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Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 04:05
by Davidreed
What's your views about these controversies? You can also share your list.

1)Timothy Bradley Defeats Manny Pacquiao, 2012

2) Oscar De La Hoya Defeats Pernell Whitaker, 1997

3) Joe Louis Defeats Jersey Joe Walcott, 1947

4) Floyd Mayweather Defeats Jose Luis Castillo, 2002

5) Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez Draw, 1993

6) Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns Draw, 1989

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 11:10
by Rexob
The biggest rip off of that list, was when sugar ray, got gifted a draw?Hearns absolutely dominated leonard that night proving that leonard got lucky the first time.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 12:18
by yancey
Rexob wrote:The biggest rip off of that list, was when sugar ray, got gifted a draw?Hearns absolutely dominated leonard that night proving that leonard got lucky the first time.

Agree that Tommy got screwed big time in the second Leonard-Hearns fight.

Add Ellis-Patterson to the list.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 14:33
by SaadOffTheDeck
Mayweather/Castillo was close, though I scored it for JLC.

Never seen the entire Louis/Walcott fight but what I did jersey was winning.

The rest were all jobs. Whitaker got it even worse from ramirez.

Everett/Escalera & Burnett/Spinks are the first two that come to mind for me. Hagler/Antuofermo is another.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 14:37
by gilgamesh
Davidreed wrote:What's your views about these controversies? You can also share your list.

1)Timothy Bradley Defeats Manny Pacquiao, 2012

2) Oscar De La Hoya Defeats Pernell Whitaker, 1997

3) Joe Louis Defeats Jersey Joe Walcott, 1947

4) Floyd Mayweather Defeats Jose Luis Castillo, 2002

5) Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez Draw, 1993

6) Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns Draw, 1989
1. Pacquiao 117-111 (I had Bradley winning the last 3 rounds, Pac winning the rest)

2. Pernell Whitaker 115-112

3. Never saw this fight

4. Castillo 115-111 (I had Floyd winning the first 4 rounds I believe)

5. Never saw this fight

6. Hearns 114-112

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 14:39
by gilgamesh
Not especially high profile fights, but 2 of the worst robberies I've ever seen were...

Richar Abril vs Brandon Rios (I thought Abril won either 11 or 12 rounds...he still lost a Split Decision to Rios)

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (Cave dominated the fight, winning every single round. Escandon got the decision)

Robberies can't get any worse than that.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 14:56
by King Carlos
Rexob wrote:The biggest rip off of that list, was when sugar ray, got gifted a draw?Hearns absolutely dominated leonard that night proving that leonard got lucky the first time.
:lol:

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 15:02
by King Carlos
gilgamesh wrote:Not especially high profile fights, but 2 of the worst robberies I've ever seen were...

Richar Abril vs Brandon Rios (I thought Abril won either 11 or 12 rounds...he still lost a Split Decision to Rios)

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (Cave dominated the fight, winning every single round. Escandon got the decision)

Robberies can't get any worse than that.
Oh, they can. Skip to about 11:40.

https://youtu.be/0xa1uT8fcLs

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 15:10
by gilgamesh
King Carlos wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Not especially high profile fights, but 2 of the worst robberies I've ever seen were...

Richar Abril vs Brandon Rios (I thought Abril won either 11 or 12 rounds...he still lost a Split Decision to Rios)

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (Cave dominated the fight, winning every single round. Escandon got the decision)

Robberies can't get any worse than that.
Oh, they can. Skip to about 11:40.

https://youtu.be/0xa1uT8fcLs
Wow...un-f*cking-believable. Talk about hometown officiating.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 15:12
by SaadOffTheDeck
gilgamesh wrote:
King Carlos wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:Not especially high profile fights, but 2 of the worst robberies I've ever seen were...

Richar Abril vs Brandon Rios (I thought Abril won either 11 or 12 rounds...he still lost a Split Decision to Rios)

Tyson Cave vs Oscar Escandon (Cave dominated the fight, winning every single round. Escandon got the decision)

Robberies can't get any worse than that.
Oh, they can. Skip to about 11:40.

https://youtu.be/0xa1uT8fcLs
Wow...un-f*cking-believable. Talk about hometown officiating.
Everett was in his hometown when he won 12 or 13 rounds and lost the decision. To make matters worse, his girl killed him after she caught him with a tranny.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 15:27
by littlepug
Eubank v close
Eubank v Watson 1
Eubank v Benn 2
Fury v McDermott 1
Chisora v helenuis

