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Povetkin looks so small between them!

Wow povetkin looks like a midget ...

Boxing needs a superheavyweight division.

Hughie is only 10cm taller, but he's more in front, Tyson just got very very tall arms and legs, but when they sit next to each other you would probably barely see the difference.

asdfjkl wrote:Hughie is only 10cm taller, but he's more in front, Tyson just got very very tall arms and legs, but when they sit next to each other you would probably barely see the difference.

The photo is misleading. Hughie Fury is 4 inches taller than Povetkin but they are about the same weight. Going by their last fight Tyson Fury is 19 1/4 pounds heavier than Povetkin.

But boxing still needs a superheavyweight division.

x2x wrote:Boxing needs a superheavyweight division.

No. Maybe a super cruiserweight division, but never a super heavyweight division.

100% what Horse said.

Cruiserweight at 185lb, Super Cruiser at 200lb would make sense.

Adding a super heavyweight division would dilute and destroy the division, weakening boxing. The fact that the 'midget' in the middle would be a heavy favorite over Hughie and only a narrow underdog against Tyson suggests that smaller heavyweights aren't as disadvantaged as some might believe.

Horse wrote:

x2x wrote:Boxing needs a superheavyweight division.

No. Maybe a super cruiserweight division, but never a super heavyweight division.

Boxing needs not only a superheavyweight div. but a reorganization of all the weight divisions. The most ridiculous thing about boxing, aside from its blatant corruption, is the nonsensical weight divisions. Not even addressing all the phony light weight classes, super this n that's, seperated by 3 whole pounds, you have the light heavyweight div. which has been gutted and now encompasses a mere seven pounds. Then right above it cruiserweight and that encompasses 25 pounds, and that means that a man who weighs 176 is in the same weight class a man who weighs 200. And then right above that is heavyweight where the sky's the limit and it essentially puts any man who weighs just over 200 at a severe disadvantage if not barring him from boxing entirely. Povetkin looks little in the photo but he fights around 230; Fury about 250 to 260. Where does that leave a guy who weighs 201 or 205 or so?

Somebody who weighs just over 200 lbs would obviously have to choose between shedding a few pounds to make cruiserweight or taking his chances with the big boys.
Holyfield, Haye and Cunningham chose the latter. despite the varying degrees of success between the three of them, they were all able to hold their own (for the most part) against naturally bigger men.

x2x wrote:

Horse wrote:

x2x wrote:Boxing needs a superheavyweight division.

No. Maybe a super cruiserweight division, but never a super heavyweight division.

Boxing needs not only a superheavyweight div. but a reorganization of all the weight divisions. The most ridiculous thing about boxing, aside from its blatant corruption, is the nonsensical weight divisions. Not even addressing all the phony light weight classes, super this n that's, seperated by 3 whole pounds, you have the light heavyweight div. which has been gutted and now encompasses a mere seven pounds. Then right above it cruiserweight and that encompasses 25 pounds, and that means that a man who weighs 176 is in the same weight class a man who weighs 200. And then right above that is heavyweight where the sky's the limit and it essentially puts any man who weighs just over 200 at a severe disadvantage if not barring him from boxing entirely. Povetkin looks little in the photo but he fights around 230; Fury about 250 to 260. Where does that leave a guy who weighs 201 or 205 or so?

3 pounds is a lot to the lighter weight classes, anyway I think they were mainly introduced for medical reasons so they wont be going anywhere

x2x wrote:

Povetkin looks so small between them!

Doesn't he just! Imagine being next to Povetkin.

littlepug wrote: 3 pounds is a lot to the lighter weight classes, anyway I think they were mainly introduced for medical reasons so they wont be going anywhere

Nah they were mainly introduced so they could have more "world champions" and put more asses in seats.

If 3 pounds is a lot to a 100 pound guy it's only 3% of his body weight - then 3% of the body weight of a two hundred pound guy is....six pounds! By that line of reasoning we'd have a 200 pound weight class and a 206 pound weight class! Boxing is a lot of irrational and antiquated and corrupt bullcrap.

x2x wrote:

littlepug wrote: 3 pounds is a lot to the lighter weight classes, anyway I think they were mainly introduced for medical reasons so they wont be going anywhere

Nah they were mainly introduced so they could have more "world champions" and put more asses in seats.

If 3 pounds is a lot to a 100 pound guy it's only 3% of his body weight - then 3% of the body weight of a two hundred pound guy is....six pounds! By that line of reasoning we'd have a 200 pound weight class and a 206 pound weight class! Boxing is a lot of irrational and antiquated and corrupt bullcrap.

you try getting an extra 3 pounds off say a superfly it would bloody finish him, how much do you think the average heavy could lose on top of what he normally would do ? I bet most could lose an extra 14 pounds with no ill effects

littlepug wrote: you try getting an extra 3 pounds off say a superfly it would bloody finish him, how much do you think the average heavy could lose on top of what he normally would do ? I bet most could lose an extra 14 pounds with no ill effects

I don't think Wilder, Haye, Klitschko, name them could easely lose such an amount of weight, and next to that, it's unlimited for a reason, any top 10 cruiserweight would have a problem if he's 5 pounds lighter as his top contender opponent.

asdfjkl wrote:

littlepug wrote: you try getting an extra 3 pounds off say a superfly it would bloody finish him, how much do you think the average heavy could lose on top of what he normally would do ? I bet most could lose an extra 14 pounds with no ill effects

I don't think Wilder, Haye, Klitschko, name them could easely lose such an amount of weight, and next to that, it's unlimited for a reason, any top 10 cruiserweight would have a problem if he's 5 pounds lighter as his top contender opponent.

