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There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

you listed TWO american vacators, among titles vacated all around the world
almost every day. the promoter has 7 days to issue the contracts and pay the
10% deposit, 15 days to announce the site and date, 21 days for boxers to
return the signed contracts to wbc. that's march 18 at the latest for wilder
to submit the signed contract. i have yet to see a sign that wilder isn't going
to sign the contract and return it. all this excitement about the "wilder ducking
povetkin and vacating theory" is flamboyantly gay. just relax and wait for reality.

sucracristo wrote:you listed TWO american vacators, among titles vacated all around the world
almost every day. the promoter has 7 days to issue the contracts and pay the
10% deposit, 15 days to announce the site and date, 21 days for boxers to
return the signed contracts to wbc. that's march 18 at the latest for wilder
to submit the signed contract. i have yet to see a sign that wilder isn't going
to sign the contract and return it. all this excitement about the "wilder ducking
povetkin and vacating theory" is flamboyantly gay. just relax and wait for reality.

sucracristo wrote:you listed TWO american vacators, among titles vacated all around the world
almost every day. the promoter has 7 days to issue the contracts and pay the
10% deposit, 15 days to announce the site and date, 21 days for boxers to
return the signed contracts to wbc. that's march 18 at the latest for wilder
to submit the signed contract. i have yet to see a sign that wilder isn't going
to sign the contract and return it. all this excitement about the "wilder ducking
povetkin and vacating theory" is flamboyantly gay. just relax and wait for reality.

No it is all over in North America man. I have been saying the same thing. It is about time the truth continues to come out.

This place has gone to hell in a hand basket.
Why all of the hated for any fighter from any countries?

A bunch of juvenile fucktards

Sorry nothing personal against Americans.

Its just that all of the fighters vacating are American. When I say they are a fraud I mean exactly that. A fraud is a deception, something that is supposed to be something but really is not. Thesr American boxers arr supposed to have a title but they fight losers in the US then drop their title the first time a good challenger comes a long. Its a form of fraud.

I guess that is why all the good boxers of today (Kovalev, Golovkin, Lomachenko, Fury, Klitschko, Joshua, Alvarez) none of them are American.

You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

Good call

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

Ggg and Geale fought. How can Geale be accused of ducking when he in fact went through with the fight? Does that make any sense to you Einstein?

My point stands. There is an American specific trend of vacaters and bum feeders. No other country compares when it comes to dropping belts.

Andrew Kearney wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

Ggg and Geale fought. How can Geale be accused of ducking when he in fact went through with the fight? Does that make any sense to you Einstein?

My point stands. There is an American specific trend of vacaters and bum feeders. No other country compares when it comes to dropping belts.

Geale didn't fight while he was a champion. He only cashed out when his expiration date passed.

Andrew Kearney wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

Ggg and Geale fought. How can Geale be accused of ducking when he in fact went through with the fight? Does that make any sense to you Einstein?

My point stands. There is an American specific trend of vacaters and bum feeders. No other country compares when it comes to dropping belts.

geale dropped a belt instead of fighting ggg. I didn't accuse him of anything, just adding a couple of names to refute your mind numbingly stupid post.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You forgot the other Americans, Sturm & geale, that vacated instead of fighting ggg.

Ggg and Geale fought. How can Geale be accused of ducking when he in fact went through with the fight? Does that make any sense to you Einstein?

My point stands. There is an American specific trend of vacaters and bum feeders. No other country compares when it comes to dropping belts.

geale dropped a belt instead of fighting ggg. I didn't accuse him of anything, just adding a couple of names to refute your mind numbingly stupid post.

That's a Euro vs. a Euro though. That's different than North American cowards backing away from fights and not fighting each other with a list of excuses sadder than your name SHITOFFTHEDECK.

Another idiotic Boxrec thread.....greeeeaattt..........

armageto wrote:Another idiotic Boxrec thread.....greeeeaattt..........

It is sad that boxing is being ruined by North Americans though. They refuse to fight one another and any of the top guys. Look at 147. None of the top guys have fought one another. They continue to look for B rated opponents. 2016 has been a terrible year for boxing thus far. 2 months in and not one big fight.

Wilder hasn't dropped the belt yet...too early to convict him.

Lancenix wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote: Ggg and Geale fought. How can Geale be accused of ducking when he in fact went through with the fight? Does that make any sense to you Einstein?

My point stands. There is an American specific trend of vacaters and bum feeders. No other country compares when it comes to dropping belts.

geale dropped a belt instead of fighting ggg. I didn't accuse him of anything, just adding a couple of names to refute your mind numbingly stupid post.

That's a Euro vs. a Euro though. That's different than North American cowards backing away from fights and not fighting each other with a list of excuses sadder than your name SHITOFFTHEDECK.

I'm not sure if it is the fact that he is from New South Wales that has confused you.
But Geale's an Aussie....








**Aussie, being an abreviation for Australian.
***Australie being in the Southern hemisphere and most certainly not in Europe
****In fact, last time I checked, it's almost the polar opposite side of the globe
*****Golovkin is from Kazakhstan, officially the Republic of Kazakhstan, is a country in Central Asia, with a minor part west of the Ural River and thus in Europe so you were very slightly correct

Andrew Kearney wrote:Sorry nothing personal against Americans.

the thread is getting funnier with every post.

crusader wrote:Wilder hasn't dropped the belt yet...too early to convict him.

