev:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=197100

And you're asking me why I made that remark towards him, lol.

Lomachenko and Usyk were the top 2 P4Pers in the amateurs and I expect them both to be in the pros too.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Horse wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:You're quoting me and I'm not the one who started this thread nor did I make color or race an issue, you should've asked this question to that bigot/racist Killer Kovalev.

"I know you're putting him here because he has white skin". - Undefeated49-0

It's obvious you missed all the other Racial Posts and things he's made here so I will count that towards that for now or if you have already saw it then I will count it towards your need to be confrontational towards me for simply responding.

Horse, here's the other thread started by the now "Banned" Killer Kovalev:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=197100

And you're asking me why I made that remark towards him, lol.

Oh that banned him. Great news. What a bell-end he is.

I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

One thing I will say is that during his last fight his footwork was some of the best I've ever seen.

The Russell Jr. Defeat is a huge stain on his record. It would make for a great unification and rematch.

caldo2025 wrote:I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

Am I missing something, why would a guy who is 5-1 be so highly rated.

I'm not obsessed with undefeated records, but going 5-1 doesn't suggest anything more to me that he is a very young fighter who has already been found out. Sure, he may improve, but where it stands now, why would people be getting so overexcited. I guess his amateur career is why.

caldo2025 wrote:I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

Why people are so preoccupied with Loma's loss in his SECOND professional fight against the solid rugged Mexican who was 10 pounds heavier and was allowed to throw tons of low blows and other dirty tactics ?

Loma's only real problem skill wise is his relative feather-fistedness which explains why "Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently".

The level of opposition he fights is due to very high risk, low reward issue and the fact that he is with Arum, so Haymon fighters are unavailable. Rigo is afraid to move up and face him.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:It's obvious you missed all the other Racial Posts and things he's made here so I will count that towards that for now or if you have already saw it then I will count it towards your need to be confrontational towards me for simply responding.

Horse, here's the other thread started by the now "Banned" Killer Kovalev:

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=197100

And you're asking me why I made that remark towards him, lol.

You always mention race.

Just stop going on about it.

PredatorHayds wrote:One thing I will say is that during his last fight his footwork was some of the best I've ever seen.

The Russell Jr. Defeat is a huge stain on his record. It would make for a great unification and rematch.

How was it a stain? He dominated Russell.

ikorolev wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

Why people are so preoccupied with Loma's loss in his SECOND professional fight against the solid rugged Mexican who was 10 pounds heavier and was allowed to throw tons of low blows and other dirty tactics ?

Loma's only real problem skill wise is his relative feather-fistedness which explains why "Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently".

The level of opposition he fights is due to very high risk, low reward issue and the fact that he is with Arum, so Haymon fighters are unavailable. Rigo is afraid to move up and face him.

Good post. I will say I think he does show power when he sits down on his punches, but he seems to prefer taking his time in there, preferring to open up different countering opportunities with his pitty pat flurries. It just seems like he's using these recent fights against overmatched opponents to test out new techniques he's been practicing in the gym.

ikorolev wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

Why people are so preoccupied with Loma's loss in his SECOND professional fight against the solid rugged Mexican who was 10 pounds heavier and was allowed to throw tons of low blows and other dirty tactics ?

Loma's only real problem skill wise is his relative feather-fistedness which explains why "Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently".

The level of opposition he fights is due to very high risk, low reward issue and the fact that he is with Arum, so Haymon fighters are unavailable. Rigo is afraid to move up and face him.

At first, I was impressed that we finally have a blue chip prospect that wants to fight the best right out of the gate. I think that it was scandalous how quickly he was able to land two title fights though at the same time. But when he grabbed his first world title on the second attempt, I thought that he would continue to want to accumulate belts and fight the toughest available. Instead, the 3 fights since gaining the belt have been against underwhelming opposition. And now, he deserves to be criticized. What was it all about then?

I'm very interested to see who he picks for the next fight. If it's not a huge step up in quality then he's just another top tier boxer biding his time and boring me.

King Carlos wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:One thing I will say is that during his last fight his footwork was some of the best I've ever seen.

The Russell Jr. Defeat is a huge stain on his record. It would make for a great unification and rematch.

How was it a stain? He dominated Russell.

Ignore me. Meant to say Salido.
A Russell Jr rematch would make no sense and a Salido rematch won't happen because he's moved up.
I've obviously had too many coronas over Xmas.

caldo2025 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:I think that Loma is a heck of a talent and I think that he will end up leaving his mark on the sport BUT I think he's an inconsistent fighter so far in his young professional career AND he somehow avoids criticism for this. What he did against Gary Russell Jr was incredible and one of the best performances I've seen in a long time. But let's not forget what Salido did to him the fight before. Let's also not forget how Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently. Each of those last three fights were complete mismatched showcase fights where he let some mediocre fighters stick around way too long.

GGG gets a hundred times more criticism for his resume but Lomachenko just keeps moving up P4P lists while avoiding brass competition. GGG's undefeated with 21 KO's in a row and trying to fight the best willing. Where's the criticism for Lomachenko?

Why people are so preoccupied with Loma's loss in his SECOND professional fight against the solid rugged Mexican who was 10 pounds heavier and was allowed to throw tons of low blows and other dirty tactics ?

Loma's only real problem skill wise is his relative feather-fistedness which explains why "Vasyl couldn't get Piriyapinyo out of there or how long it took him to stop Koasicha and Rodriguez recently".

The level of opposition he fights is due to very high risk, low reward issue and the fact that he is with Arum, so Haymon fighters are unavailable. Rigo is afraid to move up and face him.

At first, I was impressed that we finally have a blue chip prospect that wants to fight the best right out of the gate. I think that it was scandalous how quickly he was able to land two title fights though at the same time. But when he grabbed his first world title on the second attempt, I thought that he would continue to want to accumulate belts and fight the toughest available. Instead, the 3 fights since gaining the belt have been against underwhelming opposition. And now, he deserves to be criticized. What was it all about then?

I'm very interested to see who he picks for the next fight. If it's not a huge step up in quality then he's just another top tier boxer biding his time and boring me.

You seem to be under the impression that who a fighter fights is entirely up to him. Loma has been consistently calling out the big names, and even agreed to Rigondeaux's demands before Rigo went back on his word. He's not the one avoiding anybody. Rigo wants nothing to do with him and Walters has moved up to 130 already. Loma is unfortunately gonna stay at Featherweight until he realizes the remaining big fights probably aren't going to happen due to management disputes. That's why he's been fighting push-overs this year. He hasn't been able to get anything else. Unless he gets a fight with Selby soon, he'll make the move up to 130 and eventually 135.

I agree that this past year or so has largely been a waste for him.