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1. no big names has the balls facing rigo
2. no big names wants ggg
3. the adonis/kovalev situation
4. the whole haymon problem
5. will josh, wilder and ortiz be a drama of avoiding each other like kovalev, adonis & bertebiev?

i mean boxing would be a hundred times better when as soon as possible

wilder-ortiz
kovalev-adonis
ggg-canelo
rigo-santa cruz

would happen. which names/companys are making the most problems, that obvious elite fights that fans would love to see simply wont get made!?

in no other sport that sh(&§t exists, imagine in the nba golden state not willing to face san antonio or lebron saying "no, the cavs wont face chicago but in boxing this crap exists, always, today more than back than!

dont think its anything new, many mouthwatering matchups in all eras have failed to materialise for one reason or another, quick examples are jack johnson drawing the colour line, the fab 4 freezing out mccallum, and the 90s supermiddle brits ignoring the marquee names in the U.S

Fvck Alvarez.

Counter-puncher wrote:Fvck Alvarez.

Why??

if ever there was a poll to select more than 1 option..

the corrupt fake title organizations are toward the top of my list.
...and rigo should be dq'd for all the bending over, turning, holding, spoiling he does. he's putrid.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Fvck Alvarez.

Why??

Because, fvck Alvarez.

Years ago I would have said Don King. But its bigger than one promoter.

Too many divisions, not enough competitive matches, and too many champions. Competitive matches need to be forced, like its done in tennis.

Way too many belts. 4 major orgs is ridiculous enough, but for them to also have super, regular, interim, silver, diamond etc etc. It's a joke.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Fvck Alvarez.

Why??

He represents a number of problems in boxing.

Catchweights
Top fighters being avoided
Fighting smaller fighters / massive weight cuts

Not the biggest problems for me,' but they're problems in boxing.

The problem is bigger than Haymon, the problem is the environment that allows locusts like Haymon to breathe. But as far as your list goes, Al Haymon. He's the epitome of infestation capitalist rats exploiting the lack of structure of organisation in the sport.

Ricky_ wrote:... infestation capitalist rats exploiting the lack of structure of organisation in the sport.

The great thing about boxing, is that if you don't like the longstanding capitalist nature of pro boxing you can watch amateur boxing instead.
But to wish for a time before men like Haymon were in boxing is to wish for a time before pro boxing.

Too many titles. Too many divisions. Too many options. Huge sums of cash can overcome all three though.

Deadendgeneration wrote:Way too many belts. 4 major orgs is ridiculous enough, but for them to also have super, regular, interim, silver, diamond etc etc. It's a joke.

good answer

littlepug wrote:dont think its anything new, many mouthwatering matchups in all eras have failed to materialise for one reason or another, quick examples are jack johnson drawing the colour line, the fab 4 freezing out mccallum, and the 90s supermiddle brits ignoring the marquee names in the U.S

you are right. but just because it happened in the past, doesnt mean we fans should be okay with, with big fights not happening. i just hope that one day, things will be in a fine structure, everyting happening in a organised way and not the mafia style it is today, or always was.

Deadendgeneration wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:Fvck Alvarez.

Why??

He represents a number of problems in boxing.

Catchweights
Top fighters being avoided
Fighting smaller fighters / massive weight cuts

Not the biggest problems for me,' but they're problems in boxing.

H'es fought almost all the top fighters within his weight class, had 2 CW fights (one his fault, the other is not), the only top fighter that is being avoided which is really being done by Oscar and not Canelo is GGG.

This is just freaking stupid.

1. The multiple title situation has been long before Haymon
2. The freeze of inter promotional fights has been way before Haymon
3. The Catchweights Have been way before Haymon

Yet according to this SCIENTIFIC poll Haymon is the root of all evil.

I swear too many posters on here are total fucktards.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Why??

He represents a number of problems in boxing.

Catchweights
Top fighters being avoided
Fighting smaller fighters / massive weight cuts

Not the biggest problems for me,' but they're problems in boxing.

H'es fought almost all the top fighters within his weight class, had 2 CW fights (one his fault, the other is not), the only top fighter that is being avoided which is really being done by Oscar and not Canelo is GGG.

This will be his 5th consecutive fight at "Caneloweight". As for who's avoiding the GGG fight, if he really wanted the fight, it'd happen, it's easy to pin the blame on Oscar but Canelo said himself that it's 155 or not happening.

This Boxing model was created and designed for a simpler time, a cottage industry of sorts. It was meant to be kept small and loosely managed to allow the mob or corrupt figureheads the mobility and autonomy to do whatever they want and make the most money. To this day, it's the same exact model but on a much wider scale.

Boxing is the only "major" sport without a commissioner or a players association or union looking out for the players interests and safety. Do you think that's not by design? Without any governing body overseeing the sport entirely, the same old corruption goes on undetected and the wild wild west of boxing continues to line some pockets.

This is why i hope that Haymon succeeds and cleans this sport up from the ground level. If the PBC takes over for these other organizations of criminals, i'll be 100% satisfied.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Why??

He represents a number of problems in boxing.

Catchweights
Top fighters being avoided
Fighting smaller fighters / massive weight cuts

Not the biggest problems for me,' but they're problems in boxing.

H'es fought almost all the top fighters within his weight class, had 2 CW fights (one his fault, the other is not), the only top fighter that is being avoided which is really being done by Oscar and not Canelo is GGG.

GingerHead holds an MW belt. He hasn't fought a legit MW at all. Both of his catchweight fights are (at least partially) his team's fault, as will be his third.

