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Reports now coming out that Frampton will vacate the WBA belt he just won to avoid fighting Rigondeaux and instead will fight his IBF mandatory, Shingo Wake.

So we get no Frampton vs. Rigo, no Kovalev vs. Stevenson, no Golovkin vs. Jacobs, no Crawford vs. Postol, no Cotto vs. Lara, no Santa Cruz vs. Selby/Cuellar/Russell.

Life as a boxing fan really sucks sometimes.

I don't know why fans support these guys.....they're cheating all of boxing.

the days of proper fighting men are well and truly over. someone on here, can't remember who told me the other day "people were frightened of george foreman, not guillermo rigondeaux".

so why does things like this happen then..

jujigatame wrote:Reports now coming out that Frampton will vacate the WBA belt he just won to avoid fighting Rigondeaux and instead will fight his IBF mandatory, Shingo Wake.

So we get no Frampton vs. Rigo, no Kovalev vs. Stevenson, no Golovkin vs. Jacobs, no Crawford vs. Postol, no Cotto vs. Lara, no Santa Cruz vs. Selby/Cuellar/Russell.

Life as a boxing fan really sucks sometimes.

In fairness Wake WAS his original mandatory, long before Rigo was...strangely the Japanese media are suggesting Wake is unlikely to get the Frampton fight

This why we need a league or organization that regulates all of boxing. Nobody would watch football anymore if the Patriots cherry picked the Browns to play in the superbowl.

When it comes to mandatories, you have no fornicating choice. And if you drop a belt after avoiding them over and over you should be fined and suspended.

Also, less belts please. And less weight classes, fussing over a 5 pound difference is hilarious. Let's bring back just having 7-8, minimum, feather, light, welter, middle, super middle, l heavy and heavy. No more fornicating jr. and "super" titles, no more catch weights unless a guy is making a big leap up and is adjusting or something. It's a cancer to the sport and a major turn off to casuals and newcomers when theres over a dozen divisions and 4 champs in each one.

Cygnus475 wrote:This why we need a league or organization that regulates all of boxing. Nobody would watch football anymore if the Patriots cherry picked the Browns to play in the superbowl.

When it comes to mandatories, you have no effing choice. And if you drop a belt after avoiding them over and over you should be fined and suspended.

Also, less belts please. And less weight classes, fussing over a 5 pound difference is hilarious. Let's bring back just having 7-8, minimum, feather, light, welter, middle, super middle, l heavy and heavy. No more effing jr. and "super" titles, no more catch weights unless a guy is making a big leap up and is adjusting or something. It's a cancer to the sport and a major turn off to casuals and newcomers when theres over a dozen divisions and 4 champs in each one.

Exactly. Boxing is at a crossroads without some regulation of matchmaking the sport is doomed. The cat is way out of the bag and has run away with no hope of catching it.

Usually i'd agree but Rigo vs anyone isn't a fight i would watch anyway.

Cygnus475 wrote:This why we need a league or organization that regulates all of boxing. Nobody would watch football anymore if the Patriots cherry picked the Browns to play in the superbowl.

When it comes to mandatories, you have no effing choice. And if you drop a belt after avoiding them over and over you should be fined and suspended.

Also, less belts please. And less weight classes, fussing over a 5 pound difference is hilarious. Let's bring back just having 7-8, minimum, feather, light, welter, middle, super middle, l heavy and heavy. No more effing jr. and "super" titles, no more catch weights unless a guy is making a big leap up and is adjusting or something. It's a cancer to the sport and a major turn off to casuals and newcomers when theres over a dozen divisions and 4 champs in each one.

It felt like Haymon was trying to do this with the PBC but ultimately his matchmaking hasn't been any better than the boxing norm. A few big fights per year surrounded by scads of mismatches.

I'm more pissed that Frampton is fighting some dude no one has heard of than I am that he isn't fighting rigondeaux who I am perfectly content to never see again.

for me framptons stock has dropped he wasn't that great in the quigg fight his first step into PPV i doubt he made any new fans and now he's bottling fighting rigo .froch was never no1 but he was exciting so it wasn't a big deal but frampton and his team talks a lot but when it comes to it takes the easy route dissapointing

stevedoc wrote:for me framptons stock has dropped he wasn't that great in the quigg fight his first step into PPV i doubt he made any new fans and now he's bottling fighting rigo .froch was never no1 but he was exciting so it wasn't a big deal but frampton and his team talks a lot but when it comes to it takes the easy route dissapointing

jockpunk wrote:I'm more pissed that Frampton is fighting some dude no one has heard of than I am that he isn't fighting rigondeaux who I am perfectly content to never see again.

Wake is pretty decent but at absolute best he's the #5 guy in the division. I'm sick of seeing #1 vs. #5 when #2-4 are available.

jujigatame wrote:

jockpunk wrote:I'm more pissed that Frampton is fighting some dude no one has heard of than I am that he isn't fighting rigondeaux who I am perfectly content to never see again.

Wake is pretty decent but at absolute best he's the #5 guy in the division. I'm sick of seeing #1 vs. #5 when #2-4 are available.

That shouldn't even be allowed. If you've cleared out your mandatories and have consistently beaten the top 4 guys throughout the year, I have no problems taking the #5-10 (they still have to make money, and you wear yourself out constantly fighting top opponents with no break).

