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Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 05:39
by scorpio83
There were some great fighters who were great brawlers, but they lack powerful punches. For example, Fighting Harada was a great brawler, but he didn't have a lot of knockout wins. He scored 22 out of 55 wins by way of knockouts. Another example were "The Raging Bull" Jake La Motta and Gene Fullmer were great brawlers, but they didn't score a lot of knockout wins as La Motta scored 30 knockouts while Fullmer scored 24 knockouts. Can anyone find another example of good or great brawlers, who didn't have a heavy punch?
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 06:26
by stevedoc
Harry greb has to be the first choice I can't remember his exact ko% but it was under 20%
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 08:28
by cfang
The classic choice here is Vito Antuofermo
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 09:17
by scartissue
Paddy DeMarco - this dude engaged in 104 brawls and only stopped 8 opponents.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 11:39
by scorpio83
stevedoc wrote:Harry greb has to be the first choice I can't remember his exact ko% but it was under 20%
You're right Steve. Greb scored 16% of his knockout ratios without a no decision win despite scoring 48 knockouts win during his career.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 13:21
by elmersalsa
The greats Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan come to mind
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 13:21
by Counter-puncher
Basilio?
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 16:34
by Bodyshot3
Plenty of the smaller guys of yesteryear spring to mind......
Little Troy Dorsey was like a swarm of angry bees and a particular favourite, loved watching him fight.
Paul Ingle actually stopped plenty of folk but it was his remorseless pace, bravery and aggression that tended to get at people late.
Wayne McCullough perhaps the same as well; not a slappy puncher by any means but he won fights with the sheer volume of shots he was able to unleash and the ball-breaking pace he fought at. He was also a very, very hard wee guy.
I loved Wayne's fight with Naz who was kind is his 'I rule the world' pomp at that point; the scorecards were not kind to Wayne and featherweight was not his best weight either.... but he made Naz fight for 12 hard rounds and just kept on coming at a guy who hadn't been forced to go the distance for umpteen fights.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 22:17
by yancey
elmersalsa wrote:The greats Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan come to mind
delete.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 22:18
by yancey
yancey wrote:elmersalsa wrote:The greats Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan come to mind
It has been a long time since I watched a Griffith fight, but I don't recall him as being a classic brawler.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 23:14
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- Mr. Field was 25-0, 21 KO going into the Foreman fight with solid skills.
Post Foreman he dropped off the charts as his 18-10-2, 8 KO record proves, little more than a brawler with no power who shamelessly hung on a decade past any relevency.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 11 Jan 2016, 12:47
by elmersalsa
yancey wrote:yancey wrote:elmersalsa wrote:The greats Emile Griffith and Kid Gavilan come to mind
It has been a long time since I watched a Griffith fight, but I don't recall him as being a classic brawler.
The great Emile Griffith was a versatile boxer. He could slug it out with the very best or box. He didn't had that punching power.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 10:52
by IKSRTFO
Jake Lamotta
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 13:37
by SaadOffTheDeck
LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 13:45
by stevedoc
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
surely if greb could punch he'd of stopped more fighters ! why go 20 rounds if you can get them out of there earlier
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 14:03
by SaadOffTheDeck
stevedoc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
surely if greb could punch he'd of stopped more fighters ! why go 20 rounds if you can get them out of there earlier
His competition level was off the charts, by all accounts he could have stopped Rosenbloom but toyed with him instead. He also fought much of his career with one eye. Pernell Whitaker could punch too.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 14:09
by stevedoc
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:stevedoc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
surely if greb could punch he'd of stopped more fighters ! why go 20 rounds if you can get them out of there earlier
His competition level was off the charts, by all accounts he could have stopped Rosenbloom but toyed with him instead. He also fought much of his career with one eye. Pernell Whitaker could punch too.
greb also fought many many fighters who had under 10 fights over 70 of them , surely he should of stopped them if he could of
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 14:30
by SaadOffTheDeck
stevedoc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:stevedoc wrote:
surely if greb could punch he'd of stopped more fighters ! why go 20 rounds if you can get them out of there earlier
His competition level was off the charts, by all accounts he could have stopped Rosenbloom but toyed with him instead. He also fought much of his career with one eye. Pernell Whitaker could punch too.
greb also fought many many fighters who had under 10 fights over 70 of them , surely he should of stopped them if he could of
More often than not, that just means there aren't stringent records on those fighters. Like pascual perez didn't fight 20 guys making their pro debut.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 14:49
by Tuan_Jim
stevedoc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:stevedoc wrote:
surely if greb could punch he'd of stopped more fighters ! why go 20 rounds if you can get them out of there earlier
His competition level was off the charts, by all accounts he could have stopped Rosenbloom but toyed with him instead. He also fought much of his career with one eye. Pernell Whitaker could punch too.
greb also fought many many fighters who had under 10 fights over 70 of them , surely he should of stopped them if he could of
Steve you surely know Boxrec's records from that period are hopelessly incomplete?
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 15:16
by stevedoc
Tuan_Jim wrote:stevedoc wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
His competition level was off the charts, by all accounts he could have stopped Rosenbloom but toyed with him instead. He also fought much of his career with one eye. Pernell Whitaker could punch too.
greb also fought many many fighters who had under 10 fights over 70 of them , surely he should of stopped them if he could of
Steve you surely know Boxrec's records from that period are hopelessly incomplete?
i don't doubt it but i still think that a aggressive fighter like greb would of had more stoppages if he was a puncher , i'm not trying to down play grebs standing in boxing just i don't think he was a banger ,no doubt strong as a ox just not a puncher
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 15:43
by Old bones Ian
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 16:24
by SaadOffTheDeck
stevedoc wrote:Tuan_Jim wrote:stevedoc wrote:
greb also fought many many fighters who had under 10 fights over 70 of them , surely he should of stopped them if he could of
Steve you surely know Boxrec's records from that period are hopelessly incomplete?
i don't doubt it but i still think that a aggressive fighter like greb would of had more stoppages if he was a puncher , i'm not trying to down play grebs standing in boxing just i don't think he was a banger ,no doubt strong as a ox just not a puncher
He obviously wasn't a knock out artist, that doesn't mean he couldn't punch.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 18:28
by cfang
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 13:45
by scorpio83
cfang wrote: SaadOffTheDeck wrote:LaMotta, Griffith, Greb and Fullmer could all punch. KO% is highly misleading, Pep could punch too. You can't just look at a record and decide someone has no power. Jake decked Robinson.
You're right. I was wrong and forgot about that and yes, the guys you mentioned could brawl and punch. Don't let the KO% fool you. For Emile Griffith, he could punch, but after the tragically from the rubber match with Benny "Kid" Paret, Griffith was holding back his knockout blow because he was afraid that he would kill another fighter in the ring. Like Saad said, KO% is highly misleading.
Re: Great Brawlers who lack power punch
Posted: 16 Jan 2016, 16:21
by Rexob
Troy Dorsey.