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So, to liven things up, I've come up with an game.

You are given the name of a heavyweight champion from history.

You have to pick a boxer that could beat him, a contender, not another world champion. The more obscure the better and feel free to add how you think the fight would go.

E.G.

Champion: Valuev

I would pick Tyrell Biggs to beat him. Biggs would start with a lot of movement and would stack up winning rounds, he would go down in the 10th, but get back up to win 118-111

Then the person who picks the contender sets up the next person by naming another champion.

Ok, I will start us of.....

Champion: George Foreman (first reign)

keithmoonhangover wrote:Ok, I will start us of.....

Champion: George Foreman (first reign)

Eddie Machen

Sonny Liston

Jimmy Young

Now I'm not sure Young could beat Liston, but Liston's biggest weakness was guys with good movement and defense and Young certainly had those assets. I think on his best night Young would've been able to box and move his way to a decision victory against Liston, likely enduring some knockdowns and scary moments along the way...I could easily see Liston knocking out Young as well, but I think Young could've beaten him.


Up next: Floyd Patterson

gilgamesh wrote:Jimmy Young

Now I'm not sure Young could beat Liston, but Liston's biggest weakness was guys with good movement and defense and Young certainly had those assets. I think on his best night Young would've been able to box and move his way to a decision victory against Liston, likely enduring some knockdowns and scary moments along the way...I could easily see Liston knocking out Young as well, but I think Young could've beaten him.


Up next: Floyd Patterson

Razor ruddock

Gerry Cooney?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Gerry Cooney?

Alex Garcia would have beaten cooney.

My Champ is Mike Tyson, I think its going to be interesting what contender comes up here that would have beaten a prime Tyson.

mimmy123 wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Gerry Cooney?

Alex Garcia would have beaten cooney.

My Champ is Mike Tyson, I think its going to be interesting what contender comes up here that would have beaten a prime Tyson.

Tough one, gonna go with George Chuvalo. It was interesting no one ever went to the body against Mike. No way he can throw those blindingly fast combinations after getting bis robs cracked and his stomach reduced to silly puddy. Without combos, against a bigger guy with a granite chin And limitless stamina, Tyson is in serious trouble.

He has no k.os past the 7th round. If Tyson can blast Chuvalo out early, hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink he has a chance of winning due to cuts or the ref ending it for too many unanswered punches a la Foreman. If not, I really don't see Tyson winning a decision

My champ is Jack Johnson.

mimmy123 wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Gerry Cooney?

Alex Garcia would have beaten cooney.

My Champ is Mike Tyson, I think its going to be interesting what contender comes up here that would have beaten a prime Tyson.

Ok, make that Jerry Quarry.

Jack Johnson? Pretty much any contender from the mid 30s on could beaten him. He was good for his time but no one dared criticize him because of the racism he had to endure. He had a distinct Ht and reach advantage over his challengers. A lot of the guys he fought were bonafide middleweights.
Picking from the 1930s and 40s Billy Conn beats him easy.


My Champ Leon Spinks

Kurgen22 wrote:Jack Johnson? Pretty much any contender from the mid 30s on could beaten him. He was good for his time but no one dared criticize him because of the racism he had to endure. He had a distinct Ht and reach advantage over his challengers. A lot of the guys he fought were bonafide middleweights.
Picking from the 1930s and 40s Billy Conn beats him easy.


My Champ Leon Spinks

I would pick Renaldo Snipes over Leon.

Michael Spinks.

mercman wrote:

witherspoon wrote:

Kurgen22 wrote:Jack Johnson? Pretty much any contender from the mid 30s on could beaten him. He was good for his time but no one dared criticize him because of the racism he had to endure. He had a distinct Ht and reach advantage over his challengers. A lot of the guys he fought were bonafide middleweights.
Picking from the 1930s and 40s Billy Conn beats him easy.


My Champ Leon Spinks

I would pick Renaldo Snipes over Leon.

Michael Spinks.

Ike Ibeabuchi beats Michael Spinks.


Tommy Morrison.

I'd take Joe Jeanette over Tommy, who wouldn't have done much if not for steroids. Joe beats him up on the inside easily eating the few shots Tommy is able to land, stopping him around the 5th as Tommy gasses.