However, guys like KELL BROOKE should be suspended or stripped for their foolishness.

jujigatame wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:This why we need a league or organization that regulates all of boxing. Nobody would watch football anymore if the Patriots cherry picked the Browns to play in the superbowl.

When it comes to mandatories, you have no effing choice. And if you drop a belt after avoiding them over and over you should be fined and suspended.

Also, less belts please. And less weight classes, fussing over a 5 pound difference is hilarious. Let's bring back just having 7-8, minimum, feather, light, welter, middle, super middle, l heavy and heavy. No more effing jr. and "super" titles, no more catch weights unless a guy is making a big leap up and is adjusting or something. It's a cancer to the sport and a major turn off to casuals and newcomers when theres over a dozen divisions and 4 champs in each one.

It felt like Haymon was trying to do this with the PBC but ultimately his matchmaking hasn't been any better than the boxing norm. A few big fights per year surrounded by scads of mismatches.

Yeah I like Haymon and it's rare for fighters to praise their managers. But the Adrian broner vs khabib fiasco proves he definitely views fighters as assets and won't hesitate to "protect" them to milk more money. Overall he does better than most but he's still guilty of allowing cherry picking and ducking.

Another reason why I like the heavyweights much more, except for Wilder. Even though I have to admit, that even in his case, I respect him more as I used to, after the Szpilka fight.

jujigatame wrote:Reports now coming out that Frampton will vacate the WBA belt he just won to avoid fighting Rigondeaux and instead will fight his IBF mandatory, Shingo Wake.

So we get no Frampton vs. Rigo, no Kovalev vs. Stevenson, no Golovkin vs. Jacobs, no Crawford vs. Postol, no Cotto vs. Lara, no Santa Cruz vs. Selby/Cuellar/Russell.

Life as a boxing fan really sucks sometimes.

i ve been saing it forr 10000000 year boxing busienss sucks !!!!!!!

asdfjkl wrote:Another reason why I like the heavyweights much more, except for Wilder. Even though I have to admit, that even in his case, I respect him more as I used to, after the Szpilka fight.

why dont you like wilder, cuse he avoids other tp boxers?

he fought stiverne, also povetkin vs wilder is clse to being made. rbyanski, the rich russian promoter got the fight, it will happen, signs say ny

Oiky wrote:the days of proper fighting men are well and truly over. someone on here, can't remember who told me the other day "people were frightened of george foreman, not guillermo rigondeaux".

so why does things like this happen then..

it's the money they make without those fights. Guys like Leonard and hearns had to fight each other for a huge payday. Granted, Tommy never stopped seeking the toughest fights. Ray did.

jockpunk wrote:I'm more pissed that Frampton is fighting some dude no one has heard of than I am that he isn't fighting rigondeaux who I am perfectly content to never see again.

I'm more pissed that fight fans don't seem to realise boxing goes on outside of Europe and the US. If you've not heard of Wake you've been living under a rock, the guy has been a mandatory since beating Tawatchai (by all means be annoyed about Tawatchai being in an eliminator), and has scored wins over solid Asian fighters (Lee, Baat and Oguni being the most notable).

Stylistically he's a nightmare for Frampton as well. High risk, low reward.

Between HBO and these Ducking Chickensh*t boxers we will all witness a great talent like Rigo go to waste and then by the time they all decide to grow a pair and fight him he won't be what he once was.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:Between HBO and these Ducking Chickensh*t boxers we will all witness a great talent like Rigo go to waste and then by the time they all decide to grow a pair and fight him he won't be what he once was.

Same is true for Golovkin.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

jockpunk wrote:I'm more pissed that Frampton is fighting some dude no one has heard of than I am that he isn't fighting rigondeaux who I am perfectly content to never see again.

I'm more pissed that fight fans don't seem to realise boxing goes on outside of Europe and the US. If you've not heard of Wake you've been living under a rock, the guy has been a mandatory since beating Tawatchai (by all means be annoyed about Tawatchai being in an eliminator), and has scored wins over solid Asian fighters (Lee, Baat and Oguni being the most notable).

Stylistically he's a nightmare for Frampton as well. High risk, low reward.

I agree that Wake is no easy fight for anybody.

Should be a competitive bout -- I wouldn't be surprised at all if Wake beats Frampton.

It's just a disappointing state of affairs. I didn't even list all the issues we have now:

- Kell Brook fighting his 3rd straight no-hoper.

- Wilder basically having fought 1 decent opponent in his entire career and now may not even be fighting Povetkin as promised.

- Broner taking a hysterical joke of a fight against Theophane.

- Ward arguably hasn't fought a worthy opponent since 2012 and will only theoretically break that streak towards the end of the year.

I mean, what in the actual f*ck.

jujigatame wrote:It's just a disappointing state of affairs. I didn't even list all the issues we have now:

- Kell Brook fighting his 3rd straight no-hoper.

- Wilder basically having fought 1 decent opponent in his entire career and now may not even be fighting Povetkin as promised.

- Broner taking a hysterical joke of a fight against Theophane.

- Ward arguably hasn't fought a worthy opponent since 2012 and will only theoretically break that streak towards the end of the year.

I mean, what in the actual f*ck.

I agree, there's been some piss poor fights.

They need to change things to encourage the big fights. Like the sanctioning bodies not letting joke defence like Broner vs Theophane. As soon as that was even proposed Broner should have been stripped.

At least Crolla is showing some balls by facing Baroso.

i thought a frampton-santa cruz fight was being negotiated