I agree, up to some point. Wilder really pushed it to the limit, the steroid talk against a 100% flawless clean boxer (unlike many of those American champions, including, but not limited to, Briggs, Tyson, Holyfield, name them), the burning/shooting of everything that symbols his (or well, for him) big opponends. Wilder who could chose to fight last october/november, but chose to do it around may which Povetkin accepted and then suddenly claiming like Povetkin ducked him around januari, because the 36 year old Povetkin needed more time?! The claims of Wilder that basically he's the best boxer instead of Klitschko/Fury, because they didn't have his belt, while his belt used to have a greater history.

And so the bullshit goes on, so ducking Povetkin now should be the finishing touch.

Flawlessly clean boxer? In this era? Lol

tyson fury was just stripped for not fighting glazkov, who lost his title to martin.
was he ducking or just choosing the bigger fight, the rematch with klit?
fury specifically said he would vacate if haye became mandatory for any
of his titles, right after winning them. didn't wlad vacate a title? haye vacated
cruiser titles to move up to heavy (like garcia moving up to win wbc welter).
not fighting someone beneathe you and in a very short period of time winning
a title the next division up is a vertical move.

not only has wilder not vacated and has said absolutely NOTHING about
vacating and when asked has insisted over and over he WANTS povetkin,
but the WBC said the fight was delayed because povetkin delayed it.

froch vacated and retired when he couldn't get the sendoff fights he wanted.
didn't euabnk just vacate his wba trinket?
in the kameda-mcdonnel fight i could swear kameda was stripped for trying
to unify instead of fighting whoever the wbo wanted. hardly a duck as those
were great fights. i can think of a few other situations like that where guys
were stripped for trying to unify. either way, there are lots of cases of boxers
vacating and getting stripped for legit reasons from around the world all the
time.

if america sucks so bad, not sure why everyone wants to train here, fight here,
live here, retire here. why not just stay in your own countries and bathe once
a month and snuggle up to your hairy women with bad teeth?

Mthalane and Tete ...

This forum has become painful to even follow anymore. The amount of delusion and bias shown on this form, I can't help but to feel slightly embarrassed for some people on here.

NateJR wrote:This forum has become painful to even follow anymore. The amount of delusion and bias shown on this form, I can't help but to feel slightly embarrassed for some people on here.

i think it is a generational phenomenon.
the new kids defend their heros and get
carried away. no big thing.

Andrew Kearney wrote:There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

caldo2025 wrote:

Andrew Kearney wrote:There seems to be a trend among American boxers that they drop belts and vacate if they are unwilling or afraid to face their mandatories. American presence in boxing has declined substantially in the past 15 years to the point almost all of the top 10 P4P boxers today are nonAmerican (most according to boxrec are Eastern European). Fans need to call these American frauds out.

Peter Quillin repeatedly ducked Golovkin and fought bums then dropped his belt rather than fight Russian Matt Korobov.

Danny Garcia did not have the confidence to fight his mandatory Viktor Postol so dropped his belt and gave it up to Postol.

Deontay Wilder has fought bums and now that he's lost the bid to Povetkin will likely be vacating the belt. I guess he just doesn't want to fight a guy that could actually beat him? Pathetic. Wilder beat up taxi drivers and runs like a little girl vacating his title the first time a real fight VS a top3 guy comes his way. "Pathetic" isn't even the word.

"Fraud" describes these American boxers better. They fight bums brought to lose in the USA but Haymon can only protect them for so long. Then they vacate when they know a challenger is for real.

No wonder all of the best boxers and champs are non Americans now a days. The American boxers are frauds. Then again I dont blame Wilder, Povetkin will KO him and his team knows it. Hence dropping the belt.

As an American who is not too fond of the European faction of this site, I can't argue with this opinion. He's right. Forget about the who ducked this guy and who ducked that guy stuff, because that's not exactly the point here. The main point he is trying to make here is that American Boxers and Promoters are killing this sport. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. We can all thank Floyd for creating this Haymonistic environment in which the goal isn't to win belts or challenge the best. The goal is to make the most money possible by taking the least amount of risk. That's it. Floyd showed all of these younger boxers that you can go 10 years as champion without fighting the number one contender and still make more money than anyone has ever made in the sport.

Boxers foreign to America are the ones pushing for the best fights right now. Kovalev and GGG lead the pack in how it's supposed to be done. These two want to fight the best 3 times a year. If the American's had half the heart of these other boxers, the sport would be soaring...But instead we have postponed fights, vacated titles and promoters protecting prospects. American Boxers are pussies. Fact

Thats not even entirely true. Look at a guy like tim bradley. I'm not the huggest fan of him, but he has fought everyone they've put in front of him and was even willing to go to 154 for big fights. I honestly believe crawford will fight anyone. Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was willing to go in there and fight kovalev. I think we can see a common thread among all of those guys and that is that they are not with haymon.

But even as far as haymon guys are concerned, you get guys like charles martin who is willing to go fight joshua in his first fight. He could have miked that title for a bit but chose not too.

All that said, I think we need to see what wilder does before we condemn him. I really thought he was going to unify with martin so that he could put off the povetkin fight even longer as allowed by wbc rules. As it stands, I think he is going to fight him.