Now, he is avoiding the entire MW and LMW divisions.

I understand why they are doing the Kahn fight. It is called prizefighting, after all. But, I also understand the haterbase that they are consciously building, a la FMJ.

Tony1244 wrote:Years ago I would have said Don King. But its bigger than one promoter.

Too many divisions, not enough competitive matches, and too many champions. Competitive matches need to be forced, like its done in tennis.

+1

tiny_acres wrote:This is just freaking stupid.

1. The multiple title situation has been long before Haymon
2. The freeze of inter promotional fights has been way before Haymon
3. The Catchweights Have been way before Haymon

Yet according to this SCIENTIFIC poll Haymon is the root of all evil.

I swear too many posters on here are total fucktards.

you are right and wrong

yes, the 1-3 is true

but also yes, haymon is a big problem. i have no problem with somebody making a monopol and than letting everybody fight each other, but trying to make a monopol and than not letting the best face the best, prime vs prime, than there is a big problem. caus than those mayor problem prime mayweather wont face prime pacquiao, prime adonis wont face prime kovalev happen. and thats one hell of a problem, cause there is not much worse in boxing than the best not facing the best when both are prime or near prime

Tanzio wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Deadendgeneration wrote:
He represents a number of problems in boxing.

Catchweights
Top fighters being avoided
Fighting smaller fighters / massive weight cuts

Not the biggest problems for me,' but they're problems in boxing.

H'es fought almost all the top fighters within his weight class, had 2 CW fights (one his fault, the other is not), the only top fighter that is being avoided which is really being done by Oscar and not Canelo is GGG.

GingerHead holds an MW belt. He hasn't fought a legit MW at all. Both of his catchweight fights are (at least partially) his team's fault, as will be his third.

Now, he is avoiding the entire MW and LMW divisions.

I understand why they are doing the Kahn fight. It is called prizefighting, after all. But, I also understand the haterbase that they are consciously building, a la FMJ.

to be honest. i dont have a problem with canelo. sure catchweights etc suck. but as i know, all he did was fighting the best: floyd, lara, cotto are all damn good opponents, regardless of weight etc.

the thing is this, i dont have a problem with the khan fight, khan is exciting and brings $$$. if he fights khan and than has his eye on ggg, than everything is fine to me. but if he starts being mayweathernesque and waits 1000 years for ggg to lose his prime form and canelo keeps on boxing welterweights like thurman or timmy, than i have a big problem with him.

as i see it, canelo gonne totaly destroy lightchin khan and than everybody is gonne attack him "fight ggg" and that what will happen. maybe not at middleweight and at a catchweight, hopefully not 155, but something closer to middleweight, but i truly do believe the fight will happen, ggg is simply getting a to bg name to get avoided by everybody.

at the end, in 2017-2018 nevertheless ggg should move up in weight and this will be super interresting, cause the first time he will be in the ring with guys taller and stronger than him, ggg vs degale, ramirez and abraham would be super atractions.

Deadendgeneration wrote:This will be his 5th consecutive fight at "Caneloweight". As for who's avoiding the GGG fight, if he really wanted the fight, it'd happen, it's easy to pin the blame on Oscar but Canelo said himself that it's 155 or not happening.

Man don't act like this isn't something you've heard before from Oscar, who controls who?? Do you honestly believe Canelo tells DLH what to do??

Who suggested the 90-10? If you think Canelo did and not Oscar then there's no more that needs to be said on this.

Chepppaaa wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Undefeated49-0 wrote:
H'es fought almost all the top fighters within his weight class, had 2 CW fights (one his fault, the other is not), the only top fighter that is being avoided which is really being done by Oscar and not Canelo is GGG.

GingerHead holds an MW belt. He hasn't fought a legit MW at all. Both of his catchweight fights are (at least partially) his team's fault, as will be his third.

Now, he is avoiding the entire MW and LMW divisions.

I understand why they are doing the Kahn fight. It is called prizefighting, after all. But, I also understand the haterbase that they are consciously building, a la FMJ.

to be honest. i dont have a problem with canelo. sure catchweights etc suck. but as i know, all he did was fighting the best: floyd, lara, cotto are all damn good opponents, regardless of weight etc.

the thing is this, i dont have a problem with the khan fight, khan is exciting and brings $$$. if he fights khan and than has his eye on ggg, than everything is fine to me. but if he starts being mayweathernesque and waits 1000 years for ggg to lose his prime form and canelo keeps on boxing welterweights like thurman or timmy, than i have a big problem with him.

as i see it, canelo gonne totaly destroy lightchin khan and than everybody is gonne attack him "fight ggg" and that what will happen. maybe not at middleweight and at a catchweight, hopefully not 155, but something closer to middleweight, but i truly do believe the fight will happen, ggg is simply getting a to bg name to get avoided by everybody.

at the end, in 2017-2018 nevertheless ggg should move up in weight and this will be super interresting, cause the first time he will be in the ring with guys taller and stronger than him, ggg vs degale, ramirez and abraham would be super atractions.

I agree with most of what you are saying in this post.

I really don't have too much of a problem with GingerHead. However, I understand the criticism of him when it comes to the MW belt and the close decisions (although I thought the Lara fight was the only legit close decision that could have gone either or be a draw).

Fighting Khan is an excellent business decision. After all, it is about the prize, and there is no more lucrative option.

I do think that the MW belt GingerHead holds is a joke.