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His scrap with doug dewitt is one of my favourite fights...

He sure had slumped/been found out by that time

But had a heck of a hype early on.

Eating between fights ruined his career
How would a peak hilton ,aided by the more accomodating weigh in schedules today,do at 154 lbs?

Not the eating but the drinking that mostly ruined his carreer. His winning against Drayton was a top notch performance. The Dewitt fight was a slugfest but he was already finished by then. In his prime, very good power to the body and a good chin as well. Prime Matthew @ 154 is a better fighter to me than Lemieux today @ 160.

The real gem in the Hilton family was Dave, much more comlete than any of his brothers, but he wasted his prime years and by the time he came back to win a Canadian and then WBC 168 lbs belt, he was only a shadow of his self in the mid 80$.

the Hines fight was a cracker, Hines just had too much skill and heart for Hilton that night

Enjoyed watching nearly every fight the Hilton brothers were involved in to be honest....exciting was mostly their default setting.
Not sure I would want to live on their street though; some of them were very bad boys who kept the cops busy

Boxing Monthly looked at them a couple of years ago - a really top article - and it does seem as if Don King's influence resulted in some unhappy times and perhaps not as much as success coming their way. It really seems as if you did not need to be an Afro-American heavyweight to get jerked around by DK.

I really hope Matthew, Alex and Davey have managed to hold onto at least some of their hard earned money.

Bodyshot3 wrote:Enjoyed watching nearly every fight the Hilton brothers were involved in to be honest....exciting was mostly their default setting.
Not sure I would want to live on their street though; some of them were very bad boys who kept the cops busy

Boxing Monthly looked at them a couple of years ago - a really top article - and it does seem as if Don King's influence resulted in some unhappy times and perhaps not as much as success coming their way. It really seems as if you did not need to be an Afro-American heavyweight to get jerked around by DK.

I really hope Matthew, Alex and Davey have managed to hold onto at least some of their hard earned money.

Er you are aware davey hilton sexually abused his own daughters according to a canadian court conviction and did many years in jail and was atripped of his sm title?

Er you are aware davey hilton sexually abused his own daughters according to a canadian court conviction and did many years in jail and was atripped of his sm title?

Clearly not, otherwise I would never knowingly have made the above comment.
But in my defence I stated that they were never saints and caused plenty of grief...and that seems to have now gone to an even worse level.

No worries mate, fair dinkum you didnt know.it was what got him stripped of his wbc title which hed won 20 years after turning pro.....he got sent down to prison but came back in 2007 had a few fights

Judah Ben Fur wrote:His scrap with doug dewitt is one of my favourite fights...

He sure had slumped/been found out by that time

But had a heck of a hype early on.

Eating between fights ruined his career
How would a peak hilton ,aided by the more accomodating weigh in schedules today,do at 154 lbs?

I had end result vs Doug DeWitt figured. How can you insult him saying "got found out?" Hilton WELL SHOT at that stage. He was near the top lb4lb when he was active. I once fought on same card with Davey. June/ '89.

^ ^ the comments about Davey Hilton..you know..it isn't our JOB to "punish the man TWICE!" Let him gain his forgiveness OR conviction from GOD!

No one is "punishing him twice" i merely pointed out the facts as above. Firstly because one poster wasnt aware of why hiltons career ended abruptly. Secondly I said " according to a canadian court" he was convicted,thats politely put and being pretty generous to hilton as make no mistake the evidence of his daughters was harrowing.and this is as sick and evil a crime as anyone can think of.

Yet pls understand no one is suggesting he cant be forgiven by god and his daughters.god is all forgiving .im aware he has remarried and has children in his new marriage and is making a fresh start.

Yes there musnt be a witchunt on these pages .thats not fair.he must be allowed to move on if he has repented had offender treatment and apologised to his daughters and family and god. god is all forgiving and man can change and repent.so lets stick to talking about matthew hilton

ImranSarwar wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:His scrap with doug dewitt is one of my favourite fights...

