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consistently used in the event?

I would definitely nominate Frazier-Ali II for this topic. Watched it last week for the first time in years.

The constant holding by Ali was way over the top. Perez should have put a stop to it. Bad, very bad.

you are not going to beat mike tyson taking off evander holyfields ear.

mimmy123 wrote:you are not going to beat mike tyson taking off evander holyfields ear.

Yep, Mike did mess that one up.

I'd say tyson demolishing Ruddock's balls in the rematch.

Pedrosas lowblowing laporte sticks in my mind.

And Wilfredo Gomez with the lowblows and elbows against pintor

Lord, if this were on Current Scenes Freedom/Tunney would have already hyperventilated over Ward v Kessler or Ward vs somebody

Lots of examples of wrestling involving Klitschko, such as the Povetkin fight. Ali's mauling was bad in several fights in his last four-five years. Elmersalsa will disagree, but Pedroza's attempts to invert the ballsacks of LaPorte and twice vs Lockridge were a sight to see

Duran stealing the lightweight title by low blowing Buchanan all the way back to Scotland.

Maybe not tainted, but called into question perhaps. Aaron Pryor and The Black bottle in the 1st fight with Arguello comes to mind.

The Infamous Luis Resto vs Billy Collins Jr. fight where Resto fought with plaster or paris on his gloves.

Any significant win in Antonio Margarito's career has to be called into question due to his getting caught prior to the Shane Mosley fight.

And a tactic that many fighters get away with in countries with less than attentive commissions, or outright corrupt ones. Shaved Gloves. If you don't know what that is...here is an example

Salido vs Lomachenko
Any time a fighter has come in over the limit? (Either to win or to be punished with "big gloves")

Hatton-Tszyu is a great example. If that fight was held anywhere else in the world and Ricky had fought like that then he would have been disqualified.

Andrew Golota v Riddick Bowe 1 & 2.

Golota beat the brown stuff out of Bowe twice, but still somehow felt the need to lowblow Bowe to death, thus meaning Bowe escaped with improbable victories in both fights.

Glenn Catley vs Dingaan Thobela.
Thobela, had plaster of Paris under his gloves supposedly!

dberry wrote:Hatton-Tszyu is a great example. If that fight was held anywhere else in the world and Ricky had fought like that then he would have been disqualified.

I don't know if he would've been DQ'd, but he definitely would've lost some points.

Syntax Error wrote:Andrew Golota v Riddick Bowe 1 & 2.

Golota beat the brown stuff out of Bowe twice, but still somehow felt the need to lowblow Bowe to death, thus meaning Bowe escaped with improbable victories in both fights.

Yep one of the stupidest ways I've ever seen a fighter blow 2 sure-fire wins, which would've defined his career....and really they define his career anyway, but not in the way fighters hope for.

yancey wrote:consistently used in the event?

I would definitely nominate Frazier-Ali II for this topic. Watched it last week for the first time in years.

The constant holding by Ali was way over the top. Perez should have put a stop to it. Bad, very bad.

Yep the only way to beat Frazier was to be "Unruly".....I say "Unruly" because it's a rule....not a law....no one gets arrested.


So you say Ali was acting unruly when he was holding, and of Course Foreman was pushing all the time pushing.

That's probably why Ali didn't try to "bum rush" Foreman.

To beat Joe, you had to be unruly.


But wait.....it's against the rules to have a two minute round, or for a ref to call a halt to the hitting.


So it sorta works both ways I guess.

What fight was it where the boxers mother jumped in the ring and hit the other boxers on the head with her shoe? does that count?

Corrales-Castillo. Fantastic fight with a bullshit ending. Mouth piece spitting by Corrales saved him from getting Koed and I always suspected something Panama Lewis-esque from Corrales corner, seeing how he came back after his corner "wathered his mouthpiece" to finish castillo.

i share the view that wlad's extensive
use of holding as a defensive tactic was
instrumental for his long run at the top.

BoxBuzz wrote:

yancey wrote:consistently used in the event?

I would definitely nominate Frazier-Ali II for this topic. Watched it last week for the first time in years.

The constant holding by Ali was way over the top. Perez should have put a stop to it. Bad, very bad.

Yep the only way to beat Frazier was to be "Unruly".....I say "Unruly" because it's a rule....not a law....no one gets arrested.


So you say Ali was acting unruly when he was holding, and of Course Foreman was pushing all the time pushing.