Joe Louis

Zora Folley enters the ring an underdog against the heavy handed exciting great white hope.
He survives an early onslaught from the duke, with a few very interesting exchanges and some rough house scrapping. As we approach the middle rounds and Tommy shows signs of tiredness, Zora starts timing his man well, boxing neatly and racking up rounds until the last 3 rounds, where both men look weary and it resorts back to a slugfest. With both men wobbled in the dramatic 11 round and question marks over whether Zoras Glove touches the canvas after a heavy counter left hook, the 2 engage for a barn burning 12th round, standing toe to toe slugging it out with every last shred of determination.
The final bell goes and Zora takes a split decision with many ringside giving it to Morrison by a round or 2.

My Champion is Ezzard Charles (and no, even I don't pick Moore to beat him at heavy )

Tomasino wrote:

mercman wrote:

witherspoon wrote:
I would pick Renaldo Snipes over Leon.

Michael Spinks.

Ike Ibeabuchi beats Michael Spinks.


Tommy Morrison.

I'd take Joe Jeanette over Tommy, who wouldn't have done much if not for steroids. Joe beats him up on the inside easily eating the few shots Tommy is able to land, stopping him around the 5th as Tommy gasses.

Joe Louis

Oh bollocks, that's what I get for writing such along post.

I reckon mine should stand, my fight had more drama and intrigue

Plus, you're hardly playing fair, lets be honest, no non title winning contender is beating Joe

davie wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

mercman wrote:
Ike Ibeabuchi beats Michael Spinks.


Tommy Morrison.

I'd take Joe Jeanette over Tommy, who wouldn't have done much if not for steroids. Joe beats him up on the inside easily eating the few shots Tommy is able to land, stopping him around the 5th as Tommy gasses.

Joe Louis

Oh bollocks, that's what I get for writing such along post.

I reckon mine should stand, my fight had more drama and intrigue

Plus, you're hardly playing fair, lets be honest, no non title winning contender is beating Joe

There is no doubt who puts most effort into their posts, Davie. Fairs fair though, sir.

davie wrote:Zora Folley enters the ring an underdog against the heavy handed exciting great white hope.
He survives an early onslaught from the duke, with a few very interesting exchanges and some rough house scrapping. As we approach the middle rounds and Tommy shows signs of tiredness, Zora starts timing his man well, boxing neatly and racking up rounds until the last 3 rounds, where both men look weary and it resorts back to a slugfest. With both men wobbled in the dramatic 11 round and question marks over whether Zoras Glove touches the canvas after a heavy counter left hook, the 2 engage for a barn burning 12th round, standing toe to toe slugging it out with every last shred of determination.
The final bell goes and Zora takes a split decision with many ringside giving it to Morrison by a round or 2.

My Champion is Ezzard Charles (and no, even I don't pick Moore to beat him at heavy )

Sam Langford is soundly out boxed for the first 8 rounds but gradually his bone breaking power shots pierce Ezzards defendes in the 9th and 10th leaving him visibly damaged and hurt. Sometime around the 12th, Sam scores several knockdowns, eventually a game, battered and bruised Ezzard takes the whole count.


Now can someone do Joe Louis

mercman wrote:I know people will probably scream at me but...

David Tua beats Joe Louis.

Vitali K?

No screaming, but how on earth does that fat lazy slow guy beat Joe Louis Mercman? I can only see complete facial destruction of the big Samoan.

Tomasino wrote:

davie wrote:Zora Folley enters the ring an underdog against the heavy handed exciting great white hope.
He survives an early onslaught from the duke, with a few very interesting exchanges and some rough house scrapping. As we approach the middle rounds and Tommy shows signs of tiredness, Zora starts timing his man well, boxing neatly and racking up rounds until the last 3 rounds, where both men look weary and it resorts back to a slugfest. With both men wobbled in the dramatic 11 round and question marks over whether Zoras Glove touches the canvas after a heavy counter left hook, the 2 engage for a barn burning 12th round, standing toe to toe slugging it out with every last shred of determination.
The final bell goes and Zora takes a split decision with many ringside giving it to Morrison by a round or 2.

