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Cotto, who was last seen losing a twelve round unanimous decision to Saul Alvarez on November 21st, is most likely moving down from the middleweight division. Provodnikov, who's coming off a fourth round knockout of Jesus Rodriguez in Monaco on November 7th, is searching for a significant fight.

Miguel Cotto

The word is that this potential match-up would take place at about the welterweight limit.

There has recently been talk of Cotto potentially facing Juan Manuel Marquez, but the Mexican veteran has yet to make a firm decision regarding his ring return and says he wouldn't be able to take a fight with Cotto until at least November - after having a May tuneup. There was also the issue of weight, with Marquez wanting the welterweight limit of 147 and a rehydration clause that prevents Cotto from weighing no more than 152-153-pounds on the morning of the fight.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfLf-aFfm3E

Who wins and is this a good fight at Jr. MW after a JMM CW fight with a rehydration clause for Miguel??

I would rather see Cotto v Khan, JMM v The Provoglodyte, and GingerHead v someone his own size.

That said, Cotto v The Provoglodyte at 150 or less is interesting and a nice payday for the deserving Russian. GingerHead v Khan will be entertaining no matter how long it lasts. And I wish JMM would stay retired.

Cotto is even more shameless than Canelo. Khan at least can move and box. Provo will get permanent damage by trying to outslug the much bigger and more skilled man. Cotto will not give up any weight. Most likely, the fight will be at 154.

I'm glad to see Provodnikov get his career best payday, but he'll take a hell of a lot of damage earning that payday I figure.

ikorolev wrote:Cotto is even more shameless than Canelo. Khan at least can move and box. Provo will get permanent damage by trying to outslug the much bigger and more skilled man. Cotto will not give up any weight. Most likely, the fight will be at 154.

Obviously Cotto is testing the waters for how far down he can go. He didn't even weigh 154 at Middle. If this happens, i bet he does 150 or 151 to see if he can manage welter again.

I see another Ricardo Mayorga-ish beatdown being executed by Cotto on Provo, we all know that Ruslan's defense is his offense and I don't think he possess the type of weaponry to outslug Miguel or the ring intellect to outbox him.

So this fight will come down to Provo coming forward and being picked apart to the point where eventually Miguel starts to make him backpedal while beating him to a pulp,I wouldn't be surprised that they have to stop it or that Cotto just stops him via KO.

Ruslan will bring it though but his only chance is to catch MC with something early and pray that the weight loss will be a factor in weakening Cotto, the longer the fight goes on though, the worse it gets for Provo who will be battered and swollen.

Marquez is such a bitch. This fight will be better anyway.

jockpunk wrote:Marquez is such a bitch. This fight will be better anyway.

Are you serious with that comment? ? If so, why would you say that about him?

jockpunk wrote:Marquez is such a bitch. This fight will be better anyway.

Your name befits you.

This just doesn't sit well with me.

I like Provo and I am glad his will get paid, but this is a beating I don't want to see him take.

This is even less competitive than Khan-Canelo.

At least with that fight, you know Amir will have his track shoes on...and his
Waterford crystal jaw will most likely prevent him from taking a huge beating.

But Provo is a warrior.

He won't stop coming no matter what.
And Miguel will show him absolutely no mercy, especially if Ruslan tags him early
like he does most of his opponents.

Bad matchup. In a year of them so far.

koolkc107 wrote:This just doesn't sit well with me.

I like Provo and I am glad his will get paid, but this is a beating I don't want to see him take.

This is even less competitive than Khan-Canelo.

At least with that fight, you know Amir will have his track shoes on...and his
Waterford crystal jaw will most likely prevent him from taking a huge beating.

But Provo is a warrior.

He won't stop coming no matter what.
And Miguel will show him absolutely no mercy, especially if Ruslan tags him early
like he does most of his opponents.

Bad matchup. In a year of them so far.

I understand your concern but The Provoglodyte takes huge punishment no matter who he fights. At least he will get paid well for this.

Tanzio wrote: I understand your concern but The Provoglodyte takes huge punishment no matter who he fights. At least he will get paid well for this.