He sure had slumped/been found out by that time

But had a heck of a hype early on.

Eating between fights ruined his career
How would a peak hilton ,aided by the more accomodating weigh in schedules today,do at 154 lbs?

I had end result vs Doug DeWitt figured. How can you insult him saying "got found out?" Hilton WELL SHOT at that stage. He was near the top lb4lb when he was active. I once fought on same card with Davey. June/ '89.

Respectfully you have misunderstood me.

Reference "insults"....i offered an opinion not an insult.......im sorry my saying hilton " was found out at that stage " was insulting to you but you will have to expand on why.....imo hilton wasnt physically shot at all , he was barely 24 and had lost 1 fight... a not clear but closeish points loss ....not some honeyghan-starling type mauling and the loss to hines was indicative of poor habits in blowing up in weight ,waning motivation, personal issues between fights rather than being physically shot.....imo shot is the benitez ,hilton crushed.....not hilton 90.hilton was looking v good in this dewitt fight until he had his eye get damaged in round 3

Nevertheless u may be able to convince me i am wrong as it seems you were in close real proximity to the hiltons as a fighter on a boxing card

Your assertion that hilton was near the top lbl4lb at any stage in his career is wrong imho he was nowhere near that level in a very strong era .and who would rate him "near the top" and based on what ? Beating a,parkinsons ravaged benitez,a shot antuofermo and a 35 year old drayton? He was an exciting talented young gun who had a good career he can be proud of a very exciting career but not p4p near the top at any time. But a world champ and how many people can say that

Netherless i am impressed you were a pro boxer and would be very interested in hearing more about your career

He Mathew Hilton use to uncoil his body on the inside like a snake so he could position himself to unleash his devastating body punch's whoever taught him his body punching was a master

Judah Ben Fur wrote: Yes there musnt be a witchunt on these pages .thats not fair.he must be allowed to move on if he has repented had offender treatment and apologised to his daughters and family and god. god is all forgiving and man can change and repent.

He didn't take treatment and he never apologized, he never admitted any wrongdoing. The reason why he only had one fight after his release was that he was charged with assault and uttering death threats against his girlfriend, the man is scum. He was the best boxer of the Hiltons but the worst human being.

hhaehre wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote: Yes there musnt be a witchunt on these pages .thats not fair.he must be allowed to move on if he has repented had offender treatment and apologised to his daughters and family and god. god is all forgiving and man can change and repent.

He didn't take treatment and he never apologized, he never admitted any wrongdoing. The reason why he only had one fight after his release was that he was charged with assault and uttering death threats against his girlfriend, the man is scum. He was the best boxer of the Hiltons but the worst human being.

I think the Hiltons were Canada's answer to the Ayala family.

Matthew was a very exciting fighter to watch and for his win over Drayton was in fantastic condition.

Judah Ben Fur wrote:

ImranSarwar wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote:His scrap with doug dewitt is one of my favourite fights...

He sure had slumped/been found out by that time

But had a heck of a hype early on.

Eating between fights ruined his career
How would a peak hilton ,aided by the more accomodating weigh in schedules today,do at 154 lbs?

I had end result vs Doug DeWitt figured. How can you insult him saying "got found out?" Hilton WELL SHOT at that stage. He was near the top lb4lb when he was active. I once fought on same card with Davey. June/ '89.

Respectfully you have misunderstood me.

Reference "insults"....i offered an opinion not an insult.......im sorry my saying hilton " was found out at that stage " was insulting to you but you will have to expand on why.....imo hilton wasnt physically shot at all , he was barely 24 and had lost 1 fight... a not clear but closeish points loss ....not some honeyghan-starling type mauling and the loss to hines was indicative of poor habits in blowing up in weight ,waning motivation, personal issues between fights rather than being physically shot.....imo shot is the benitez ,hilton crushed.....not hilton 90.hilton was looking v good in this dewitt fight until he had his eye get damaged in round 3

Nevertheless u may be able to convince me i am wrong as it seems you were in close real proximity to the hiltons as a fighter on a boxing card