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 14 Mar 2016, 21:26
by ClivePatrickLyons
Pacquiao won clearly un dec Bradley
De La Hoya draw Whitaker
Walcott won clearly un dec Louis
Mayweather won close dec 1/2 Point's Castillo
Whitaker won clearly un dec Chavez Sr
Hearns Clearly won clearly un dec Leonard

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 14 Mar 2016, 22:03
by Ambling Alp II
Never saw Pac-Bradley
DLH 114-112 over Whitaker
Never saw Walcott-Louis I
Castillo 117-111 over Mayweather
Whitaker 118-110 over Chavez
Leonard-Hearns 112-112

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 14 Mar 2016, 23:53
by Scypion
Robinson/Fullmer 3. For the NBA version of the middleweight title. I watched that fight and was sure that Robinson was going to get the decision for his 6th middleweight title. The fight was called a draw, so Fullmer kept the title. Ray Robinson was 39 years old at the time.

Robinson/Pender. Both fights. It looked to me like the only time Pender did any fighting was in clinches where he continually hit Robinson with rabbit punches. Both fights were in Pender's home town of Boston, so Paul Pender got both decisions.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 15 Mar 2016, 16:36
by Bodyshot3
Eubank v close
Eubank v Watson 1
Eubank v Benn 2
Fury v McDermott 1
Chisora v helenuis
Yup, Ray Close should be enjoying all the glory and benefits of being a former world champ right now...rather than being an ex-Eubank opponent.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 20 Mar 2016, 21:03
by Nightgaunt
Sven Ottkes entire career.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 24 Mar 2016, 20:26
by elmersalsa
Scypion wrote:Robinson/Fullmer 3. For the NBA version of the middleweight title. I watched that fight and was sure that Robinson was going to get the decision for his 6th middleweight title. The fight was called a draw, so Fullmer kept the title. Ray Robinson was 39 years old at the time.

Robinson/Pender. Both fights. It looked to me like the only time Pender did any fighting was in clinches where he continually hit Robinson with rabbit punches. Both fights were in Pender's home town of Boston, so Paul Pender got both decisions.
I remember watching Robinson vs Fullmer III on ESPNClassic and clearly, in my view, I saw Sugar Ray winning that fight.

I have never seen Robinson vs Pender fights.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 04:34
by Rexob
Hagler vs Leonard another gifted decision given to the sugar man :brick:

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 04:37
by Rexob
Jimmy Vincent vs David Barnes, Vincent got totally ripped off that night very poor decision!

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 04:38
by Rexob
Richie Woodhall vs Glenn Catley Home town decision for Woodhall.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 04:43
by Rexob
Recent fight, Sam Sheedy vs Navid Mansouri, god knows what the judges where watching? Sheedy got ripped off!

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 08:26
by man
Rexob wrote:leonard got lucky the first time.
no. it was a tactical master piece.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 11:31
by Syntax Error
Davidreed wrote:What's your views about these controversies? You can also share your list.

1)Timothy Bradley Defeats Manny Pacquiao, 2012

2) Oscar De La Hoya Defeats Pernell Whitaker, 1997

3) Joe Louis Defeats Jersey Joe Walcott, 1947

4) Floyd Mayweather Defeats Jose Luis Castillo, 2002

5) Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez Draw, 1993

6) Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns Draw, 1989
Number 5 is the biggest rip-off of the lot, possibly of all time.

Whitaker beat Chavez without any doubt whatsover.

Number 6 is a curious one, because although I think Tommy won the fight, it's closer than many believe it to be.

Leonard fought back well & it was fortunate for Tommy that he learned how to clinch, otherwise he would have been toppled again.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 20:52
by giacomino
Of the six listed, I didn't think De La Hoya over Whitaker was horrible, just the scoring was. Thought Castillo beat Money, but something like 115-113.

Campillo getting his lt. Heavy belt taken by two crooked judges and given to Shumenov in 2010 remains the worst scoring/theft I have seen in the past 20 years. You'd probably have to be on crack to give Shumenov more than two or three rounds, but one judge had him taking nine of 12. Apparently for standing up to a one-sided beating.

Re: Controversial Decisions in boxing

Posted: 25 Mar 2016, 22:02
by gilgamesh
Manuel Medina vs Johnny Tapia was a bad one

The Draw in the 2nd Rahman vs Tua fight was pretty bad. I thought fat Rahman took the fight