One thing is to take punishment from somebody like Herrera and another thing is to take punishment from a much bigger man with good power.

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote: I understand your concern but The Provoglodyte takes huge punishment no matter who he fights. At least he will get paid well for this.

One thing is to take punishment from somebody like Herrera and another thing is to take punishment from a much bigger man with good power.

It's also another thing to make 10 times (at least) what he'd make to fight Herrera

i don't particularly want to see this fight, but if roach is talking about marquez and
provo at a 150 catch, it makes me think cotto is trying to get ranked at both welter
and 154. according to the rules, if you fight within 3lbs of a division limit in your last
fight, the abc's let you decide which division you will be ranked in. wbc is probably
pissed at cotto and won't rank him in any division, but the others would give him his
pick if he won at 150 against a name. for one belt he may pick a 147 rank and
for the other belts a 154 rank. garcia has wbc at welter and wbc 154 i think is
vacant, so cotto really screwed himself burning bridges with the WBC, but then there
is brook, bradley and thurman with other titles at 147 and liam smith with the wbo
at 154. i say he picks smith. i don't see this move as one last payday for cotto,
but for the easiest way to put himself in contention for as many 147/154 titles
as possible. like i said before, marquez of course wants to get paid, but he doesn't
do anything for payday alone. marquez's demands made sense 100%. marquez
also has won major titles at 125, 130, and 135, and was handed one at 140 so
the 147 limit has significance to him in addition to being a natural limit for him now.
yeah, provo gets hit a lot no matter who he fights, but cotto will hit him a lot more
and a lot harder than he has been hit before, and cotto will drag provo up further
in weight. if it was at the welter limit i wouldn't complain as much but there is a
reason we have weight divisions. provo is a contender at 140 because he hits hard
and has a good chin. at welter he is not a contender. dragging him above welter
to fight a contender in the next division is wrong. cotto should just go directly for
smith's wbo at 154.

sucracristo wrote:i don't particularly want to see this fight, but if roach is talking about marquez and
provo at a 150 catch, it makes me think cotto is trying to get ranked at both welter
and 154. according to the rules, if you fight within 3lbs of a division limit in your last
fight, the abc's let you decide which division you will be ranked in. wbc is probably
pissed at cotto and won't rank him in any division, but the others would give him his
pick if he won at 150 against a name. for one belt he may pick a 147 rank and
for the other belts a 154 rank. garcia has wbc at welter and wbc 154 i think is
vacant, so cotto really screwed himself burning bridges with the WBC, but then there
is brook, bradley and thurman with other titles at 147 and liam smith with the wbo
at 154. i say he picks smith. i don't see this move as one last payday for cotto,
but for the easiest way to put himself in contention for as many 147/154 titles
as possible. like i said before, marquez of course wants to get paid, but he doesn't
do anything for payday alone. marquez's demands made sense 100%. marquez
also has won major titles at 125, 130, and 135, and was handed one at 140 so
the 147 limit has significance to him in addition to being a natural limit for him now.
yeah, provo gets hit a lot no matter who he fights, but cotto will hit him a lot more
and a lot harder than he has been hit before, and cotto will drag provo up further
in weight. if it was at the welter limit i wouldn't complain as much but there is a
reason we have weight divisions. provo is a contender at 140 because he hits hard
and has a good chin. at welter he is not a contender. dragging him above welter
to fight a contender in the next division is wrong. cotto should just go directly for
smith's wbo at 154.

The Provoglodyte has been at near the welter limit for 3 of his last 6 fights. Let's all stop feeling sorry for him. He has been in with excellent boxers and hard bangers. If he wants it, and Cotto is willing to give it to him, I say go get him Provo!!

Cotto is an old 35. The Provoglodyte might wear him out. Not likely, but it is possible.