That's probably why Ali didn't try to "bum rush" Foreman.

To beat Joe, you had to be unruly.


But wait.....it's against the rules to have a two minute round, or for a ref to call a halt to the hitting.


So it sorta works both ways I guess.

One man's "unruly" is another man's CHEATING, I guess.

And you have a mighty weak case as to this "works both ways" business when you have a brief episode in the second round in which Frazier was briefly staggered a tiny bit and the round shortened a bit through a referee screw up.

I know and you know that Ali was not ending that fight right then and there with one brief moment against the slow starting Joe. What, they had 41 rounds of fighting and Ali never ever sniffed knocking Frazier down.

Compare that to 12 rounds of constant grabbing and holding from Ali. It was shameful that Ali didn't fight like a man and felt he needed to do that kind of stuff in order to win.

But he did.

And you, my friend, must have the courage to change.

Sir, I do muster the courage to attempt to change you, and I strive mightily in the noble endeavor, but you are quite stubborn.

I trust that through time, and a long term gentle, yet persistent exposure to the facts, change WILL eventually dawn upon you.

Vargas-Trinidad. After being decked a couple of times in the first round and shaken multiple times, Vargas gets back in the fight and puts Tito on his ass in the 4th. Right after he gets up, Tito smashes Vargas's balls with a low blow, breaks his rythm and Vargas doesn't really follow up or capitalize on the Kd.

yancey wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

yancey wrote:consistently used in the event?

I would definitely nominate Frazier-Ali II for this topic. Watched it last week for the first time in years.

The constant holding by Ali was way over the top. Perez should have put a stop to it. Bad, very bad.

Yep the only way to beat Frazier was to be "Unruly".....I say "Unruly" because it's a rule....not a law....no one gets arrested.


So you say Ali was acting unruly when he was holding, and of Course Foreman was pushing all the time pushing.

That's probably why Ali didn't try to "bum rush" Foreman.

To beat Joe, you had to be unruly.


But wait.....it's against the rules to have a two minute round, or for a ref to call a halt to the hitting.


So it sorta works both ways I guess.

One man's "unruly" is another man's CHEATING, I guess.

And you have a mighty weak case as to this "works both ways" business when you have a brief episode in the second round in which Frazier was briefly staggered a tiny bit and the round shortened a bit through a referee screw up.

I know and you know that Ali was not ending that fight right then and there with one brief moment against the slow starting Joe. What, they had 41 rounds of fighting and Ali never ever sniffed knocking Frazier down.

Compare that to 12 rounds of constant grabbing and holding from Ali. It was shameful that Ali didn't fight like a man and felt he needed to do that kind of stuff in order to win.

But he did.

And you, my friend, must have the courage to change.

Frazier, who obviously had no love lost for Ali, did famously say that "in the ring, the Butterfly was a man."

So I guess you, watching outside the ropes, disagree with your hero, who endured 41 rounds with the GOAT.

And I would hardly qualify something like clinching or tying up, as a foul or illegal tactic.
A foul is designed to hurt someone, like a low blow or deliberate head butt.

Grabbing is merely strategy that might be frowned upon since it slows the action, but is rarely penalized. It's certainly not intended to physically hurt the opponent.

SenorPipino wrote:Frazier, who obviously had no love lost for Ali, did famously say that "in the ring, the Butterfly was a man."

So I guess you, watching outside the ropes, disagree with your hero, who endured 41 rounds with the GOAT.

And I would hardly qualify something like clinching or tying up, as a foul or illegal tactic.

wlad took it too far. he would clinch until
the opponent became a stationary target.
very ugly to watch and in my view a clear
foul.

- Easy, TUE 49-0 hands down.

Last half of his career at MGM Floyd with his selection of in house refs, judges, and USADA/Travis Tygart his pocket. Even got the new FBI commish blessing the mess.

Makes Sven Ottke look like an amateur, but he floats the forum petticoats, so now it's carved into the stone of history for this bankrupt generation...so many to thank.

Ken Buchanan was getting his ass kicked against Duran. He was just trying to milk the DQ because he knew he couldn't win any other way. "Stole the title" my ass. I have an interview with Buchanan on the street the day after the Duran fight and he wasn't carrying around any grapefruits in his underwear. That guys gotten more undeserved mileage out of that story than any fighter who was ever hit low Ive ever seen.