Your assertion that hilton was near the top lbl4lb at any stage in his career is wrong imho he was nowhere near that level in a very strong era .and who would rate him "near the top" and based on what ? Beating a,parkinsons ravaged benitez,a shot antuofermo and a 35 year old drayton? He was an exciting talented young gun who had a good career he can be proud of a very exciting career but not p4p near the top at any time. But a world champ and how many people can say that

Netherless i am impressed you were a pro boxer and would be very interested in hearing more about your career

Never see this post until now. "Well thanks there!" O.K., I'll say what I will here from memory. Matthew is reputed to of been 127-0 as amateur. Here in New England he had a "nice" (Ring) reputation. I was in sight of Matthew one time but I never actually met him. At his height, was before the LB4LB spread came up as such MAINSTAY. But, Matthew was one of the Boys, at least IN THESE PARTS...who got the notice. "Maybe" it was my perception. Maybe!
Vs Doug DeWitt I remember that as coming AFTER MH TITLE REIGN. I'll go & check the record after I leave here.
MH end career: he draws 10 vs Kevin Daigle. I fought Kevin Daigle in New England Golden Gloves of 1983 1/2 finals of 156lb. cls. I won a close decision.
Davey told me Matthew was 127-0 and that he was 126-1 or something. Real "fabulous numbers". They have quite the reputations. I'll look and get back here. By the way.. Pro-am I have 25(0/11)-27(3/3)-1 verified. 156lbs though I started in the Service in Europe at 139lbs. When I moved up to 147 got immediately "forced" to 156 and I stayed there. Always am a natural 147.
On the stats I show.. the "stops" are *(KO's/Rsc/ret pro designate 1st; Rsc/ret)
-FOUR (4) X I got "decked" as amateur. SIX (6) X I got "decked" as pro. Haven't ever taken "ten count". Actually, the pro I went into it sm then: m m sm jm m lh m and last five were four m one sm. EA. of my sm opp come to "top-4" rating world [WBC WBA IBF WBO]. I'm '60' next b'day.

Yeah! Matthew was like Sean O'Grady, "burned out early". Robert Hines was an UNEXPECTED LOSS. Matthew beat a 9-0-0 fighter the push before the Buster Drayton fight, (won title: June 27, 1987).
Oh yeah Benitez well SHOT! Antuofermo must of been TOO. Nino Gonzalez very "nice win" before Benitez and Antuofermo. He was 29-5-1 then (remember he stayed distance vs Duran after Duran-Leonard II). Four matches prior to Antuofermo and five before Benitez he beat someone 20-0-0. MH 1st defense of title vs a 23-0-0; 2Nd vs a 23-1-0. Matthew "all done" prior to his 28Th b'day.

Judah Ben Fur wrote:No one is "punishing him twice" i merely pointed out the facts as above. Firstly because one poster wasnt aware of why hiltons career ended abruptly. Secondly I said " according to a canadian court" he was convicted,thats politely put and being pretty generous to hilton as make no mistake the evidence of his daughters was harrowing.and this is as sick and evil a crime as anyone can think of.

Yet pls understand no one is suggesting he cant be forgiven by god and his daughters.god is all forgiving .im aware he has remarried and has children in his new marriage and is making a fresh start.

Yes there musnt be a witchunt on these pages .thats not fair.he must be allowed to move on if he has repented had offender treatment and apologised to his daughters and family and god. god is all forgiving and man can change and repent.so lets stick to talking about matthew hilton

That is well put!

hhaehre wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote: Yes there musnt be a witchunt on these pages .thats not fair.he must be allowed to move on if he has repented had offender treatment and apologised to his daughters and family and god. god is all forgiving and man can change and repent.

He didn't take treatment and he never apologized, he never admitted any wrongdoing. The reason why he only had one fight after his release was that he was charged with assault and uttering death threats against his girlfriend, the man is scum. He was the best boxer of the Hiltons but the worst human being.