Whatever, my point is its harder to shift the weight the smaller you are

Cruiserweight to adjust its max weight to 205lbs

Boxing needs not only a superheavyweight div.

No, it clearly doesn't, as people keep pointing out. It would be terrible for the division and terrible for the sport.

you have the light heavyweight div. which has been gutted and now encompasses a mere seven pounds. Then right above it cruiserweight and that encompasses 25 pounds, and that means that a man who weighs 176 is in the same weight class a man who weighs 200.

I agree about this - to my mind the best solution is moving cruiserweight back to 190lb, followed by the introduction of a super cruiserweight division at say 200 or 205lb. That said, a man who weighs 176lb would most likely compete in the middleweight (Chavez Jr was regularly around 180lb on fight night) or super middleweight division, so your hypothetical doesn't really make sense. One fighter who was disadvantaged by the 25lb span was Danny Green, who upon his comeback found it too difficult to make 175lb from his walking weight of around 190lb. Because of this, he organized his fights at catchweights. When he finally fought at the full cruiserweight limit, he bulked up which slowed him down and didn't help him against natural 210lb+ fighters who would dehydrate to the 200lb limit.

And then right above that is heavyweight where the sky's the limit and it essentially puts any man who weighs just over 200 at a severe disadvantage if not barring him from boxing entirely. Povetkin looks little in the photo but he fights around 230; Fury about 250 to 260. Where does that leave a guy who weighs 201 or 205 or so?

Any man who weighs just over 200lb can fight at cruiserweight if he wishes. Some can even drain to make light heavyweight. These 201lb to 205lb guys who can't make cruiser simply don't exist. If he can't make 200lb, then he probably fights at at least 215lb and is a natural heavyweight. If he can't compete with bigger heavyweights, it's because he isn't good enough, not because he's too small.

I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's funny

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.
Its so stupid I can't even conjure a proper response.

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

ha ha dont know much about boxing do you ?

keirw wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.
Its so stupid I can't even conjure a proper response.

There are 10 weight classes at 140lbs. and under.....that makes no sense.


Yet this makes sense?

http://www.nowboxing.com/wp-content/upl ... s-ruiz.jpg

keirw wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.
Its so stupid I can't even conjure a proper response.

They have like 3% or even less weightdifference in their weightclasses and like 5 belts each weightclass, is it really too much asked for you to make that like 10% and actually have a challenge because there are more contenders each belt?

Even people that are involved in boxing their entire life have never heard about a whole bunch of world champions in the lower divisions and many world champions aren't even close near the best boxers in their own weightclass, it's ridiculous.

If you're a 5ft4 dwarf yourself I can understand you're more interested, but for a normal human being it's absolutely not.

actjac wrote:

keirw wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weightclasses. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.
Its so stupid I can't even conjure a proper response.

There are 10 weight classes at 140lbs. and under.....that makes no sense.


Yet this makes sense?

http://www.nowboxing.com/wp-content/upl ... s-ruiz.jpg

Piss poor example as Ruiz was nearly 240 pounds for that fight and did OK against Valuev. Many feel both Haye and Holyfield (ex-cruisers) beat him. i

Anyway, if weight classes were to be reorganised then a bit more consistency in the jumps would make sense. The swapping between jumps of 3 and 4 pounds at the lower weight classes and the mess from light welter to light heavy with jumps of 7,7,6,8,7 makes no sense.

asdfjkl wrote:

keirw wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I actually think we should get rid of many weight classes. At this moment every dwarf is a champion of the world, sometimes even in several weightclasses. Some guys move up for 5 weightclasses in a year, for me it doesn't make sense and tbh I don't like to watch boxers either that are so small, they would probably lose a streetfight against an avarage woman.

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.
Its so stupid I can't even conjure a proper response.

They have like 3% or even less weightdifference in their weightclasses and like 5 belts each weightclass, is it really too much asked for you to make that like 10% and actually have a challenge because there are more contenders each belt?

Even people that are involved in boxing their entire life have never heard about a whole bunch of world champions in the lower divisions and many world champions aren't even close near the best boxers in their own weightclass, it's ridiculous.

If you're a 5ft4 dwarf yourself I can understand you're more interested, but for a normal human being it's absolutely not.

How can someone be a 5ft4 dwarf when by definition a dwarf is someone who is 4ft10 or under.

To complain about too many weight divisions is one thing, but to claim that fighters can jump 5 divisions in a year is ludicrous.

And you claim that the average woman on the street would beat up someone like Hekkie Budler (and possibly Roman Gonzales), which just makes you look foolish.

You clearly don't follow the lower weight classes, so I'm not sure why it bothers you so much.