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If he did that on purpose (I don't know much about drugs stuff) he should be banned for life, somehow I never expected him to do something like this.

Freedom2013 wrote:Lucas Browne failed VADA drug test after fight vs. Ruslan Chagaev

... almost all top professional boxers are inclined to get profit from not allowed pharmaceutical aids, I suppose.

When I raised the same suspicion for track & fields in the 1990s - I was nearly murdered - but I was right.

It is about prize fighting ... money ... so you never should be astonished ...

Interesting.
So I'm not claiming to be an expert on drug testing but based on what that article says VADA tested for as compared to a WADA list it does not appear that VADA is as strict yet Browne is still getting busted

Article says Browne was tested for: anabolic agents, diuretics, beta-2 agonists and stimulants.

WADA in competition prohibitied list: http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in- ... ubstances/
WADA prohibited in particular sports list: http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in- ... ubstances/

I scrolled through those WADA lists and did not see Clenbuterol anywhere. If I missed it please correct me but I didn't see it.
Maybe Browne should have insisted on WADA testing

EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT

Upon further research it turns out that Clenbuterol falls into the beta-agonist category.
Browne would not have gotten past WADA either.
My bad.

This might be a setup. Browne's comment so far - "I don't understand today's news and I'm seeking legal advice,"

x2x wrote:This might be a setup. Browne's comment so far - "I don't understand today's news and I'm seeking legal advice,"

...that's the usual response...

greg wrote:

x2x wrote:This might be a setup. Browne's comment so far - "I don't understand today's news and I'm seeking legal advice,"

...that's the usual response...

When it comes to clen a lot of athletes claim they ate contaminated meat since it's commonly used in the farming industry.

punchoutsb wrote:

greg wrote:

x2x wrote:This might be a setup. Browne's comment so far - "I don't understand today's news and I'm seeking legal advice,"

...that's the usual response...

When it comes to clen a lot of athletes claim they ate contaminated meat since it's commonly used in the farming industry.

Worked for Morales.. multiple failed tests before one fight.. but it's the Barclays and a bunch of money was invested in that fight so the show goes on regardless. All about the money.

Chechnya is a rough place. They ran all the fights more than fairly that night EXCEPT for the Browne - Chagaev fight which was, of course, the headliner. There was that extra long round when Chagaev almost KO'd Browne, and then an extra short round when Browne was coming on strong.

x2x wrote:Chechnya is a rough place. They ran all the fights more than fairly that night EXCEPT for the Browne - Chagaev fight which was, of course, the headliner. There was that extra long round when Chagaev almost KO'd Browne, and then an extra short round when Browne was coming on strong.

Excellent point. I noticed those rounds as well. Rough place is an understatement. It was dangerous, reckless, and corrupt.

x2x wrote:Chechnya is a rough place. They ran all the fights more than fairly that night EXCEPT for the Browne - Chagaev fight which was, of course, the headliner. There was that extra long round when Chagaev almost KO'd Browne, and then an extra short round when Browne was coming on strong.

The fight before wasn't fair either, pretty much everyone had that Russian winning, including both English commentators, somehow the south African guy won. It is somehow perhaps interesting to check if they used something illegal as well. I can't remember their names, it was in a lower weightleague, but it wasn't like that fight was fair either.

computerrank wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Lucas Browne failed VADA drug test after fight vs. Ruslan Chagaev

... almost all top professional boxers are inclined to get profit from not allowed pharmaceutical aids, I suppose.

When I raised the same suspicion for track & fields in the 1990s - I was nearly murdered - but I was right.

It is about prize fighting ... money ... so you never should be astonished ...

When I was in 9th grade (back in the late 80's or early 90's), we read an article in health class that discussed that the majority of athletes on the US Track & Field team had been diagnosed with asthma. Therefore, they were given prescriptions for inhalers.

The numbers were stark compared to the general population.

The article hinted that maybe these athletes really didn't have asthma after all...

asdfjkl wrote: The fight before wasn't fair either, pretty much everyone had that Russian winning, including both English commentators, somehow the south African guy won. It is somehow perhaps interesting to check if they used something illegal as well. I can't remember their names, it was in a lower weightleague, but it wasn't like that fight was fair either.

That guy was Chechen, or maybe Russian, and he seemed to be close with the Chechen president, and as you said most thought he won but they gave the win to the African. At that point it looked like the Chechens were going out of their way to be more than fair.

zojo, wrote: When I was in 9th grade (back in the late 80's or early 90's), we read an article in health class that discussed that the majority of athletes on the US Track & Field team had been diagnosed with asthma. Therefore, they were given prescriptions for inhalers.

The numbers were stark compared to the general population.

The article hinted that maybe these athletes really didn't have asthma after all...

Competition is very fierce at the top levels of athletics and athletes are very competitive and consequently they tend to be interested in whatever might give them an edge.

