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I don't disagree that Terence “Bud” Crawford is talented but I feel its time for him to step in with some real competition. No more Lundy level fighters, There is way to much talent in the 140 div so there should be no excuses. There are too many champions that refuse to take chances like Danny Garcia, Kell Brooks and others

Just my thought..

I agree

Dulorme, Jean, and Lundy is pretty underwhelming...I haven't even bothered watching the last two fights.

He keeps bringing up smaller fighters from lightweight. Gamboa was on a long lay of, and is 5,4. I want to see Crawford with a taller fighter also someone with real punching power test that chin. I want to see him fight postal, ruslan.

Lampley and Kellerman said that over a half dozen fighters turned the fight down before Lundy agreed. Kellerman said he is having the same problem that the top European fighters are having. No one will fight them and then they get blamed for fighting not the top guys. Let us not forget that he wanted to fight PacMan and Pacman backed out of the fight because he would rather fight TB a fight no one gives a rats ass about and make fun of gay people. I do not blame Crawford here at all.

postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

Lancenix wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

maybe you right. craw is totaly in his prime and matt out. on top craw is way more athletic and natural more athletic. i just like punchers because they always have a punchers chance

Lancenix wrote:Lampley and Kellerman said that over a half dozen fighters turned the fight down before Lundy agreed. Kellerman said he is having the same problem that the top European fighters are having. No one will fight them and then they get blamed for fighting not the top guys. Let us not forget that he wanted to fight PacMan and Pacman backed out of the fight because he would rather fight TB a fight no one gives a rats ass about and make fun of gay people. I do not blame Crawford here at all.

This +1!!!

Lancenix wrote:Lampley and Kellerman said that over a half dozen fighters turned the fight down before Lundy agreed. Kellerman said he is having the same problem that the top European fighters are having. No one will fight them and then they get blamed for fighting not the top guys. Let us not forget that he wanted to fight PacMan and Pacman backed out of the fight because he would rather fight TB a fight no one gives a rats ass about and make fun of gay people. I do not blame Crawford here at all.

Who turned him down and what were they offered?

Postol and Herrera were two.

Lancenix wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

Crawford starts slow, he is not beating Mathysse 12-0.. He lost early rounds to Dulorme and Lundy that were smaller than him and not top15 material.

I agree that Crawford beats Lucas and maybe stops him.. but not 12-0

I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:postol, troyanski, rances or matthysse....this or nothing

He would beat Lucas 12-0. 12 to nothing. Crawford is way better than garcia and garcia picked Lucas apart. I am telling you 12-0 if that fight happens.

Crawford starts slow, he is not beating Mathysse 12-0.. He lost early rounds to Dulorme and Lundy that were smaller than him and not top15 material.

I agree that Crawford beats Lucas and maybe stops him.. but not 12-0

12 to 0 or 11-1. It would be easy. If that is all you have to debate then let us get this straight it would not even be close.

Badhusker wrote:I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

It’s understandable why Herrera opted not to take the fight with Crawford. Herrera’s promoters at Golden Boy Promotions are looking to match him against Banners Promotions fighter Ruslan Provodnikov next in a rematch. Herrera and Provodnikov fought each other in 2011, with Herrera winning a 12 round unanimous decision. The money in a rematch between them would likely be comparable to what Herrera would receive in a title shot against Crawford. The Herrera vs. Provodnikov 2 fight could take place in April, as that’s the date they’re looking at the stage the fight.

Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

Lol, who could they get? If you highly doubt it, let's hear some suggestions.

And the Herrera/Provo rematch is dead.

Horse wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

It’s understandable why Herrera opted not to take the fight with Crawford. Herrera’s promoters at Golden Boy Promotions are looking to match him against Banners Promotions fighter Ruslan Provodnikov next in a rematch. Herrera and Provodnikov fought each other in 2011, with Herrera winning a 12 round unanimous decision. The money in a rematch between them would likely be comparable to what Herrera would receive in a title shot against Crawford. The Herrera vs. Provodnikov 2 fight could take place in April, as that’s the date they’re looking at the stage the fight.

Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

But why blame Crawford, isn't Arum the Promoter? The same Arum who did not allow Manny to face Crawford? So many of today's fans act as if the fighter has a say over who he gets to fight, if anything, we should all be able to clearly see Bob Arum's track record on this:

Floyd under Arum:
Not allowed to face DLH, Cotto, Mosley, I could go on and on

Manny under Arum:
Not allowed to face Floyd (until much later when Bob is pretty much done with him), Crawford, Maidana, many others

Crawford under Arum:
Not allowed to face all that Manny, yadda yadda yadda.

