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considered by many as a formidable threat?. . .Is is because he is British?. . . Other than a limited Mali Scoit and Edmund Gerber he has little to offer in wins as credentials except losing all other big fights..


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I agree with you.

Even his wins are suspect.

He was clearly losing to Malik Scott on my card when the crooked ref gave that quick count. And some of his other wins like Pala were also shady quick stoppages.

I've never rated Chisora, ever & even less so now.

Even when I was reading on forums like this that he had a chin like Oliver McCall ( ) & how good he was etc, I always thought he was not that good & the proof is there; every time he has stepped up in class, he has lost.

When there are so many belts and alphabet organizations, and the rankings are so mixed up the real top guys never fight each other. Guys that are second teir can end up getting thrown in to contention at anytime.

I don't see anyone saying he can win a world title. His wins over Helenius and an undefeated Scott are respectable enough and a win over Chisora is a very good win for a prospect. Pulev will be knocking him out soon enough anyway.

The division is weak and Chisora has a record good enough to be fairly highly ranked.

There's no great conspiracy going on.

The thing that makes Chisora interesting is that due to his losses against Haye and Vitali his level is pretty much confirmed.
With so many young up and comers in the division he creates a great opportunity for a yardstick, good name on the record and still generates good money.

He's done well to rebound from his losses, rebuild and get himself in a position for another payday.

I think he's still a legit Top 15 heavyweight. His only legitimate losses are to the current lineal heavyweight champion (Fury), arguably the best heavyweight since Lennox Lewis (Vitali) and a former belt holder and legit top 3 heavyweight (Haye).

That said, his performances of late haven't been good and he has been going up in weight, so he may well be on the slide and ripe for the picking, but at least for now he presents a good stepping stone for guys like Joshua and Parker - I don't think he'd win either fight, but I don't think he'd get blown out early either.

I don't think he is a real threat to anyone even close to world level, but on his day he can still be a handful for people at domestic/Euro level I'm sure.
He has a couple decent wins and even gave a good account of himself in most of his defeats.

actjac wrote:considered by many as a formidable threat?. . .Is is because he is British?. . . Other than a limited Mali Scoit and Edmund Gerber he has little to offer in wins as credentials except losing all other big fights..


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Trash talk. European level but unhinged, big mouth, therefore "exciting". This got him in the big fights that he although lost made him a recognizable name. His days are numbered though. If he is for real going to Bulgaria to face Pulev, that will be the end of him and not too soon either.

Tarkus wrote:

actjac wrote:considered by many as a formidable threat?. . .Is is because he is British?. . . Other than a limited Mali Scoit and Edmund Gerber he has little to offer in wins as credentials except losing all other big fights..


I used a smart phone to create this without checkng it and spell check corrected the word "continue" to "continental" in the title

Trash talk. European level but unhinged, big mouth, therefore "exciting". This got him in the big fights that he although lost made him a recognizable name. His days are numbered though. If he is for real going to Bulgaria to face Pulev, that will be the end of him and not too soon either.

I think you've nailed it.

Chisora has been, and possibly still is, a top 10 gatekeeper. He does nothing badly, but at the same time has no outstanding attributes.
If a HW has a glowering flaw Chisora generally finds it out. However Chisora tends to be found wanting when he faces genuine quality.
Tough to tell how much he's lost considering his recent opposition has all been a bit Deontay Wilder.

He beat Pala, Gerber, Malik Scott, and Kevin Johnson. He was robbed against Helenius, not that it matters, since Helenius was injured. His loss to Vitali isn't condemning at all, since Vitali is an ATG heavyweight. His losses to Fury aren't that condemning, since Fury is the best heavyweight in the world. I'd say there's absolutely no argument whatsoever that he's not a top 15 heavyweight, and it is pushing it to try to argue that he's not top 10. There's plenty of Wilder fans who would try to argue that Malik Scott is top 15, and again, Chisora beat him.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing Chisora fight Chagaev, Stiverne, Szpilka, Martin, or Glazkov.

Lackeos wrote:He beat Pala, Gerber, Malik Scott, and Kevin Johnson. He was robbed against Helenius, not that it matters, since Helenius was injured. His loss to Vitali isn't condemning at all, since Vitali is an ATG heavyweight. His losses to Fury aren't that condemning, since Fury is the best heavyweight in the world. I'd say there's absolutely no argument whatsoever that he's not a top 15 heavyweight, and it is pushing it to try to argue that he's not top 10. There's plenty of Wilder fans who would try to argue that Malik Scott is top 15, and again, Chisora beat him.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing Chisora fight Chagaev, Stiverne, Szpilka, Martin, or Glazkov.