Tanzio wrote:The Provoglodyte has been at near the welter limit for 3 of his last 6 fights.

against rodriguez (mexican club fighter), castillo (41 year old former lightweight champ from over a decade ago),
and bradley. he took a vicious beating in the bradley fight and his corner threatened to stop it, but because bradley
chose to go toe to toe bradley also got caught with some hard shots. of those 6 fights you mention, 2 are losses
at 140 , the other loss to bradley. the bradley 147 and mattysse 140 losses were vicious beatings, with his corner
in both fights threatening to throw in the towel, and a 4th loss at 140 before that. like i said, if it was going to
be at 147 with fight day hydration limits, same as marquez wanted, i wouldn't complain as much, but this
is going to be at 150 day before + rehyration = 10lbs at least and provo is not even a real contender at 147.
remember gatti-gamache? provo can't defend himself well as it is and he has never been hit nearly as hard as
he would by cotto. he could get permanently injured.

sucracristo wrote:

Tanzio wrote:The Provoglodyte has been at near the welter limit for 3 of his last 6 fights.

against rodriguez (mexican club fighter), castillo (41 year old former lightweight champ from over a decade ago),
and bradley. he took a vicious beating in the bradley fight and his corner threatened to stop it, but because bradley
chose to go toe to toe bradley also got caught with some hard shots. of those 6 fights you mention, 2 are losses
at 140 , the other loss to bradley. the bradley 147 and mattysse 140 losses were vicious beatings, with his corner
in both fights threatening to throw in the towel, and a 4th loss at 140 before that. like i said, if it was going to
be at 147 with fight day hydration limits, same as marquez wanted, i wouldn't complain as much, but this
is going to be at 150 day before + rehyration = 10lbs at least and provo is not even a real contender at 147.
remember gatti-gamache? provo can't defend himself well as it is and he has never been hit nearly as hard as
he would by cotto. he could get permanently injured.

"Caught with some hard shots?" Are you fvcking kidding me in a rewrite history sort of way? Ramming Speed was all but done, repeatedly. Ramming Speed v Cotto would be ok with me. The Provoglodyte doesn't need your pity. Cotto has been beaten down by a zombie Mexican with plaster in his gloves. That is similar to The Provoglodyte. The "protect The Provoglodyte from himself" crowd is becoming annoying as hell.

So Provo took a vicious beating against Bradley, while Bradley was merely caught with some hard shots. Is that the same bout in which Bradley was staggering around at various times, took a knee to stop the punishment, and with slurred speach suggested in a post-fight interview that he was concussed? Even weeks after the fight he indicated that he was still recovering (e.g. "I'm not slurring as much") from the damage he sustained.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

jockpunk wrote:Marquez is such a bitch. This fight will be better anyway.

Are you serious with that comment? ? If so, why would you say that about him?

Because he is the sorest loser in all of boxing, ironically just ahead of cotto. Expected pac to give him all those rematches (whining everytime he didn't get the decision) but then won't do the same once he got his win (which he was juiced to the gills for).

That rehydration clause is ridiculous. He expects cotto to make 147 (a weight he hasn't fought at in years) and then not be able to re-hydrate more than a couple of pounds. I'm sorry, cotto is still the a-side here.

jockpunk wrote:Because he is the sorest loser in all of boxing, ironically just ahead of cotto. Expected pac to give him all those rematches (whining everytime he didn't get the decision) but then won't do the same once he got his win (which he was juiced to the gills for).

That rehydration clause is ridiculous. He expects cotto to make 147 (a weight he hasn't fought at in years) and then not be able to re-hydrate more than a couple of pounds. I'm sorry, cotto is still the a-side here.

Wow, I can't believe you can express such hypocrisy regarding the "juicing" issue, you claim that JMM was but wouldn't dare to say that Manny was also??

I believe he won all those fights against MP as well as many others, this is something that has been debated by many people for years and not just JMM which is why they had so many bouts because a clear cut winner was never defined until JMM knocked Manny's dome around the Moon.

I'd be careful hurling lawful accusations as to whether JMM was juicing because apparently doing so on this forum (not like any others for some reason) leaves them liable to a lawsuit for your slander.

As far as the "rehydration clause" it's no worse than what Manny did to Cotto for Miguel's title and no worse than what he did to Oscar who hadn't fought at welter in nearly 9 years and for anyone to think that DLH didn't have a "rehydration clause" then something has to be wrong with them because we all know that Oscar has always put on massive weight on fight night which is why he refused to step on HBO's Unofficial Scales on fn vs Floyd.