Miracle in the making: Danny Williams extends Mike Tyson

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Jul 2004, 12:23

I'm starting to warm to the idea of a big performance from Danny on July 30. The Londoner is very, very dangerous in 'no-win' situations. When his right shoulder went out against Mark Potter, for example, he thought "fornicate it!", relaxed, hung in there and looked for the big left uppercut.
When everyone expected him to 'pull' the right hand against Kali Meehan in his first fight back, he thought "fornicate it!", threw the right and took Meehan out in half-a-minute.
Clearly, he likes it when nothing's expected of him!
I forsee the Brit climbing up from knockdowns to tag a rusty Mike repeatedly.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 12 Jul 2004, 12:51

I don't believe the stories about Tyson turning up in great condition. Not one bit.

Whatever anyone says, in 2004 Danny Williams is a 12 round fighter while Tyson is a 3-4 round fighter at best. That has to count for something.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 12 Jul 2004, 13:04

Exactly !

Danny is good for 12 and Tyson ?... 3 !

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 12 Jul 2004, 13:38

I think he will be confident and relaxed in the build up. He's under no pressure. But when the fighters are in the ring, and Danny takes a glance at Mike, then that's when i'm worried. Many fighters have emotionally crumbled when they see Tyson across the ring, focused and ready for action...it's one of the most fearsome sights in Sport. Danny's mental state will be tested then. Also, when he feels the power for the first time....another decisive moment.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 12 Jul 2004, 13:39

Bennie you said Williams wont turn up

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Jul 2004, 13:44

REAL_DEAL wrote:Bennie you said Williams wont turn up

No, I said it wouldn't surprise me if Danny pulled out around now. But it also wouldn't surprise me if he fought better than many anticipate.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Jul 2004, 13:57

adamiw wrote:I think he will be confident and relaxed in the build up. He's under no pressure. But when the fighters are in the ring, and Danny takes a glance at Mike, then that's when i'm worried.

Yep, I still think Danny will freeze, unfortunatley.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 12 Jul 2004, 14:09

I said on a post a few weeks back when news of this fight first started to break that I think Danny can beat Tyson and I still believe this to be the case.

However, its all a matter of "ifs". If Danny can keep his jab going steady and accurately like we know he is capable of doing then he does stand a good chance of keeping tyson at bay before landing a big punch of his own. Tyson has shown he doesnt like to be dictated to in a fight, especially by guys who can keep him on the back foot (Holyfield, Lewis) and Williams has the ability to do this

Danny has been (just) the more active of the two in the preceeding last couple of years so you would expect him to be that little bit fitter for a fight, which if he fights the correct way, he could take to the latter stages. He's done more rounds throughout his career than Mike has done so he'll have no doubts about his ability to go to the latter stages.

If Tyson gets through with one of his big bombs early doors and tags Danny, maybe even puts him down, then surely we cant doubt Dannys ability to get back up from a big hit when he's been hurt (Potter, Sam).

But the biggest if by far, and its an if constantly mentioned in the same breath as Williams, is his mental strength. He may shit bricks against Tyson when the time comes, he may let his self belief fly out the window or he may begin to doubt his own ability or simply freeze. I hope he doesnt. Whatever happens in whats left of his carrer Danny will always be considered a good fighter but one who could have been better given his mental conditioning.

Lets hope for once this is a fight where everything goes for him and we can see something close to what Williams may have once been capable of doing

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 12 Jul 2004, 14:47

Williams has a history of doubting his own ability. When he sees Tyson accross the ring he'll start to get goosebumps. 30 seconds later the fight will be over.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 12 Jul 2004, 15:51

I think it could be a case of simply legging it for 3 rounds, Tyson has appeared to be that unfit over the last few years. Don't even bother throwing a punch, just leg it and he'll be puffing soon enough.

The particular fight that concerns me is the Samil Sam fight, Williams just went with a whimper and I think Tyson will do the same, pile it on and get him out of there early.

That big African lumberjack wasn't a million miles off doing it last time out and this is still Mike Tyson, for 2/3 rounds at least.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 12 Jul 2004, 16:59

I don't really want either man to win. Maybe Tyson a bit more, which probably means Williams will whoop him.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Jul 2004, 17:31

I will have a little tickle on Williams to win nearer fight time, but judging by my recent form, that will definitly put a curse on Danny's chances!!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Jul 2004, 19:54

It really is unthinkable, that Danny Williams, of Brixton, can beat Iron Mike Tyson.

But anything is possible, right?