I don't know whether there is any truth to the current drug charge against Mr Browne - but WHY would he use a substance that surely he and his trainers would know is detectable on the drug test that they know he will be given?

x2x wrote:

zojo, wrote: When I was in 9th grade (back in the late 80's or early 90's), we read an article in health class that discussed that the majority of athletes on the US Track & Field team had been diagnosed with asthma. Therefore, they were given prescriptions for inhalers.

The numbers were stark compared to the general population.

The article hinted that maybe these athletes really didn't have asthma after all...

Competition is very fierce at the top levels of athletics and athletes are very competitive and consequently they tend to be interested in whatever might give them an edge.

I don't know whether there is any truth to the current drug charge against Mr Browne - but WHY would he use a substance that surely he and his trainers would know is detectable on the drug test that they know he will be given?

I think he took it a long time before the fight since I understood it's used to lose fat. So perhaps they thought it would be untraceble after a while. Don't they do a lot of dopetests spreaded over the years? I'm surpriced they didn't know it before the fight started, imagine if Chagaev died in the ring?

imo it would be great if his "B" sample came back clean but I don't like the chances of that happening.

I think the heavyweight division has been very exciting recently with a lot of top heavyweights fighting each and getting in line for more excellent fights.
Browne would have had to get his mandatory out of the way but after that I believe he would have taken fights with other top heavyweights and would have been willing to travel to make such fights happen.
If this belt goes back to Chagaev the fans get another fight with Oquendo and probably more duds after that.

A lot of positives were happening in the heavyweight division(including the Chagaev/Browne) until this came out.

Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort. They have thrown the book at other athletes for using that drug. But I still don't understand the whys of this. How long can it stay in the system and be detectable by a drug test, asd? The trainers must be aware of this so why would they let him use it? If he really did use it and did it on his own without even considering drug testing he's a fool. I hope he's innocent, not that I think it's such a horrible crime, but they do...

x2x wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort.

Sounds to me that if anything he took it out of Vanity, which if so, is bloody stupid.

x2x wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort. They have thrown the book at other athletes for using that drug. But I still don't understand the whys of this. How long can it stay in the system and be detectable by a drug test, asd? The trainers must be aware of this so why would they let him use it? If he really did use it and did it on his own without even considering drug testing he's a fool. I hope he's innocent, not that I think it's such a horrible crime, but they do...

He weighed in 5 pounds less than his last 2 fights (albeit the lightest he has been in God knows when).

That just doesn't seem a huge difference.

Especially for a heavyweight.

x2x wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort. They have thrown the book at other athletes for using that drug. But I still don't understand the whys of this. How long can it stay in the system and be detectable by a drug test, asd? The trainers must be aware of this so why would they let him use it? If he really did use it and did it on his own without even considering drug testing he's a fool. I hope he's innocent, not that I think it's such a horrible crime, but they do...

Clen has a very short half life. It's usually not detectable after a week.

what a sop. theres a way to go and ruin the result of a good fight

koolkc107 wrote:

x2x wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort. They have thrown the book at other athletes for using that drug. But I still don't understand the whys of this. How long can it stay in the system and be detectable by a drug test, asd? The trainers must be aware of this so why would they let him use it? If he really did use it and did it on his own without even considering drug testing he's a fool. I hope he's innocent, not that I think it's such a horrible crime, but they do...

He weighed in 5 pounds less than his last 2 fights (albeit the lightest he has been in God knows when).

That just doesn't seem a huge difference.

Especially for a heavyweight.

It's not just the 5 pounds, it's how he looked. He clearly had a lot less body fat and more muscle mass. Clen is also used for bridging, so it might not have been the only thing he was on. Bottom line, his body just looked very different from before and testing positive for clen sure does explain the change.

punchoutsb wrote:

x2x wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Clenbuterol is an odd thing for a heavyweight to test positive for, isn't it?

Well, they use it for trimming down. Browne always had a weight problem and he did look exceptionally slim and trim in Chechnya. I hope he doesn't lose his title. He seems to be a decent sort. They have thrown the book at other athletes for using that drug. But I still don't understand the whys of this. How long can it stay in the system and be detectable by a drug test, asd? The trainers must be aware of this so why would they let him use it? If he really did use it and did it on his own without even considering drug testing he's a fool. I hope he's innocent, not that I think it's such a horrible crime, but they do...

Clen has a very short half life. It's usually not detectable after a week.

That says it all for me! Why would you take it a week before when there's testing that they supposedly organised! Makes no sense to me

I jist readed myself into it a bit and on animals they say they get most muscled at the 8th day and at the 14th day it doesn't help any more. Bodybuilders use it two weeks off, two weeks on. The substance became illegal in Europe about 10 years ago, America 15 years ago.
Not sure about Australia, some times farmers give it to sick animals