My Champion is Ezzard Charles (and no, even I don't pick Moore to beat him at heavy )

Sam Langford is soundly out boxed for the first 8 rounds but gradually his bone breaking power shots pierce Ezzards defendes in the 9th and 10th leaving him visibly damaged and hurt. Sometime around the 12th, Sam scores several knockdowns, eventually a game, battered and bruised Ezzard takes the whole count.


Now can someone do Joe Louis

I'm glad how that played out, afterall it would have been criminal if someone hadn't suggested Langford

mercman wrote:I know people will probably scream at me but...

David Tua beats Joe Louis.

Vitali K?

Well, what did Tomasino expect, picking Louis?

davie wrote:

mercman wrote:I know people will probably scream at me but...

David Tua beats Joe Louis.

Vitali K?

Well, what did Tomasino expect, picking Louis?

You can do better than that surely, Davie?

mercman wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

mercman wrote:I know people will probably scream at me but...

David Tua beats Joe Louis.

Vitali K?

No screaming, but how on earth does that fat lazy slow guy beat Joe Louis Mercman? I can only see complete facial destruction of the big Samoan.

Yeah, I know. Just very hard pressed to think of any non-champion that could beat Louis. My logic (if there's any) is that Tua has power and is short and stocky, like Marciano. Thus he does to Louis what Marciano did. Yes, I realise Tua doesn't have Rocky's fitness and work rate, etc. but I'm clutching at straws here, mate

Can anybody come up with anything better though? Maybe better going with a Jimmy Young type character but he's been mentioned already, I think.

I get your logic Mercman. It's tough to pick against the greatest. That's why I picked him, to see what would come out. Jimmy Young, with his movement and speed, would have been a good shout.

I'll take Witherspoon of the Holmes fight over Vitali, if we are discounting alphabet champs. Otherwise the best I can do is Gerry Cooney (of the Holmes fight, obviously).

I do believe, in my heart of hearts that somewhere amongst the pantheon of heavyweight title challengers past there is a challenger with the requisite skill set and enough good old fashioned grit to overcome a huge size disadvantage and beat Vitali. I'm thinking maybe Harry Wills, but I just don't have enough knowledge to put a good argument, so I have to qualify that as a hunch.

Answer: Witherspoon*
Back-up answer: Cooney*
Hunch: Harry Wills

*as seen against Larry Holmes

George Foreman Mk1

witherspoon wrote:I'll take Witherspoon of the Holmes fight over Vitali, if we are discounting alphabet champs. Otherwise the best I can do is Gerry Cooney (of the Holmes fight, obviously).

I do believe, in my heart of hearts that somewhere amongst the pantheon of heavyweight title challengers past there is a challenger with the requisite skill set and enough good old fashioned grit to overcome a huge size disadvantage and beat Vitali. I'm thinking maybe Harry Wills, but I just don't have enough knowledge to put a good argument, so I have to qualify that as a hunch.

Answer: Witherspoon*
Back-up answer: Cooney*
Hunch: Harry Wills

*as seen against Larry Holmes

George Foreman Mk1

Good answer mate but big George has been done near the start...

Tomasino wrote:Good answer mate but big George has been done near the start...

Yeah, I even read that earlier and still managed to forget

Ok, Bob Fitzsimmons

witherspoon wrote:I'll take Witherspoon of the Holmes fight over Vitali, if we are discounting alphabet champs. Otherwise the best I can do is Gerry Cooney (of the Holmes fight, obviously).

I do believe, in my heart of hearts that somewhere amongst the pantheon of heavyweight title challengers past there is a challenger with the requisite skill set and enough good old fashioned grit to overcome a huge size disadvantage and beat Vitali. I'm thinking maybe Harry Wills, but I just don't have enough knowledge to put a good argument, so I have to qualify that as a hunch.

Answer: Witherspoon*
Back-up answer: Cooney*
Hunch: Harry Wills

*as seen against Larry Holmes

George Foreman Mk1

Regards your challenger, you've properly covered all bases there.

Regards you're champ.
Big George got chosen early on and surprisingly got beaten by Eddie Machen