Let's stop finger pointing at these boxers who have Arum as their promoter because it is clear as day WHO (Arum) the problem really is by now.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Horse wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

It’s understandable why Herrera opted not to take the fight with Crawford. Herrera’s promoters at Golden Boy Promotions are looking to match him against Banners Promotions fighter Ruslan Provodnikov next in a rematch. Herrera and Provodnikov fought each other in 2011, with Herrera winning a 12 round unanimous decision. The money in a rematch between them would likely be comparable to what Herrera would receive in a title shot against Crawford. The Herrera vs. Provodnikov 2 fight could take place in April, as that’s the date they’re looking at the stage the fight.

Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

But why blame Crawford, isn't Arum the Promoter? The same Arum who did not allow Manny to face Crawford? So many of today's fans act as if the fighter has a say over who he gets to fight, if anything, we should all be able to clearly see Bob Arum's track record on this:

Floyd under Arum:
Not allowed to face DLH, Cotto, Mosley, I could go on and on

Manny under Arum:
Not allowed to face Floyd (until much later when Bob is pretty much done with him), Crawford, Maidana, many others

Crawford under Arum:
Not allowed to face all that Manny, yadda yadda yadda.

Let's stop finger pointing at these boxers who have Arum as their promoter because it is clear as day WHO (Arum) the problem really is by now.

Crawford would fight anyone in the world at 140. In the end he is going to have to go to 147 sooner than he would like to get fights and even then who knows. None of these guys are exactly fighting each other there either. Shawn porter and Crawford will fight anyone in their weight class. Bud is being patient playing the stupid game that is boxing matchmaking.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol, who could they get? If you highly doubt it, let's hear some suggestions.

No.

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol, who could they get? If you highly doubt it, let's hear some suggestions.

No.

There we have it. Talking out of your ass.

Horse wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

It’s understandable why Herrera opted not to take the fight with Crawford. Herrera’s promoters at Golden Boy Promotions are looking to match him against Banners Promotions fighter Ruslan Provodnikov next in a rematch. Herrera and Provodnikov fought each other in 2011, with Herrera winning a 12 round unanimous decision. The money in a rematch between them would likely be comparable to what Herrera would receive in a title shot against Crawford. The Herrera vs. Provodnikov 2 fight could take place in April, as that’s the date they’re looking at the stage the fight.

Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

That is a duck by Herrera and ODH is not putting on the best fights. Everyone knows the best at 140 is Crawford. Herrera does not want anything to do with him. ODH is strategically moving his guys away from Crawford.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:There we have it. Talking out of your ass.

I'll name 20 fighters and you'll say that none of the fights could be made and I'm an idiot for suggesting them.

It's a bit of a pointless exercise.

Horse wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:There we have it. Talking out of your ass.

I'll name 20 fighters and you'll say that none of the fights could be made and I'm an idiot for suggesting them.

It's a bit of a pointless exercise.

Agreed, defending a position when you're as wrong as you are is pointless. And lmao that you could name 20 jww conclusively better than Lundy.

Lancenix wrote:That is a duck by Herrera and ODH is not putting on the best fights. Everyone knows the best at 140 is Crawford. Herrera does not want anything to do with him. ODH is strategically moving his guys away from Crawford.

How much was offered?

Why would Herrera or Provodnikov be worried about losing to Crawford? They've both lost plenty of times and recently too.

Herrera has lost 4 of his last 8 and Provodnikov has lost 3 of his last 6.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

Horse wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I only heard of three. "Herrera joins Provodnikov and Viktor Postol as two fighters that chose not to take the fight with Crawford."

http://www.boxingnewsresults.com/2016/0 ... ord-fight/ (according to fat Dan)

It’s understandable why Herrera opted not to take the fight with Crawford. Herrera’s promoters at Golden Boy Promotions are looking to match him against Banners Promotions fighter Ruslan Provodnikov next in a rematch. Herrera and Provodnikov fought each other in 2011, with Herrera winning a 12 round unanimous decision. The money in a rematch between them would likely be comparable to what Herrera would receive in a title shot against Crawford. The Herrera vs. Provodnikov 2 fight could take place in April, as that’s the date they’re looking at the stage the fight.

Hardly a duck is it?

There are plenty of other good opponents to fight. I highly doubt that Lundy was the best that they could get.

But why blame Crawford, isn't Arum the Promoter? The same Arum who did not allow Manny to face Crawford? So many of today's fans act as if the fighter has a say over who he gets to fight, if anything, we should all be able to clearly see Bob Arum's track record on this:

Floyd under Arum:
Not allowed to face DLH, Cotto, Mosley, I could go on and on

Manny under Arum:
Not allowed to face Floyd (until much later when Bob is pretty much done with him), Crawford, Maidana, many others

Crawford under Arum:
Not allowed to face all that Manny, yadda yadda yadda.

Let's stop finger pointing at these boxers who have Arum as their promoter because it is clear as day WHO (Arum) the problem really is by now.

I agree that Arum is the most responsible for Crawford's relatively low level of competition. I have always been critical of him. Most fighters under promotional contract fight who they are told to fight.

The promoters in general are a major part of the problem with boxing.