Thanks for pointing this additional information out. I wasnt aware of things post the court case .i think u sum it up well in closing

Alex, the less talented brother lives 5 minutes away from my place. Twice canadian champ and nabf champ. Lives with is mom and broke.

One thing I will say about them. When not drunk, they had respect for their fan basis.

They were brought up getting beaten up by their sick dad, and while it doesn't excuse anything, it explains some.

And yes, that dig to the body by Matthew was something nice, it's just a shame that around that time davey didnt't capitalize on the tools he was given. By 1986, he could have been a threat to Srl and hagler. Ten times the fighter Matthew was. A born and bred boxer. Nicest prospect the Quebec province ever had.

Jaywheel wrote:Alex, the less talented brother lives 5 minutes away from my place. Twice canadian champ and nabf champ. Lives with is mom and broke.

One thing I will say about them. When not drunk, they had respect for their fan basis.

They were brought up getting beaten up by their sick dad, and while it doesn't excuse anything, it explains some.

And yes, that dig to the body by Matthew was something nice, it's just a shame that around that time davey didnt't capitalize on the tools he was given. By 1986, he could have been a threat to Srl and hagler. Ten times the fighter Matthew was. A born and bred boxer. Nicest prospect the Quebec province ever had.

Maybe their is something I don't know here. 3/25/84 Davey's first significant win (KO-1 Mario Cusson who is 27-1-2 coming in it's rematch now..). REAL FIRST MOVE.
Then..he takes two more in 84. 85 Davey is 3-0 & talent faced low/medium at best. Inactive 2 1/2 years next & return made January '88. Davey 2Nd fight back he won MD-10 "good product", Ron Amundsen; March/89 WUD-
10 Steve Little. The same Steve Little who rose to championship, later.
6/27/89 same card I fought on. Meets the 8-2 Richard Gagnon. Inactive for 16 mo. followed. Then Davey lost for the first time. SD-10 vs 5-0-0 " hot" Alain Bonnamie. Out 12 1/2 months after.
In 2000 he won the world title. sm title boxing as a m. Topsey/turvsey career until then.
41(26)-2(0)-2 whole career.
Hagler was at Mugabi in March/85. Next match was 87 loss of title vs SRL.
You must be talking the "potential". YES....the " potential" always + one day IS THERE!
Don't see the real acomplishments to warrant contender status at that level really. You can bring news articles from that time line? Davey a cool cat. I'm sure repented past that imprisoned him but, we talking the boxing. In the LIVE.... Matthew had the bigger reputation!

Hagler beat Mugabi in March '86, he faced Hearns in '85 - he was out for just over a year to face Leonard in April '87.

palooka wrote:Hagler beat Mugabi in March '86, he faced Hearns in '85 - he was out for just over a year to face Leonard in April '87.

Oh\excuse me. Your right. '86 should read. All the other facts are accurate. Only was pointing out the line for statement on Davey possibly boxing Hagler or Leonard.

Whoever allowed Hilton to butcher a clearly shot Wilfredo Benitez, should have been themselves shot

ImranSarwar wrote:

palooka wrote:Hagler beat Mugabi in March '86, he faced Hearns in '85 - he was out for just over a year to face Leonard in April '87.

Oh\excuse me. Your right. '86 should read. All the other facts are accurate. Only was pointing out the line for statement on Davey possibly boxing Hagler or Leonard.

I wasn't trying g to be a dick, sorry if I came across that way.

palooka wrote:

ImranSarwar wrote:

palooka wrote:Hagler beat Mugabi in March '86, he faced Hearns in '85 - he was out for just over a year to face Leonard in April '87.

Oh\excuse me. Your right. '86 should read. All the other facts are accurate. Only was pointing out the line for statement on Davey possibly boxing Hagler or Leonard.

I wasn't trying g to be a dick, sorry if I came across that way.

Palooka, Ha Ha! "Thanks"! Nice reply! : ) BE GOOD! LOOK FORWARD TO READING YOUR STUFF!