If Danny can hold it together with a decent jab for the first two or three rounds, he might be in with the chance of a life time. Mike has a bad back, apparently......how hard is he going to train? He's probably training with three rounds in the back of his mind. Could be a big advantage for the Londoner if he survives the early fireworks.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Jul 2004, 20:16

I have always maintained that Danny has a real chance in this one (note - that is different to tipping Williams). Tyson hasn't fought in a year, is 38 and 2 of his last 3 performances have been poor. If Tyson comes in wieghing in at over 17 stone, Danny's chances have increased futher.

Tyson was exhausted hitting a punch bag (Neilson) after the 3rd there and was exhausted after 1 round vs Lewis. I think Goz tactics for Williams is apt - its not a sign of fear it would be a good boxing Brain.

I'm only 60-40 in favour of Tyson.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:16

Williams jab couldn't keep Keith Long off him so I can't see it working with Tyson. If Tyson can put the kind of pressure on Danny as he did to Lewis in the first round (who obviously has a far better jab and much better movement than Williams) then I think it will be all over.
I think Williams is really being overated.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:30

Funny, a lot of people seem to be coming around to my way of thinking.

It's not about overestimating Williams, it is about overestimating Tyson if anything. Remember, Mike has had 1 round of action since 2002 when he got ass-whupped by Lewis. He looked awful against Nielsen until he found 1 big shot to turn it around.

Williams can bang, and if he can frustrate for a couple of rounds, then he's got as good a chance as any fighter who is in proper shape has against Tyson.

I don't believe all this bull about what great shape he is in, and people I've spoken to who saw him in the gym don't believe it either. They say he looks slow and sloppy and basically like the 1 round fighter he has been for the last few years now.

Tyson has a habit of looking in shape, he's a naturally muscular guy who can pump weights and look chiselled, but he has admitted to hating roadwork and generally being in poor physical shape entering fights for years now.

Maybe Danny will unravel, but as Bennie said, he has nothing to lose.

I just hope Danny doesn't throw caution to the wind, because if he meets Mike head on in the first couple of rounds, he's a dead man.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:34

Good point Lenny but then Long was fresh and fit to fight 12 rounds. Williams just stood in front of him and let the guy wrestle away, he won't be standing in front of Tyson.

Just to make it clear to any of the clever buggers around here, I'm not picking Williams to win but I'm certainly not going to give him no chance against what is a mere shell of a once great fighter.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:37

Kilburn wrote:Good point Lenny but then Long was fresh and fit to fight 12 rounds. Williams just stood in front of him and let the guy wrestle away, he won't be standing in front of Tyson.

Just to make it clear to any of the clever buggers around here, I'm not picking Williams to win but I'm certainly not going to give him no chance against what is a mere shell of a once great fighter.

The thing with Williams is that he runs out of ideas real quick.

He certainly hits hard enough to earns Tyson's respect, but I feel he doesnt throw nearly enough punches.

I reckon Tyson will win with body shots, inside 4 rounds.

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:44

Tyson is incapable of fighting more than a couple of rounds.

Even if he hadn't pissed his talent up against a wall, he had the style of fighting that gets really old really quickly and has become what one commentator said recently " a small heavyweight with slow hands and no head movement"

That's not to say that I think Williams will stand a chance, but that is more a comment on William's weakness than Tyson's strength.

If his trainers thought he could have beaten anyone decent, they would have made the fights. The fact they have gone for Williams speaks for itself.

Tyson throughout his whole career always had trouble with fit active heavyweights who had no fear. Williams, at least ( as I said before ) is active and has a decent overhand right, the punch that any one with gumption can hit Tyson with at will. I just don't think he will get enough of them off ( Tyson has very good punch resistance ) before getting tagged himself.

Slapsie

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:46

If this was the Tyson that came over for Julius Francis I'd have no hesitation in predicting a first round win for him. In fact even that faded version would have given Lennox Lewis nightmares IMO.

But we're not going to get that. I think that Tyson, win or lose, is going to look a very sorry sight on July 30th.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 05:49

The fact that Tyson has a world class chin, does make it hard to see a Williams KO win. Lewis had to hit Tyson with everything but the kitchen sink to put him down, and both Holyfield and Douglas battered him all over the ring before they could stop him.

However, Tyson is older and slower now than he was in 2002.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 13 Jul 2004, 07:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote:However, Tyson is older and slower now than he was in 2002.

Yeah, by about 2 years

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 08:52

Smartarse.

My point is two years of activity at that age is a lot. Look how poor Lewis looked against Vitali compared to how good he looked in 2002 against Tyson, and just a little earlier against Rahman in their rematch.

Against Vitali he looked old, slow and his reflexes and balance looked almost shot.

J · Post by J » 13 Jul 2004, 08:56

but still won aaaw shuck s I misss those 4 am shoutathons

long live king len 8)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jul 2004, 09:56

Yep, I watched that one in Potters pool hall in Streatham, shouting my head of at the screen and making everyone else jump out of their skins.