At this point I think a motivated and fit Chisora:

Outworks Chagaev for a close points victory
The Stiverne fight depends on which Stiverne turns up - at his best he stops Chisora
Stops Szpilka late
Probably outpoints Martin (hard to make a call as I haven't seen much of Martin)
Has a drawish fight with Glazkov (knee healed) and loses a decision

Taki... wrote:Chisora has been, and possibly still is, a top 10 gatekeeper. He does nothing badly, but at the same time has no outstanding attributes.
If a HW has a glowering flaw Chisora generally finds it out. However Chisora tends to be found wanting when he faces genuine quality.
Tough to tell how much he's lost considering his recent opposition has all been a bit Deontay Wilder.

Chisora is slow, lumbering, lacks punch power, is one dimensional, and throws few punches - he does lots of things badly.

In the past he had a good chin which allowed him to walk people down, but now that seems not to be the case.

Chisora is pretty much done as anything significant.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Chisora is slow, lumbering, lacks punch power, is one dimensional, and throws few punches - he does lots of things badly.

In the past he had a good chin which allowed him to walk people down, but now that seems not to be the case.

Chisora is pretty much done as anything significant.

There is no real evidence that Chisora is finished.

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Chisora is slow, lumbering, lacks punch power, is one dimensional, and throws few punches - he does lots of things badly.

In the past he had a good chin which allowed him to walk people down, but now that seems not to be the case.

Chisora is pretty much done as anything significant.

There is no real evidence that Chisora is finished.

It's my opinion, nothing more. I don't expect him to produce anything much for the rest of his career.

jezzamundo wrote:

Lackeos wrote:He beat Pala, Gerber, Malik Scott, and Kevin Johnson. He was robbed against Helenius, not that it matters, since Helenius was injured. His loss to Vitali isn't condemning at all, since Vitali is an ATG heavyweight. His losses to Fury aren't that condemning, since Fury is the best heavyweight in the world. I'd say there's absolutely no argument whatsoever that he's not a top 15 heavyweight, and it is pushing it to try to argue that he's not top 10. There's plenty of Wilder fans who would try to argue that Malik Scott is top 15, and again, Chisora beat him.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing Chisora fight Chagaev, Stiverne, Szpilka, Martin, or Glazkov.

At this point I think a motivated and fit Chisora:

Outworks Chagaev for a close points victory
The Stiverne fight depends on which Stiverne turns up - at his best he stops Chisora
Stops Szpilka late
Probably outpoints Martin (hard to make a call as I haven't seen much of Martin)
Has a drawish fight with Glazkov (knee healed) and loses a decision

I reckon this is about right.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's my opinion, nothing more. I don't expect him to produce anything much for the rest of his career.

Did you ever think that he was any good anyway?

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's my opinion, nothing more. I don't expect him to produce anything much for the rest of his career.

Did you ever think that he was any good anyway?

No, not really. I always thought he was pretty average.

Good solid top 15 fighter. Other than Fury rematch no one's ever had an easy time against him, fight with Haye was competitive until knockout and gave good account of himself against Klitschko. Haven't seen the Helenius fight but heard he was robbed in that.

Other than Fury, I would expect him to give a tough fight against any of the other current "world" champions.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Horse wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's my opinion, nothing more. I don't expect him to produce anything much for the rest of his career.

Did you ever think that he was any good anyway?

No, not really. I always thought he was pretty average.

He's an average heavyweight in a weak HW era. He's fought everyone who would take a fight with him and he's not been scared to fight as the away fighter (Fury 1 and Helenius). He clearly lacks motivation when fighting poor opposition but considering that he's an average boxer I think he's already had a good career for a small HW.

TBEwasLangford wrote:Good solid top 15 fighter. Other than Fury rematch no one's ever had an easy time against him, fight with Haye was competitive until knockout and gave good account of himself against Klitschko. Haven't seen the Helenius fight but heard he was robbed in that.

Other than Fury, I would expect him to give a tough fight against any of the other current "world" champions.

Helenius was carrying an injury and isn't all that much cop himself.

Or, is it just laziness?

Tanzio wrote:Or, is it just laziness?

He does seem less than committed to the sport, this is true. However, I think his natural talent is fairly low also.